And if anyone ever had doubts about mainstream media

[I4CtheFuture]

Holt lived to be a very old guy. He was a brilliant man, moonshine runner from East Kentucky, circus highwire performer, CPA, mob accountant, high level artist. He also was a man without a conscience. His job at the Kennedy murder, was to insert documents into the get away truck for the assassin at the grassy knoll, and bring guns to other individuals. The event was compartmentalized and Holt did not know he would be helping the murderer escape. He thought it was to be only a demonstration. Holt was arrested but not charged after the assassination. He only spent two years in prison for mail fraud, many year later.

Holt got to write his autobiography to place himself in a favorable light contrasted by the mobsters he was employed by, and the CIA . He lost me when he recounted the time his trunk was almost searched, and he was plotting to kill the officers who had stopped his vehicle for a traffic violation. Had the officers seen and siezed the illegal modified guns in the trunk, he probably would have spent his last 20 years in federal prison.

Of course he wrote favorable things about his criminal activities, but we should all be grateful for his final video (2 hours), and the book in which he totally debunks the Warren Commission report. The last 30 minutes of the video details the who's who of the know criminals who were present at the grassy knoll.

Of course, Holt waited to reveal the mobster activities until after the mobsters were dead.

Just FYI, a book I'm currently reading might interest you : "Chaos - Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret history of the Sixties" - Tom O'neal.

Example from the book: Charlie and the "family" often got various medical stuff taken care of at a clinic in the Haight-Ashbury district...
The clinic was a front for the CIA and the "Dr" in charge of it all was the very same "Dr" that went to visit Jack Ruby in jail.... the very same "Dr" who came out of that visit with Ruby and announced to the press that Ruby had suffered a "psychotic break"

Coincidence? Sure. You bet. There's other jaw dropping things in that book too. The whole "Helter Skelter" thing was complete BS and Vince Bugliosi was / is crooked as a $3 bill.

EDIT - Did you know, a night or two BEFORE the murders of the Sharon Tate party, That exact same group of people were having dinner at Jay Sebrings home a few blocks away - Jay had "cable TV" at his home and they were all going to watch a movie together when suddenly the "cable" went out and they were unable to watch the movie.....

Jay had called the "cable guy" to advise him the cable had gone out..... a few days AFTER the murders , the cable guy was inspecting all the cables and found that someone had "cut" the cable wire - Exactly like Tex Watson did at the Tate house - he cut the telephone wire.

The point is, those people were targeted - it was not random..... And before anyone calls BS on the "cable tv" thing, YES, cable TV was available in those days but only to the very wealthy and only in a very small area.

 

[Ansonicus]

Just FYI, a book I'm currently reading might interest you : "Chaos - Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret history of the Sixties" - Tom O'neal.

Example from the book: Charlie and the "family" often got various medical stuff taken care of at a clinic in the Haight-Ashbury district...
The clinic was a front for the CIA and the "Dr" in charge of it all was the very same "Dr" that went to visit Jack Ruby in jail.... the very same "Dr" who came out of that visit with Ruby and announced to the press that Ruby had suffered a "psychotic break"

Coincidence? Sure. You bet. There's other jaw dropping things in that book too. The whole "Helter Skelter" thing was complete BS and Vince Bugliosi was / is crooked as a $3 bill.

EDIT - Did you know, a night or two BEFORE the murders of the Sharon Tate party, That exact same group of people were having dinner at Jay Sebrings home a few blocks away - Jay had "cable TV" at his home and they were all going to watch a movie together when suddenly the "cable" went out and they were unable to watch the movie.....

Jay had called the "cable guy" to advise him the cable had gone out..... a few days AFTER the murders , the cable guy was inspecting all the cables and found that someone had "cut" the cable wire - Exactly like Tex Watson did at the Tate house - he cut the telephone wire.

The point is, those people were targeted - it was not random..... And before anyone calls BS on the "cable tv" thing, YES, cable TV was available in those days but only to the very wealthy and only in a very small area.

I will put the Chaos book next on my list.

One last thing, Chauncey talks about J. Edgar Hoover, and was not a fan. He credits Hoover for creating the mystique of the FBI as invincinble super patriots, but the reality is far different. Hoover was a public relations genius, and great at taking credit for the work of others even when the FBI underperformed, such as in preventing Nazi sabotage. Hoover stayed in power by all the incriminating files (we knew that) on his critics.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

I will put the Chaos book next on my list.

One last thing, Chauncey talks about J. Edgar Hoover, and was not a fan. He credits Hoover for creating the mystique of the FBI as invincinble super patriots, but the reality is far different. Hoover was a public relations genius, and great at taking credit for the work of others even when the FBI underperformed, such as in preventing Nazi sabotage. Hoover stayed in power by all the incriminating files (we knew that) on his critics.

Yes....J. Edgar was as corrupt as they come.....

Yet somehow, the American people are supposed to STILL trust the FBI as if they are as pure as snow..... it's absurd.

 

[atl-cock]

Just FYI, a book I'm currently reading might interest you : "Chaos - Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret history of the Sixties" - Tom O'neal.

Example from the book: Charlie and the "family" often got various medical stuff taken care of at a clinic in the Haight-Ashbury district...
The clinic was a front for the CIA and the "Dr" in charge of it all was the very same "Dr" that went to visit Jack Ruby in jail.... the very same "Dr" who came out of that visit with Ruby and announced to the press that Ruby had suffered a "psychotic break"

Coincidence? Sure. You bet. There's other jaw dropping things in that book too. The whole "Helter Skelter" thing was complete BS and Vince Bugliosi was / is crooked as a $3 bill.

EDIT - Did you know, a night or two BEFORE the murders of the Sharon Tate party, That exact same group of people were having dinner at Jay Sebrings home a few blocks away - Jay had "cable TV" at his home and they were all going to watch a movie together when suddenly the "cable" went out and they were unable to watch the movie.....

Jay had called the "cable guy" to advise him the cable had gone out..... a few days AFTER the murders , the cable guy was inspecting all the cables and found that someone had "cut" the cable wire - Exactly like Tex Watson did at the Tate house - he cut the telephone wire.

The point is, those people were targeted - it was not random..... And before anyone calls BS on the "cable tv" thing, YES, cable TV was available in those days but only to the very wealthy and only in a very small area.

Side bar, Cable TV was also available in valleys surrounded by mountains where it was virtually impossibl;e for broadcast signals to reach.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Side bar, Cable TV was also available in valleys surrounded by mountains where it was virtually impossibl;e for broadcast signals to reach.

We had cable in Decatur Alabama in 1964. America's first wave pool in 1968.

 

[will110]

The only thing they missed on was instituting term limits because the Founding Fathers came before the advent of crooked politicians in the United States, people who turned office-holding into lucrative careers.

You still had "career" politicians in the founding father years. Thomas Jefferson, for example, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1769. He held some sort of elected or political office from 1769 until leaving the presidency in 1809 except for a brief period between 1793 and 1796 after he resigned as Secretary of State. George Washington was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1758, a position he held until 1775 when he became the commander in chief of the Continental Army. It's going to be hard to find examples of "temporary" politicians at any point in American history.

Plenty of crooked politicians, as well. Aaron Burr is a good example. John Adams, the second president, signed the Sedition Act of 1798 which criminalized malicious statements against the government. The law was used to prosecute political enemies, primarily Democratic-Republican journalists.

Now you do have a point with the lack of political careers for the sake of massive wealth gain. Politicians didn't go to Washington in 1810 to make a few million bucks in the stock market like they do now.

 

[atl-cock]

We had cable in Decatur Alabama in 1964. America's first wave pool in 1968.

Cable TV got its start in the late 1940s in the mountainous areas of eastern Pennsylvania. Those living in valleys pooled their resouces (perhaps administered by the town), put a receiving antenna atop a mountain, then strung cable into the village. $3.00 or so a month to pick up the three or so broadcast stations from Philadelphia.

 

[atl-cock]

You still had "career" politicians in the founding father years. Thomas Jefferson, for example, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1769. He held some sort of elected or political office from 1769 until leaving the presidency in 1809 except for a brief period between 1793 and 1796 after he resigned as Secretary of State. George Washington was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1758, a position he held until 1775 when he became the commander in chief of the Continental Army. It's going to be hard to find examples of "temporary" politicians at any point in American history.

Plenty of crooked politicians, as well. Aaron Burr is a good example. John Adams, the second president, signed the Sedition Act of 1798 which criminalized malicious statements against the government. The law was used to prosecute political enemies, primarily Democratic-Republican journalists.

Now you do have a point with the lack of political careers for the sake of massive wealth gain. Politicians didn't go to Washington in 1810 to make a few million bucks in the stock market like they do now.

One good thing Adams did was prevent (ultimately postpone) a war with France. This cost him the election in 1800.

 

[GCJerryUSC]

You are correct! Fortunately I guess enough of the public saw through their frequent deception and lies. Remember when we all saw Biden slipping but no, those were "deep fakes." Endless corruption endorsed by the media - would take all night to discuss. At least little Georgie and ABC have to give $15 to the future Trump Library by calling Trump a convicted rapist - he isn`t - and refusing to retract that. Hope they sue all of the defamation proponents. The good news is that MSNBC, CNN, MSM("The View" anyone ?) are so ridiculous "they probably actually helped Trump and the Republicans get elected."

"they probably actually helped Trump and the Republicans get elected."

Absolutely. Dems would have done better if they had treated Trump with the respect he deserves. Don't see any dems with enough charisma to win the POTUS for awhile. Hope they never win again after the last fiasco. WTH happened to the party of JFK?
I recorded the game just to see our POTUS. Did not really care about game but did watch it. You can see how powerful Trump is by the fear of the media and dems. He beat EVERYONE who was aligned against him, even those who used bullets which really helped him win.

 

[Captn Skully]

Respect is earned, who does Trump treat respectfully? Poor Mike Pence backed him up on everything only to have Trump turn on him when he refused to go along with his plan to try and stay in office.......SMH

 

[KingWard]

I don't mind reporters having an agenda. However, they pretend like they are objective reporters. Then, they omit coverage of their party's scandals while manufacturing scandals about the opposition party which later turn out to be hoaxes. On top of that they have smarmy attitudes.

I don't give mere reporters permission to inform my opinions. I didn't grow up with that. Editorial opinion was designated as such. Journalists knew their proper roles. For that reason, I watch none of the national newscasts or channels.

 

[The Reel Ess]

I don't give mere reporters permission to inform my opinions. I didn't grow up with that. Editorial opinion was designated as such. Journalists knew their proper roles. For that reason, I watch none of the national newscasts or channels.

Likewise.

 

[The Reel Ess]

Respect is earned, who does Trump treat respectfully? Poor Mike Pence backed him up on everything only to have Trump turn on him when he refused to go along with his plan to try and stay in office.......SMH

I agree. But dragging him into court for years before the election simply to smear him for the election only served to get Trump elected. Meanwhile, the president has to pardon his son for crimes he may have committed for more than a decade. I guess my point here is at least Trump is disrespectful in plain view. You can sell your influence to the highest bidder most likely against the best interest of this country, but be a media darling and no one drags you into court.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Cable TV got its start in the late 1940s in the mountainous areas of eastern Pennsylvania. Those living in valleys pooled their resouces (perhaps administered by the town), put a receiving antenna atop a mountain, then strung cable into the village. $3.00 or so a month to pick up the three or so broadcast stations from Philadelphia.

We had no mountains to put a giant antenna on. We were getting stations from Birmingham and Nashville. A large antenna might pickup Birmingham but Nashville was too far away. We must have been doing something different.

 

[gamecock stock]

I am pulling for Trump to succeed. He is inheriting a great economy. Inflation is at a reasonable +2.7% year-over-year, unemployment at a low at 4.2% and a stock market that has gone up 54% the past 4 years. All I ask of Trump is to keep it going. Don't screw it up.

 

[USCEE82]

I am pulling for Trump to succeed. He is inheriting a great economy. Inflation is at a reasonable +2.7% year-over-year, unemployment at a low at 4.2% and a stock market that has gone up 54% the past 4 years. All I ask of Trump is to keep it going. Don't screw it up.

He can screw up the current price of gas and groceries.

 

[gamecock stock]

He can screw up the current price of gas and groceries.

I agree, he can. I just hope he doesn't. We (the U.S.) have it great, especially compared to other countries. He is inheriting a situation, metamorphically speaking, similar to DeBoer inheriting the Alabama football program. He is not inheriting a situation, again, metamorphically speaking, as Lou did here from Brad Scott.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Side bar, Cable TV was also available in valleys surrounded by mountains where it was virtually impossibl;e for broadcast signals to reach.

Yeah, - the only reason I mentioned it was because when I first heard Tom O'Neal talk about that incident on a podcast, MY OWN immediate thought was - "That's BS, cable tv wasn't a thing before the 80's" ......

At that time, I was pretty skeptical of Tom and his claims because his whole theory (about Manson) is so far out there - but the more I listened, the less skeptical I became. I haven't finished the book yet because each chapter is a lot to digest.

 

[atl-cock]

We had no mountains to put a giant antenna on. We were getting stations from Birmingham and Nashville. A large antenna might pickup Birmingham but Nashville was too far away. We must have been doing something different.

Before TV stations signed on in Charleston, Savannah, Columbia, and the upstate starting in 1953, the only TV stations you could pick up in Beaufort were Charlotte and Jacksonville. So my father stated; he purchased a TV for my grandparents circa 1952.

Right after WWII, the FCC was inundated with TV station applications such that they put a freeze on it in 1948 to sort everything out and set up a standard for the UHF band. This freeze lasted for four years.

With no stations in northern Alabama (and anywhere in SC), yes, your picking up stations in B'ham and Nashville is not surprising.

The Decatur-Huntsville area was considered a "UHF" island. Back in the 1950s until probably the late 1980s, UFS reception was iffy at best.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Before TV stations signed on in Charleston, Savannah, Columbia, and the upstate starting in 1953, the only TV stations you could pick up in Beaufort were Charlotte and Jacksonville. So my father stated; he purchased a TV for my grandparents circa 1952.

Right after WWII, the FCC was inundated with TV station applications such that they put a freeze on it in 1948 to sort everything out and set up a standard for the UHF band. This freeze lasted for four years.

With no stations in northern Alabama (and anywhere in SC), yes, your picking up stations in B'ham and Nashville is not surprising.

The Decatur-Huntsville area was considered a "UHF" island. Back in the 1950s until probably the late 1980s, UFS reception was iffy at best.

We had local TV stations, one in Decatur and the rest in Huntsville. I left Decatur in 1976. Reception was not "iffy" at all. Not in the slightest.

 

[USCEE82]

I agree, he can. I just hope he doesn't. We (the U.S.) have it great, especially compared to other countries. He is inheriting a situation, metamorphically speaking, similar to DeBoer inheriting the Alabama football program. He is not inheriting a situation, again, metamorphically speaking, as Lou did here from Brad Scott.

I meant he can affect gas and groceries prices in a good way.

 

[Captn Skully]

I don't give mere reporters permission to inform my opinions. I didn't grow up with that. Editorial opinion was designated as such. Journalists knew their proper roles. For that reason, I watch none of the national newscasts or channels.

So your watching cable news that basically has no oversight....listing to the talking heads on Fox tell you that all the other news sources is fake news, when they themselves just settled for 787 million lawsuit for the election lies they told? Even have text from Tucker saying he did not believe it, yet they went on TV every night saying the election was stolen????? Im sure Fox and Newmax has not covered the fake elector scheme the GOP put together to steal the election, all that, along with J6, yet people still vote for these folks......Smartmatic is a 2.6 or 7 billion lawsuit which I bet you will also be settled out of court. Google Rupert Murdoch and Australia, he basically tried to do the same thing there and it did not work, so he came to America and unfortunately it seems to be working here.

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[gamecock stock]

I meant he can affect gas and groceries prices in a good way.

If we have bank failures, stock market crashes, a bond market crash and a real estate crash, gas and grocery prices will come down. But, that would not be good nor worth it.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

another example of the corrupt media trying to "spin" something.......

The plane in Azerbaijan (sp?) and some headlines state : "“physical and technical external interference"

You mean a MF'n missile??? Just say, "a missile" - or at the very least, anti-aircraft flak. SMDH.

 

[Lurker123]

So your watching cable news that basically has no oversight....listing to the talking heads on Fox tell you that all the other news sources is fake news, when they themselves just settled for 787 million lawsuit for the election lies they told? Even have text from Tucker saying he did not believe it, yet they went on TV every night saying the election was stolen????? Im sure Fox and Newmax has not covered the fake elector scheme the GOP put together to steal the election, all that, along with J6, yet people still vote for these folks......Smartmatic is a 2.6 or 7 billion lawsuit which I bet you will also be settled out of court. Google Rupert Murdoch and Australia, he basically tried to do the same thing there and it did not work, so he came to America and unfortunately it seems to be working here.

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Yawn

My propaganda is better than your propaganda.

My fake electors are called "alternates" when we do it, but they're trying to steal an election when you do the same thing.

I wonder if the general public will ever wake up to the idea that neither political party is their friend.

 

[Hoganman1]

I think it’s time to put this thread to bed.
MAGA is going to post one way and Earth One is going to post the other. The next six to eight months is going to show us who’s right. I’m tired of this back and forth.

 

[KingWard]

So your watching cable news that basically has no oversight....listing to the talking heads on Fox tell you that all the other news sources is fake news, when they themselves just settled for 787 million lawsuit for the election lies they told? Even have text from Tucker saying he did not believe it, yet they went on TV every night saying the election was stolen????? Im sure Fox and Newmax has not covered the fake elector scheme the GOP put together to steal the election, all that, along with J6, yet people still vote for these folks......Smartmatic is a 2.6 or 7 billion lawsuit which I bet you will also be settled out of court. Google Rupert Murdoch and Australia, he basically tried to do the same thing there and it did not work, so he came to America and unfortunately it seems to be working here.

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Uh, no.

 

[KingWard]

I am pulling for Trump to succeed. He is inheriting a great economy. Inflation is at a reasonable +2.7% year-over-year, unemployment at a low at 4.2% and a stock market that has gone up 54% the past 4 years. All I ask of Trump is to keep it going. Don't screw it up.

I did very well under the Trump administration, both in terms of wealth growth and buying power. He was sidetracked by Covid, which increasingly appears to have come about through suspicious if not sinister scientific contrivances.

 

[KingWard]

I agree, he can. I just hope he doesn't. We (the U.S.) have it great, especially compared to other countries. He is inheriting a situation, metamorphically speaking, similar to DeBoer inheriting the Alabama football program. He is not inheriting a situation, again, metamorphically speaking, as Lou did here from Brad Scott.

Gas prices are good - relative to three years ago. I still haven't seen 1.83 gasoline anytime since this administration became ensconced, however. Food prices are not better. "Slowed" rate of inflation hasn't fixed that, and the cost of housing is stratospheric.

 

[KingWard]

You still had "career" politicians in the founding father years. Thomas Jefferson, for example, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1769. He held some sort of elected or political office from 1769 until leaving the presidency in 1809 except for a brief period between 1793 and 1796 after he resigned as Secretary of State. George Washington was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1758, a position he held until 1775 when he became the commander in chief of the Continental Army. It's going to be hard to find examples of "temporary" politicians at any point in American history.

Plenty of crooked politicians, as well. Aaron Burr is a good example. John Adams, the second president, signed the Sedition Act of 1798 which criminalized malicious statements against the government. The law was used to prosecute political enemies, primarily Democratic-Republican journalists.

Now you do have a point with the lack of political careers for the sake of massive wealth gain. Politicians didn't go to Washington in 1810 to make a few million bucks in the stock market like they do now.

I'm comfortable in saying that most of the men you mentioned from our truly formative years, I certainly wouldn't include Burr, regardless of the mistakes or oversights they made, were more motivated by noblesse oblige than venality.

 

[gamecock stock]

I did very well under the Trump administration, both in terms of wealth growth and buying power. He was sidetracked by Covid, which increasingly appears to have come about through suspicious if not sinister scientific contrivances.

I have done well long before the Trump Administration and since. I never thought I would be a multi-millionaire, but I am. I don't want any screw up of that, moving forward, which can happen aided by ANY human because no one is perfect (regardless of what some ignorantly and stupidly think of themselves)...just sayin.

 

[gamecock stock]

Gas prices are good - relative to three years ago. I still haven't seen 1.83 gasoline anytime since this administration became ensconced, however. Food prices are not better. "Slowed" rate of inflation hasn't fixed that, and the cost of housing is stratospheric.

The supply chain broke, aided by the, yes, mismanagement of the covid crisis ( we have 4% of the world's population but had 20% of the world's deaths related to covid), leading to rising prices. Anyone expecting prices to fall below what they were prior to covid, without a deflationary, destructive job killing economy, is in for a long, long and disappointing wait. By the way, no one ever complains about rising income, which definitely has happened (wages grew 4.6% last month, well above the inflation rate of 2.7%).

 

[1vagamecock]

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[KingWard]

The supply chain broke, aided by the, yes, mismanagement of the covid crisis ( we have 4% of the world's population but had 20% of the world's deaths related to covid), leading to rising prices. Anyone expecting prices to fall below what they were prior to covid, without a deflationary, destructive job killing economy, is in for a long, long and disappointing wait. By the way, no one ever complains about rising income, which definitely has happened (wages grew 4.6% last month, well above the inflation rate of 2.7%).

Everyday people are playing catch-up, and will be playing catch-up for the foreseeable future.

 

[KingWard]

I have done well long before the Trump Administration and since. I never thought I would be a multi-millionaire, but I am. I don't want any screw up of that, moving forward, which can happen aided by ANY human because no one is perfect (regardless of what some ignorantly and stupidly think of themselves)...just sayin.

You undoubtedly are an active investor, and undoubtedly more inclined toward active trading than I am. I'm definitely passive, but watchful. I running about 30 issues with good companies, investing a fixed amount every month, and reinvesting dividends all the time. When prices fall, I still gain in the long run on shares owned. If I see a true dog, I sell it and seek recoupment elsewhere. I started late and not quite as wealthy as you, but money will never be an issue with me. I won't run out, and would probably only deplete if I build another house, a liquitable, value-gaining asset.

 

[gamecock stock]

Everyday people are playing catch-up, and will be playing catch-up for the foreseeable future.

That has been true forever and, unfortunately, will always been the norm.

 

[gamecock stock]

You undoubtedly are an active investor, and undoubtedly more inclined toward active trading than I am. I'm definitely passive, but watchful. I running about 30 issues with good companies, investing a fixed amount every month, and reinvesting dividends all the time. When prices fall, I still gain in the long run on shares owned. If I see a true dog, I sell it and seek recoupment elsewhere. I started late and not quite as wealthy as you, but money will never be an issue with me. I won't run out, and would probably only deplete if I build another house, a liquitable, value-gaining asset.

I got VERY lucky in 2020, when oil prices, due to covid, went under ZERO. I KNEW that was an anomaly. I sold EVERYTHING in my portfolio and loaded up exclusively in oil producers (XOM, COP EOG, etc). I deviated from investment recommendations by NOT diversifying. I was strictly in oil producers. Within a couple of years, my portfolio went up 3-5x and, I have never looked back. Was it a gamble? Maybe. But not really, because there was no way that the oil price could stay that low for long. So, in my mind, I was making an epic generational buy, one for the ages. Was I worried and not watching it? I would be lying if I said I was not nervous and not watching my portfolio daily. But, in the end.............

I don't need the money. There's nothing material-wise in the world I need nor want. It's kind of a game to me to see if I can outdo the smartest investors in the world. In the end, it will all be in my estate for my beneficiaries to benefit from. If I could go back in time to tell my 20 year-old self just one thing, it would be: "You won't need as much money as you think to be happy".

Just for the record, I THINK that we are in the midst of another generational buy with a 2nd to develop next month, Spring-time at the latest.

 

[USCEE82]

If we have bank failures, stock market crashes, a bond market crash and a real estate crash, gas and grocery prices will come down. But, that would not be good nor worth it.

No doubt. There will always be bank failures due to mismanagement. My portfolio was victim of one a couple of years ago. There will be market selloffs and corrections. You accept that going in. It always comes back over time. Real estate prices have gotten out of control and need a reset. Trump was president already, so I'm not worried about a coming depression. We shall see.

 

[gamecock stock]

I will say this about oil producers: I don't know if I ever will invest in them again. I don't know if they ever will provide another generational opportunity. But if you are retired and into dividends, there are some nice ones out there.

 

[Nm7710]

Just for the record, I THINK that we are in the midst of another generational buy with a 2nd to develop next month, Spring-time at the latest.

Out of curiosity, just wondering what you mean by that, I’m kinda in the opposite camp , S&P up so much for the last few years and PE’s on the high side , very speculative stocks have been going up sometimes for no reason, market seems to be ripe for a nice pullback, maybe then time to buy