Another great article on the fictional “Penn State Scandal”

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and the Second Mile did an unreal job of getting PSU on the hook for everything in spite of the fact they were mostly responsible for all of this - I don't think the truth of their full involvement ill ever come out - the rich and powerfull aways get awy with it.
 

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Weren't the accusations by MM the only one JS was found not guilty of?
No, Sandusy was found guilty of four of the five charges stemming from the incident that McQueary witnessed. He was also found not guilty of two charges related to other victims.
 
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Was awarded $12.3mm from his case. against PSU. Settled with PSU, presumably for less. Then there is the attorney's cut, usually 30-40%, so McQueary netted considerably less than $14mm. Hope he chokes on it.
Let's not forget that ex wife Barbie was entitled to a divorce settlement. I believe he also had a young daughter? So many lives ruined.
 

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Trying to be objective in this case, setting aside McQ the person, I felt he deserved the award. One of the very few, or maybe the only award paid out around the scandal that was actually merited.
Joyner botched that termination by not following the contract and simply doing the most straightforward thing. Had Joyner just paid him per the contract, as done with the other coaches who were let go under the same circumstances, it would have cost PSU a lot less than the $12mm. And it would have been behind them sooner and with far less noise.
I wonder if Ira had his hand in this one?

How did you see it?

(All that said, yes indeed, choke away).
Whatever Judas did or didn't do was Ira's idea first.
 

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Yes, his failure was not in not reporting, but of crisis mgmt. While he tried to get in front of the psu response to the breaking news in November 2011, the bot had already started down the wrong path by delaying any defense of psu. The bot ultimately surrendered without a fight.
The evil cabal of the BOT intentionally threw Joe under the bus and intentionally threw gas on the fire of the situation to draw the media spotlight away from their incestuous ties with the Second Mile.
 

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It's tuff to get a murder conviction without a corpse. The "little boy in the shower" never stepped up to claim millions. I wonder why?
IIRC Alan Myers initially said that JS didn't abuse him. He testified that he couldn't remember 34 times. Then later he said he was victim #2 and JS abused him, just not the night MM walked in. He collected $6.9 million.
 
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IIRC MM (or Eschbach) said that he witnessed JS holding victim 2 up against the wall and hearing slapping sounds. In other words anal rape. Of course MM also said he saw the boy and he wasn't distressed. That was when MM was covering his own rear end for leaving the kid behind.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure a 10 yr old boy who was anal raped would be very distressed.
 

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IIRC MM (or Eschbach) said that he witnessed JS holding victim 2 up against the wall and hearing slapping sounds. In other words anal rape. Of course MM also said he saw the boy and he wasn't distressed. That was when MM was covering his own rear end for leaving the kid behind.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure a 10 yr old boy who was anal raped would be very distressed.
This is really simple. Of the 48 charges against Sandusky, he was found not-guilty on three. Of those one (of five) was related to the Lasch iincident to which McQueary testified. The other two were related to two other victims.

My recollection is that Magic Mike didn't see Jerry's dick up the kid's a$$ so Jerry was acquitted on that charge.

That's it. Y'all wanna knock yourselves out over other details go ahead.
 

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Some particularly sad things:
  • Eschbach lied about what MM told her in the grand jury presentment and got away with it.
  • The PSU BOT didn't defend the university (like Michigan State, Ohio State, etc).
  • IIRC Curley, Shultz, and Spanier were charged with a crime based on a law that wasn't in effect at the time.
I would like to see statistics on how frequently victims “forget” their trauma and are later helped by repressed memory theory? It seems like nearly every one of his victims fell into that category, which to me seems like it would be statistically unlikely.
 

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I would like to see statistics on how frequently victims “forget” their trauma and are later helped by repressed memory theory? It seems like nearly every one of his victims fell into that category, which to me seems like it would be statistically unlikely.
It wasn't every victim but it was most. These are mostly poor kids that grew up with troubled families in troubled neighborhoods. After JS was found guilty it had to be very tempting when an attorney approached them promising $$$ if they would "remember" being touched improperly.
 

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You believe Magic Mike in this instance? Don't know either way, but McQueary's credibility is less than zero.
I don't think he made everything up. I think he was genuinely concerned but I doubt he could really tell what was going on. That's probably why he used soft language with dad, Dranov, Joe, Curley, and Shultz. Then authorities leaned on him for not doing more so he started to embellish his story to cover his own rear end.

That seems most likely to me. Occam's razor.
 
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I don't think he made everything up. I think he was genuinely concerned but I doubt he could really tell what was going on. That's probably why he used soft language with dad, Dranov, Joe, Curley, and Shultz. Then authorities leaned on him for not doing more so he started to embellish his story to cover his own rear end.

That seems most likely to me. Occam's razor.
Agree.

Believe he started embellishing his story in a chat about authorities looking into Sandusky's activities, something that had been swirling around State College for a while. The dynamic was one where everyone tries to "top this." So McQueary is out there, referred to the authorities, and winds up trapped in his own construction.

What flummoxes me is that no defense attorney ever aggressively challenged him on the stand. Had it happened, believe he would have folded up like a punctured accordion.
 

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This is really simple. Of the 48 charges against Sandusky, he was found not-guilty on three. Of those one (of five) was related to the Lasch iincident to which McQueary testified. The other two were related to two other victims.

My recollection is that Magic Mike didn't see Jerry's dick up the kid's a$$ so Jerry was acquitted on that charge.

That's it. Y'all wanna knock yourselves out over other details go ahead.
Since he was physically incapable of that, it is certain Big Red did not witness that act.

Of course , that would also mean JS was incapable of most of the other things he was accused.
 
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Since he was physically incapable of that, it is certain Big Red did not witness that act.

Of course , that would also mean JS was incapable of most of the other things he was accused.
And you know that how?
 

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Since he was physically incapable of that, it is certain Big Red did not witness that act.

Of course , that would also mean JS was incapable of most of the other things he was accused.
Nit,
I heard this yrs ago and wishing it were true, but I would think that the condition is recorded in his doctor's medical file. This would have been terrific evidence for Jerbear in his court proceedings.
Did his lawyers ever present this condition in court?
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IIRC MM (or Eschbach) said that he witnessed JS holding victim 2 up against the wall and hearing slapping sounds. In other words anal rape. Of course MM also said he saw the boy and he wasn't distressed. That was when MM was covering his own rear end for leaving the kid behind.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure a 10 yr old boy who was anal raped would be very distressed.
or would ever want to be anywhere near him again yet invited Sandusky to his wedding or driven all the way from North Carolina for Sandusky's mom's funeral IIRC.
 
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