ARK’s AD talking about NIL and Ole Miss
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I don't get it....he says the rich folks are NOT helping the program.....but then says they've been incredibly generous. Hmmmmmm.
This is just fleecing the middle class, who many times, is dumb enough to fall for it.
This is just fleecing the middle class, who many times, is dumb enough to fall for it.
That’s not what he said. He said that you can’t rely on just the rich families to do this alone.
I was being a smartass. I'm making fun of the sales job. Obviously he wants more money or he wouldn't be up there begging.
Problem is, though, getting back to the issue, is that it SHOULD be 80% borne by the rich. If you just do it based on sheer percentages, that number would bear itself out. I think the Tyson's and Walton's probably see the fallacy of NIL and don't feel like participating to a huge extent.
The schools with big NIL are the ones that have enough rich people that also WANT to buy players. I'm sure Ole Miss is doing it with numbers rather than a few elites like a Phil Knight, but those are not middle class numbers - those are pretty high upper class numbers.
True middle class people do their jobs by wearing merchandise, going to games, sending their kids to college at the school, etc. You'll never convince me that the Average Joes should be funding NIL, because there are other, better things needed with that funding. But hey, if they'll do it......
ETA: And before any wisecracking clown says it, NO - it's not like taxes, that are spent on the overall basic needs of society. This is buying players - a luxury.
And speaking of that.....a better sales pitch will be available in 2025, when those rosters sizes go up and the TV money starts funding football NIL. The sales pitch will be, "If you want to have a baseball/softball/tennis/etc. team, you better give".
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They have one P5 school. We have two. They have a larger population than Miss. This should not be an issue for them.
If God did not want them sheered, he would not have made them sheep!
I love how the institutions and the upper crust move us regular folk out of the chair backs, lower levels, and courtsides to the bleachers and the nosebleeds, essentially saying “we don’t need yo broke asss” and then….
blame us for poor game day atmosphere and lackluster NIL performance saying “we need your money”
I still don’t quite see how average Joes tie into NIL. The idea is paying for name, image, and likeness. In other words starring in ad spots for businesses and products. The people paying the money get something back. That is normal quid pro quo. How does a collective with no product factored in? Is Bulldog Collective money paid straight to players?
The Arkansas AD said in the full speech that their collective was supposed to set up charitable opportunities for the athletes receiving funds to contribute their time. He then said that it’s an absolutely ridiculous idea considering the amount of money paid by the collective for the minuscule service provided by the athletes. In other words, it’s just bullshi t.
ADs understand and agree with us, deep down. But when your high-paying job is on the line, motivate the sheep any way you can.....
I wonder how much the coaches, ADs, staffers, etc. donate of their salaries to NIL? And since that's arbitrary and negotiable (i.e. they can make it a zero sum game by how they negotiate their contract), I wonder how many would be willing to donate on any one time basis to help that current year? Now THAT would put them on the spot.
It would be interesting to see contract incentives include payments to the NIL. For example, $100k payments to the NIL for each win over 8. $500k payment to the NIL for a bowl win. Matching funds paid by the head coach to the NIL up to a certain amount.
That's because it's not really nil. It's mislabeled pay for play. Kiffin and other coaches have been saying that out loud.
That's why I laugh when people talk about 'investing' in the program. I mean El Oh El. This shlt ain't investing, it's an outright purchase. Discretionary spending. Consumerism. Entertainment. Ego. Etc.
Yes it's buying the daughter a pony for her birthday and throwing a big party.
Gee. Wonder who said this on this site eariler.
Mississippi State. #1 university in Oktibbeha county since 1878
I know an ole miss family, none of who went there. Their combined family income is probably less than $75K. They brag about donating $200 a month. That's crazy. I know that they could be lying, but knowing them, I don't think that they are.
Ok well I’m good with that but it just hasn’t been spelled out. If that’s true I can see why Charlie and others would be hesitant to say so in a public forum. Let’s get these fellas paid and win some ballgames!
That depends on which rich people we are talking about. You can bet your butt that plenty of “rich” people in Starkville and Oxford will get a decent ROI on players if the team is winning big and national interest is in town spending money in their businesses. Restaurants and merch vendors are the easy examples but there are plenty of others.
But only if you live in Starkville or the area. This people benefit. They should be putting in the money
Could not agree more
The question that’s being advertised across the country is…. Will you, as a fan, please give what you can due to your love of the team?
The real question that’s being asked, however, is… Will you, as a fan, dig deep and give up a little from your middle class life so that our 18 year olds can get some jewelry and drive a nicer car than you’ll ever own?
It’s the reality of where we are, I get it, but it’s not a question that should be directed at the average fan
105 scholarship athletes with a $12M fan NIL is an average of over $114k per player on Arkansas’s team. They’re asking folks to give $100 a month so that a teenager/early 20s guy can be paid over $100k to play football, with free food, free housing, a free education, the best training facilities, the best trainers and physical therapists, etc. With all of the extra perks, the $114k is probably worth well over $200k.
I really don’t see how you sell the collective to the common, everyday fan who doesn’t have a household income over $100k and who has significant, normal expenses.
I really don’t see how you sell the collective to the common, everyday fan who doesn’t have a household income over $100k and who has significant, normal expenses.
How many people really want to donate to college athletes who are going to have a higher annual income than they do? Is that emotional high from not sucking at football that important?
OM fans obsessively live vicariously through recruits and quite literally worship them. I can certainly see them throwing a large chunk of their cash towards something like that. My brother-in-law says he gives "quite a bit" and doesn't even go to games. It's pretty sad throwing so much money at teenagers in hopes they'll come play for your school of choice.
Thanks to an executive order by the governor 2 days ago, Georgia schools can directly pay players. That 2 states that are allowing schools to directly pay using NIL collective money. UGA started today. I assume we will be doing the same thing soon, paying players directly through the collective.
This is why they are where they are and we are where we are. Their fans have always prided themselves for donating to the football program (legally or not). The $8,000,000 1-time contribution is great. But we need another 4,000 rank and file people donating $500-$1,000 per year.
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