Don't put words in my mouth. Neither of them ever initiated physical contact.
Another great article on the fictional “Penn State Scandal”
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I didn't say it was. I simply said that back in the day it wasn't unusual for an adult and young person be in a shower together. At no time did I condone sexual assault.
I said this from the beginning. That the PSU BOT reaction to this whole thing will be studied and used as an example for decades especially in business and business schools on how not to handle a hot button issues like this that one may face.
On a parallel note to this, it is a prime case study on getting YOUR side's message out front and center early and often.
The first narrative is very often the one that sticks.
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That is what always made me suspicious of the BOT. You had many heads of very large Fortune companies that literally stuck their head in the sand or tried run away and distance themselves. They all performed the classic CYA so it didn't flow over to their other jobs. So much for their promise to look after the institution that they are serving. Instead they served $$$ up on a silver platter.
After Joe,watching what they did to a good man like Tim still troubles me.
I put most of the blame on Spanier for this. He knew months in advance that Sandusky was being investigated. Given Sandusky's close association with the school he should have been prepared for major schit to hit fan. There is no indication that he sat down with anyone from PSU to review their Grand Jury testimony.
Again, I put this primarily on Spanier. However, he did tell the BoT of the grand Jury investigation, dismissing it as nothing. As you suggest, givedn their standing in the corporate world, a bunch of them should have drummed it into his head long and loud that he needed to prepare for the worst. They didn't, he didn't, and PSU bears the consequences to this day.
I agree with you on this.
As much as I truly believe none of C/S/S did anything deliberately wrong, I agree that as the President, the buck ultimately stopped with Spanier. He could have insisted on more action, and the BOT should have taken more of an intellectual curiosity position on digging further. And once they realized Baldwin had screwed up, those Corporate leaders should have done much more.
Unless they had something to hide themselves, and took the easiest route to finding a scapegoat.
Agree totally. Spanier also had enough time to come up with multiple plans of action depending which way this thing broke open. Instead they were caught flat footed with the public outrage and had no answers for anyone and that just threw gas on the fire.
Yes, his failure was not in not reporting, but of crisis mgmt. While he tried to get in front of the psu response to the breaking news in November 2011, the bot had already started down the wrong path by delaying any defense of psu. The bot ultimately surrendered without a fight.
I think the chances of MM speaking about anything is exactly 0.0000000000%
Also who is a well known and highly respected public figure.Follow who has money and it makes 100% sense
I still want to know when the teachers, parents, guidance counselors, Second Mile employees, et al whose job it was to look after these young boys every day the original police investigators and DA (well he's probably dead) who dropped the ball are going to get sued or imprisoned for letting JS get away with this?
Because none of the attorneys challenged him on the stand, starting with "And why did it take you ten years to come forward?"
AS THE PLAYERS SAY
Please respect my decision.......
I'm getting the f..k off this forum quickly.
All of the above, plus I will always wonder if he "fell in line" under threat that his father and Dr. D would be indicted.
Not only "brushed it off," but arranged to get Jerry a different workout location at the hotel up the street! LOL
Agreed. Making any sort of suggestion that Jerry was a pedophile at that time was sticky business for anyone, let alone a PSU administrator. When the man who should know best dismissed any concerns, it had to be a relief to Tim. "Case closed!"
In addition, didn't Jerry volunteer that the "little boy in the shower" was not a 9 or 10 year old.....but 14 year old Alan Meyer?
Who I believe was residing at that time with Dottie and Jerry?
It is generally accepted that the incident in question happened at the end of the day Jerry had interviewed for the Virginia job. He took Alan Meyer (who was living with him) along on the trip. They returned, workout and showered at Lasch.
I agree that JS should have been frightened after the 98 accusations. However, while I accept that it is possible Jerry has boundary issues and perhaps more.....I seriously doubt that he was anally raping kids in his family room for years and actually doubling up assaults with kids who never met one another and returned to be assaulted time scored of times....all with a withered penis.
I think it's more sinister than this. Let's not forget One Term's role in this. I'd love to see the cell phone records between Corbett and Surma. I'll bet more than 90% of the trustees only knew what Surma told them once the ball started rolling downhill. By that time guys like Frazier had already figured out what they personally could gain (Joyner) or their business interests (Merck).
Well, consider how many times Jerry and Dottie must have been "vetted" by social workers or employees of CPS to become foster parents and adoptive parents. No one went after those folks or agencies because there was no $$$ there and no political targets.
I don't know about MM's gambling or photo issues but I'm confident that he didn't want to be accused for doing too little to stop JS or for not reporting what he saw to the police. He started to cover his own rear end. His claim that he did stop JS by slamming his locker was lame. Then he embellished what he told Joe/C/S by saying things like he didn't use words like rape but explaining that they knew what he meant.
Didn't Freeh defend the conclusions of his report by saying those were just his opinions?
I wonder if he got all $14 million.Has mcqueary blown through his millions yet? If so, he will probably start talking in the hopes of getting a book deal or a documentary on Netflix. Bet on it.
Yes, when he had to state it under oath, iirc.
His July 2012 press conference did not make that important distinction. He stated it so that people would presume it to be evidence-based, when of course it wasn't.
He didn't change anything until he was sued over it, I think. His record for post-investigation lawsuits filed against his findings was interesting to say the least.
There was nothing in the written Freeh Report that substantiated what he alleged in his press briefing. He arranged a computer glitch so that no one could challenge him about this. This was the biggest hoax since "The War of the Worlds" radio incident.
Was awarded $12.3mm from his case. against PSU. Settled with PSU, presumably for less. Then there is the attorney's cut, usually 30-40%, so McQueary netted considerably less than $14mm. Hope he chokes on it.
Trying to be objective in this case, setting aside McQ the person, I felt he deserved the award. One of the very few, or maybe the only award paid out around the scandal that was actually merited.
Joyner botched that termination by not following the contract and simply doing the most straightforward thing. Had Joyner just paid him per the contract, as done with the other coaches who were let go under the same circumstances, it would have cost PSU a lot less than the $12mm. And it would have been behind them sooner and with far less noise.
I wonder if Ira had his hand in this one?
How did you see it?
(All that said, yes indeed, choke away).
Agree. There was no reason not to pay Magic Mike, who I detest, the separation compensation that his contract allowed for. Couldn't have gone beyond the low six figures, if that
No idea who made the decision or what they were thinking. Uncle Fester is a likely suspect given his track record when it comes to dealing with matters more complex than what to order for lunch.
