And if anyone ever had doubts about mainstream media

[I4CtheFuture]

Rape of wife, illegitimate child, and extramarital affairs…are called MORALS and SCANDALS…which you brought up. These are documented facts. I am sure we won’t have any problems for the next 4 years with President Musk running the country. No need to continue debating a fellow USC fan. (Happy holidays and Go Gamecocks!)

Rape of wife - literally nowhere to be found on the internet. - More of your lies.
illegitimate child - literally nowhere to be found on the internet - More of your lies.
Extramarital affairs - literally nowhere to be found on the internet - More of your lies.

They are *NOT* "documented facts" - they are your lies

Musk is not POTUS - more of your lies

This is not a debate - it's a thorough repudiation of your lies, innuendos, and wild accusations.

Do you see??? This is what you and the left do...... you make up a bunch of unfounded allegations, and then present it as "documented fact"

It's "documented BS" - nothing more.

 

[Tngamecock]

George was right...its come to party over country these days, it does not matter if the issue/resolution is good for the majority of Americans, whichever side did not come up with it, will fight it to keep the other from having a political win. Just look at the recent immigration bipartisan bill, that was killed by Johnson because Trump did not want the issue solved so he could continue to use it for politics. Look at the NC general assembly, they recently tied reducing the incoming Governor's power to Hurricane Helene funding. Seriously, pass a hurricane bill free from BS. Current Gov vetoed it but because they still have a super majority, they override it. They have a super majority because a congresswoman from Charlotte ran as a Dem two years ago, then switched over to GOP immediately after the election. SMH....planned the whole time. Just heard, believe it was Florida, the GOP did the same thing. Gerrymandering the districts is bad enough, we are not picking our reps anymore folks, they pick a group of us they know will vote their way each election, no matter what they do or do not do. We are just pawns, being played by the rich and powerful.

You just made my point… You obviously didn’t look at the “bipartisan bill“….. if people actually researched what was inside these bills instead they let the main street media simply say this was a good border bill to close the border, and then believe it, maybe we would have people who actually knew what they were talking about.

republicans do the same crap. Mike Johnson was all but ready to bring this stupid spending bill to the floor today just so they could all go home like they always do. They wait till the last day and then CNN will throw out things like this bill will keep the government open and included pandemic spending as well as funds for natural disasters. They don’t tell you all the other crap they got thrown in as well.

All that you have to know, is that anyone who puts out a 1500 page bill, and gives it to the people who are going to vote on it the night before, is that they are trying to pull a fast one. Then they give it a fancy pretty name And the public hates one side or the other for voting for it or not voting for it. The bill that was proposed yesterday should make every American angry. But I love it when I hear the word bipartisan,
Which is code for all the Democrats agreed to it and a few dumb *** Republicans jumped in.

 

[Tngamecock]

No…that was Tucker Carlson…in a law suit. He said under oath he did not always give factual news.

Context was, that his show contained much opinion and was not to be considered like the NBC nightly news. I guess you think The View is a news show.

 

[Tngamecock]

Rape of wife, illegitimate child, and extramarital affairs…are called MORALS and SCANDALS…which you brought up. These are documented facts. I am sure we won’t have any problems for the next 4 years with President Musk running the country. No need to continue debating a fellow USC fan. (Happy holidays and Go Gamecocks!)

As opposed to selling influence to foreign governments. Be careful with the words you call facts. For a minute I thought you were describing Bill Clinton.

 

[deanofusc]

What a nation of easily offended, whining victims we have become…

 

[ctgarric]

You just made my point… You obviously didn’t look at the “bipartisan bill“….. if people actually researched what was inside these bills instead they let the main street media simply say this was a good border bill to close the border, and then believe it, maybe we would have people who actually knew what they were talking about.

republicans do the same crap. Mike Johnson was all but ready to bring this stupid spending bill to the floor today just so they could all go home like they always do. They wait till the last day and then CNN will throw out things like this bill will keep the government open and included pandemic spending as well as funds for natural disasters. They don’t tell you all the other crap they got thrown in as well.

All that you have to know, is that anyone who puts out a 1500 page bill, and gives it to the people who are going to vote on it the night before, is that they are trying to pull a fast one. Then they give it a fancy pretty name And the public hates one side or the other for voting for it or not voting for it. The bill that was proposed yesterday should make every American angry. But I love it when I hear the word bipartisan,
Which is code for all the Democrats agreed to it and a few dumb *** Republicans jumped in.

I don’t know why you’re arguing with him. Can’t fix gullible.

 

[Captn Skully]

You just made my point… You obviously didn’t look at the “bipartisan bill“….. if people actually researched what was inside these bills instead they let the main street media simply say this was a good border bill to close the border, and then believe it, maybe we would have people who actually knew what they were talking about.

republicans do the same crap. Mike Johnson was all but ready to bring this stupid spending bill to the floor today just so they could all go home like they always do. They wait till the last day and then CNN will throw out things like this bill will keep the government open and included pandemic spending as well as funds for natural disasters. They don’t tell you all the other crap they got thrown in as well.

All that you have to know, is that anyone who puts out a 1500 page bill, and gives it to the people who are going to vote on it the night before, is that they are trying to pull a fast one. Then they give it a fancy pretty name And the public hates one side or the other for voting for it or not voting for it. The bill that was proposed yesterday should make every American angry. But I love it when I hear the word bipartisan,
Which is code for all the Democrats agreed to it and a few dumb *** Republicans jumped in.

I actually agree with you TN, its called pork barrel in these bills and IMHO all that BS should not be included. Why not simply pass straight bills on specific topics vs including all kind of BS.....also agree, they rarely read the bills, they rely on the people working for them to tell them whats in it. What we should all be pissed about is the gerrymandering that keeps they people in office no matter what they do. In NC the GOP tied Helen funding to a bill that also decreased the incoming Gov powers, just because he is a Dem, they would not have done this if the GOP won the Gov office.

 

[CWW]

I actually agree with you TN, its called pork barrel in these bills and IMHO all that BS should not be included. Why not simply pass straight bills on specific topics vs including all kind of BS.....also agree, they rarely read the bills, they rely on the people working for them to tell them whats in it. What we should all be pissed about is the gerrymandering that keeps they people in office no matter what they do. In NC the GOP tied Helen funding to a bill that also decreased the incoming Gov powers, just because he is a Dem, they would not have done this if the GOP won the Gov office.

Sadly, there does not appear anyway to change it. Both parties tack on things to bills. It should not be allowed! There should be age limits…none of them will vote for it. The popular vote should decide elections. That change won’t be made.

 

[Nm7710]

Sadly, there does not appear anyway to change it. Both parties tack on things to bills. It should not be allowed! There should be age limits…none of them will vote for it. The popular vote should decide elections. That change won’t be made.

The popular vote should not decide elections, thankfully our forefathers saw that , if that were the case then cities with huge population's could decide a election , and it’s easy to see how many nuts live in these big cities .

 

[KingWard]

The popular vote should not decide elections, thankfully our forefathers saw that , if that were the case then cities with huge population's could decide a election , and it’s easy to see how many nuts live in these big cities .

The only thing they missed on was instituting term limits because the Founding Fathers came before the advent of crooked politicians in the United States, people who turned office-holding into lucrative careers.

 

[CWW]

The popular vote should not decide elections, thankfully our forefathers saw that , if that were the case then cities with huge population's could decide a election , and it’s easy to see how many nuts live in these big cities .

Nm…I know why it was put in…but now only certain states are even seemed important. No matter who wins…I think everyone’s vote should count and I don’t think that is the case. I think it would be fairer if the candidate got a percentage of their vote in each state. Look how close Trump was in Ga in 2020…but got no credit for his Ga votes. Gore in his election…got no credit for the votes he got in Florida. I am aware…it will never be changed. I just feel if you get the most votes…you should win…in anything.

 

[CWW]

The only thing they missed on was instituting term limits because the Founding Fathers came before the advent of crooked politicians in the United States, people who turned office-holding into lucrative careers.

And people were not living as long back then.

 

[Rus4USC]

Just heard ABC is donating 15 million dollars to Trump library because they have to. lol

A lot less than the 780 million Fox News paid because they had to as well.

 

[KingWard]

And people were not living as long back then.

Well, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin all topped 80, actually Adams topped 90. Washington passed at 67 but James Madison made it to 87.

Many of those guys lived to ripe old ages, but they did their bit and went home to resume their enterprises. That was the mindset.

Had they known they were going to be handing over the country to lobbyists and a political class instead of statesmen like themselves, they would have made provision to stop it

 

[atl-cock]

Sadly, there does not appear anyway to change it. Both parties tack on things to bills. It should not be allowed! There should be age limits…none of them will vote for it. The popular vote should decide elections. That change won’t be made.

Popular vote takes away states' powers and likely gives more to the Feds, which is why I am in favour of continuing with the Electoral College. This is not Democractic, Repuiblican, Libertarian, Green, etc.

The only thing they missed on was instituting term limits because the Founding Fathers came before the advent of crooked politicians in the United States, people who turned office-holding into lucrative careers.

They assumed that men would serve their 2 or 6 year terms and let someone else serve the state/community.

 

[atl-cock]

Nm…I know why it was put in…but now only certain states are even seemed important. No matter who wins…I think everyone’s vote should count and I don’t think that is the case. I think it would be fairer if the candidate got a percentage of their vote in each state. Look how close Trump was in Ga in 2020…but got no credit for his Ga votes. Gore in his election…got no credit for the votes he got in Florida. I am aware…it will never be changed. I just feel if you get the most votes…you should win…in anything.

Maine and Nebraska assign electroal votes based on the popular vote percentage. In every other state and the commonwealths, it's "winner take all."

 

[KingWard]

Maine and Nebraska assign electroal votes based on the popular vote percentage. In every other state and the commonwealths, it's "winner take all."

Maine and Nebraska actually reduce their influence by doing that.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Popular vote takes away states' powers and likely gives more to the Feds, which is why I am in favour of continuing with the Electoral College. This is not Democractic, Repuiblican, Libertarian, Green, etc.

They assumed that men would serve their 2 or 6 year terms and let someone else serve the state/community.

Go home and live under the laws that you passed. These jokers exempt themselves from the laws they pass.

 

[Tngamecock]

If you wanted to see Trump…turn on the news. This was a football game. Many of the nightly news programs showed him.

If only Taylor or Beyonce was there. So much for your football game theory. I think Matthew McConaughey was at the Texas playoff game. At least it looked like him the 26 times they showed him. Stop with the bs it’s a football game stuff. Football is entertainment and they show every celebrity they can every game they can for looks. This was intentional and a synopsis of the state of the media.

They played the politics on this one. Trump goes to many of these.

 

[Ansonicus]

It was a football game. Sorry for your hurt feelings over lack of political goobers on camera.

I am totally amazed at how Trump has hoodwinked over a hundred million people.
He is totally owned by billionaire oligarchs and his whole agenda is to enrich himself and the people who bought him. The Senate, the House and the Supreme Court have all bowed down to him. The media (other than Fox News and the other propaganda outlets) is the only guard rail left. I’m afraid our country has totally failed educating our citizens. If you think the next four years are going to be good for the average person, you are sadly mistaken.

It is called a free and fair election. The people have spoken. Why do you have such a hard time with democracy?

The ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSLSD "mainstream media" propagandandist stations now have the advantage for a short while in that they are aired on legacy cable channels and easier to find on the cable channel lineup. They are now collectively called the "Legacy Media". Everything they report has an agenda. They lie by omission and simply do not report stories that do not support their agenda. Their job is not to report the actual news, but to build a consensus on what Americans should be taught to believe. Even Fox News which is more truthful, has a corporation friendly agenda.

However, the younger people don't like getting gouged to pay for cable, and therefore can watch Glen Beck, Steve K. Bannon "WarRoom", Live from Studio 6B, etc. and other uncensored news programs, free for the price of an internet connection. These and other uncensored programs are available on Rumble and Pluto TV etc. The younger folks also are good with social media, which has some uncensored channels. It is only a matter of time until the propaganda outlets, tv stations, lose their licenses because as network news outlets they are in violation of undeclared campaign finance law violations.

This is why they have earned the title of the "Legacy Media". Their days are numbered.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

It is called a free and fair election. The people have spoken. Why do you have such a hard time with democracy?

The ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSLSD "mainstream media" propagandandist stations now have the advantage for a short while in that they are aired on legacy cable channels and easier to find on the cable channel lineup. They are now collectively called the "Legacy Media". Everything they report has an agenda. They lie by omission and simply do not report stories that do not support their agenda. Their job is not to report the actual news, but to build a consensus on what Americans should be taught to believe. Even Fox News which is more truthful, has a corporation friendly agenda.

However, the younger people don't like getting gouged to pay for cable, and therefore can watch Glen Beck, Steve K. Bannon "WarRoom", Live from Studio 6B, etc. and other uncensored news programs, free for the price of an internet connection. These and other uncensored programs are available on Rumble and Pluto TV etc. The younger folks also are good with social media, which has some uncensored channels. It is only a matter of time until the propaganda outlets, tv stations, lose their licenses because as network news outlets they are in violation of undeclared campaign finance law violations.

This is why they have earned the title of the "Legacy Media". Their days are numbered.

What a legacy of destruction they are leaving behind as they burned a once proud, trusted and honored profession to the ground.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

What a legacy of destruction they are leaving behind as they burned a once proud, trusted and honored profession to the ground.

Hate to point out the obvious but, it's only going to get worse from here. I'm not talking about the media either.

 

[KingWard]

I am totally amazed at how Trump has hoodwinked over a hundred million people.
He is totally owned by billionaire oligarchs and his whole agenda is to enrich himself and the people who bought him. The Senate, the House and the Supreme Court have all bowed down to him. The media (other than Fox News and the other propaganda outlets) is the only guard rail left. I’m afraid our country has totally failed educating [indoctrinating] our citizens. If you think the next four years are going to be good for the average person, you are sadly mistaken.

The media left no stone unturned for over eight years working to destroy Donald Trump. It was unrelenting, unprofessional, and unprincipled in its pursuit. In the end, it was roundly repudiated. Perhaps you have placed your hope in the wrong perfidious institution. Try something else. But I forgot. He has stood for election to the presidency for the last time, hasn't he? You and they needed to get him THIS time.

 

[b-flag]

The media left no stone unturned for over eight years working to destroy Donald Trump. It was unrelenting, unprofessional, and unprincipled in its pursuit. In the end, it was roundly repudiated. Perhaps you have placed your hope in the wrong perfidious institution. Try something else. But I forgot. He has stood for election to the presidency for the last time, hasn't he? You and they needed to get him THIS time.

he is a criminal and rapist. whatever legal issuez he had were due to his criminal activity
as a faras him running again, what would stop him? the norms rules and precedence?
he has respect for himself
now time to buy a gilt trump as santa figurine available for $14.88 no shipping charge

 

[KingWard]

he is a criminal and rapist. whatever legal issuez he had were due to his criminal activity
as a faras him running again, what would stop him? the norms rules and precedence?
he has respect for himself
now time to buy a gilt trump as santa figurine available for $14.88 no shipping charge

The country is replete with political figures and celebrities who couldn't face the scrutiny he did and come out clean because it was purposeful, calculated, and biased, as was the prosecutorial end of it, and that doesn't even take into account the financial motives of certain people. There were multiple agendas involved.

I will, however, give you credit for evading the scrutiny of your English teachers. Nice work.

 

[atl-cock]

Go home and live under the laws that you passed. These jokers exempt themselves from the laws they pass.

This was passed circa 1787.

 

[atl-cock]

It is called a free and fair election. The people have spoken. Why do you have such a hard time with democracy?

The ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSLSD "mainstream media" propagandandist stations now have the advantage for a short while in that they are aired on legacy cable channels and easier to find on the cable channel lineup. They are now collectively called the "Legacy Media". Everything they report has an agenda. They lie by omission and simply do not report stories that do not support their agenda. Their job is not to report the actual news, but to build a consensus on what Americans should be taught to believe. Even Fox News which is more truthful, has a corporation friendly agenda.

However, the younger people don't like getting gouged to pay for cable, and therefore can watch Glen Beck, Steve K. Bannon "WarRoom", Live from Studio 6B, etc. and other uncensored news programs, free for the price of an internet connection. These and other uncensored programs are available on Rumble and Pluto TV etc. The younger folks also are good with social media, which has some uncensored channels. It is only a matter of time until the propaganda outlets, tv stations, lose their licenses because as network news outlets they are in violation of undeclared campaign finance law violations.

This is why they have earned the title of the "Legacy Media". Their days are numbered.

Just about everything anybody reports has an agenda. Those you mentioned as well as Fox.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

This was passed circa 1787.

What was passed? I was making a comment about today's politicians.

 

[atl-cock]

What was passed? I was making a comment about today's politicians.

The US Constitution. The founding fathers likely never imagined that we'd have career professional politicians.

 

[KingWard]

The US Constitution. The founding fathers likely never imagined that we'd have career professional politicians.

Absolutely they had no reason to imagine that.

 

[Ansonicus]

Just about everything anybody reports has an agenda. Those you mentioned as well as Fox.

Just about everything anybody reports has an agenda. Those you mentioned as well as Fox.

I don't mind reporters having an agenda. However, they pretend like they are objective reporters. Then, they omit coverage of their party's scandals while manufacturing scandals about the opposition party which later turn out to be hoaxes. On top of that they have smarmy attitudes.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

I don't mind reporters having an agenda. However, they are pretend like they are objective reporters. Then, they omit coverage of their party's scandals while manufacturing scandals about the opposition party which later turn out to be hoaxes. On top of that they have smarmy attitudes.

Yep, but the problem is deeper than that...

You state "they" "manufacture scandals" about the opposition which later turn out to be hoaxes. That is correct but not the deeper problem.
The deeper problem is twofold. 1) The people "they" are trying to convince actually knows it's largely BS and yet: 2) Those people go on to adopt this delusional nonsense as absolute fact...... and you can literally show them point by point of how it's BS, how it's a lie, how it's a hoax, and they will absolutely deny it to their graves......even though deep down they know it's BS.... but they can never, ever admit it.

That is a level of delusion that is completely dangerous and the bottom line reason why I will choose to have absolutely nothing to do with them. > Delusional people are dangerous. Any history book bears that out to be true.....

 

[Ansonicus]

Yep, but the problem is deeper than that...

You state "they" "manufacture scandals" about the opposition which later turn out to be hoaxes. That is correct but not the deeper problem.
The deeper problem is twofold. 1) The people "they" are trying to convince actually knows it's largely BS and yet: 2) Those people go on to adopt this delusional nonsense as absolute fact...... and you can literally show them point by point of how it's BS, how it's a lie, how it's a hoax, and they will absolutely deny it to their graves......even though deep down they know it's BS.... but they can never, ever admit it.

That is a level of delusion that is completely dangerous and the bottom line reason why I will choose to have absolutely nothing to do with them. > Delusional people are dangerous. Any history book bears that out to be true.....

Delusional people are indeed dangerous. Historically, people in the grips of a mass delusion are in a very dangerous situation. Right now we have a media that was just a few months ago was telling us our President is at the top of his game, and that he is perfectly fine, when anyone who paid attention could clearly see the media was gaslighting the American people. His mental competence has been declining his whole term of office. We do not even know who is running our country, but it surely isn't the President.

 

[CWW]

Delusional people are indeed dangerous. Historically, people in the grips of a mass delusion are in a very dangerous situation. Right now we have a media that was just a few months ago was telling us our President is at the top of his game, and that he is perfectly fine, when anyone who paid attention could clearly see the media was gaslighting the American people. His mental competence has been declining his whole term of office. We do not even know who is running our country, but it surely isn't the President.

The media will certainly be keeping us informed with DJT’s mental decline...for the next 4 years.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I thought that precedent has been established.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Delusional people are indeed dangerous. Historically, people in the grips of a mass delusion are in a very dangerous situation. Right now we have a media that was just a few months ago was telling us our President is at the top of his game, and that he is perfectly fine, when anyone who paid attention could clearly see the media was gaslighting the American people. His mental competence has been declining his whole term of office. We do not even know who is running our country, but it surely isn't the President.

Sure we do.... it's a collective of "top people" - largely hidden from the public, of various 3 letter agencies

Same people who have been running it since they took out Kennedy in Dallas....

 

[Beanerball]

I’ve been holding off because I hate this discussion. My friends, liberals or conservatives, and I have plenty of both, are like my brothers. We brew beer and party together and mostly leave politics at the door. Politics is broken, agreed, I don’t like Trump but he is definitely doing things differently, some good, some things maybe not so good, but we’ll see. I don’t live my life anymore being tied to a political party. I left the republicans when the Tea Party influence took over and I left the democrats when radical social issues took over

 

[Ansonicus]

Sure we do.... it's a collective of "top people" - largely hidden from the public, of various 3 letter agencies

Same people who have been running it since they took out Kennedy in Dallas....

chauncey holt youtube at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

I used to belive the Warren Commission report and think the CIA operators were good guys, until I read the Chauncey Marvin Holt book. Holt was a participant in the coup to assassinate Kennedy. The book is "Self Portrait of a Scoundrel".

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Holt was a participant in the coup to assassinate Kennedy.

That's a lot better than being the patsy.

 

[Ansonicus]

That's a lot better than being the patsy.

Holt lived to be a very old guy. He was a brilliant man, moonshine runner from East Kentucky, circus highwire performer, CPA, mob accountant, high level artist. He also was a man without a conscience. His job at the Kennedy murder, was to insert documents into the get away truck for the assassin at the grassy knoll, and bring guns to other individuals. The event was compartmentalized and Holt did not know he would be helping the murderer escape. He thought it was to be only a demonstration. Holt was arrested but not charged after the assassination. He only spent two years in prison for mail fraud, many year later.

Holt got to write his autobiography to place himself in a favorable light contrasted by the mobsters he was employed by, and the CIA . He lost me when he recounted the time his trunk was almost searched, and he was plotting to kill the officers who had stopped his vehicle for a traffic violation. Had the officers seen and siezed the illegal modified guns in the trunk, he probably would have spent his last 20 years in federal prison.

While Holt did favorably report his criminal activities, but we should all be grateful for his final video (2 hours), and the book in which he totally debunks the Warren Commission report. The last 30 minutes of the video details the who's who of the know criminals who were present at the grassy knoll.

Of course, Holt waited to reveal the mobster activities until after the mobsters were dead.