I’m aware of this. It’s written the same book that Mauti expresses his dislike of Jay. “That dude was everything a coach shouldn’t be”
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How do we know he had it in for Joe? How do we know that Joe chose the team doctor? Do most coaches choose the team doctor, or is it a university appointed position? How far back does this supposed conflict go? Dr. Wayne Sebastianelli was the team doctor going back to the 90’s, perhaps before? When did Joyner apply, and get denied the position? I don’t have the answers to those questions. I’m trying to understand why a revered former PSU multi sport athlete and physician is a target of such disdain within a subset of the PSU alumni/fan base? My guess is there are way more back stories to all of this than we will ever know with credibility concerns from all angles. I also agree with folks who think The Second Mile and others should have faced legal consequences, including Corbett who clearly had a conflict of interest in the whole thing and came out unscathed other than he lost a second term, as he should have.
Again, though. Why beat around the bush? What exactly did Joyner do? No one can seem to give me a concrete answer with any facts to back it up. Are you saying the Sandusky scandal was “made up”?
Not going to rehash this yet again. I knew someone fairly close to the situation who was "impacted" to a degree. Joe's character is above reproach same for Tim Curley. Nothing to do with JS being guilty or not. Surma had an axe to grind and fired Joe with relish. He was
Corbett's right hand man. The scandal being laid at the feet of PSU was all politics. The Second Mile had to be protected as too many heavy hitters had their asses on the line.
Everyone can believe what they wish. But if you were ever in that coaches locker room, you know that MM is lying when he says he "saw" something. At most he was an ear witness.....and likely impaired (IMO) and he didn't report the incident to Joe for 6 weeks.
Do your own research if it's important to you. No one is beating around the bush.....you're 10 years too late.
Nothing you said seems to have direct ties to Joyner, so what else am I supposed to gather from your comments? If you still have an axe to grind about it and it was all politics then why aren’t you focusing it all on Corbett? I’m not 10 years to late, I lived through it just like you guys. I’m just trying to figure out which conspiracy theories have any merit. So far, I’m not convinced. Somehow, some lose the fact that a monster that, inexplicably, still had access to PSU facilities was convicted of 45 counts of sexual abuse against young boys over a 15 year period.
Don't forget the official termination letter from Baldwin....
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The Complicated Legacy of David Joyner
At today's Penn State where so many of our leaders fall into a robotic, impersonal -- yes, heartless -- abyss, honorable intent is at least a start. If nothing else, David Joyner had that.
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Of course they just felt it would be worse in the medias eyes if they accepted joes resignation and didn’t look like they fired him instead. He did resign just like anyone would resign giving a timeline.
yes they were asses and went to his house and called on the phone afterwards.
Nope
TATE COLLEGE, Pa. - Joe Paterno was stunned that Penn State's Board of Trustees fired him Wednesday night amid a child sex-abuse scandal involving his one-time heir apparent, a source close to the outgoing football coach told CBS News chief investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian.
Yeah. I get the sentiment. But here again, why do you feel that way? What specifically did he do to make you feel that way? Nobody seems to be able to give me a specific examples other than to lump him into decisions that were made by a group. It’s a mob mentality that some just jump on board with without a lot of info. I guess I can just assume a subset of PSU followers will forever hate anyone or any thing that was university affiliated when Joe’s career ended? Fair enough?
All I know from some personal dealings with Joyner was he was not good as the AD and was gifted that position (IMO) rather than the BOT trying to find someone capable and qualified for the role. There were people already better qualified within Athletics to assume an interim AD role than that clown. Just one of the many questionable decisions by the BOT during that time period.
Now you're just being obtuse.
Joyner had no prior experience as an athletic director and some observers have questioned the propriety of the Board of Trustees moving one of their own members into a position that reportedly pays an annual salary of $396,000. In a report released in November 2012 the Pennsylvania Auditor General recommended that Penn State should avoid such transfers, stating, "this movement gives rise to reasonable public perceptions of insider influence and conflicting interests, particularly when the movement involves persons at executive levels." Notwithstanding this recommendation, in January 2013 Penn State announced that Joyner had been named permanent AD.
In October 2012 Joyner and Penn State President Rodney Erickson were booed by fans attending a Penn State football game.
I believe the board is done doing the research on this for you.
Nope!!
Joe Paterno resigned, then was fired by Penn State 10 years ago today:
“Paterno had announced he would resign. Twelve hours later he was fired”Fair enough. Thanks for the info. I appreciate the info. Admittedly, I have largely tuned out a lot of this over the years in an attempt to just move on.
What the hell? Joe Paterno did not resign 9 games into the season. He was fired.
It’s not what he did, it’s what he didn’t do. He could have jumped up on the table and told the other BOT to just stop. We are not firing Joe, he had nothing to do w this. JS was retired. Go get GS
And......it was not a secret in the program and certainly to key BOT members that 2011 was Joe's last. If he had his druthers, 2012 would have been (as he felt that team could make a run) but his failing health made the decision for him.
Ira even made a few phone calls over the summer to then Virginia Coach Mike London....I'm sure there were others.
Simply put, guilt or innocence of Sandusky is irrelevant to the issue of "the scandal" being the excuse to torch Joe, the program the university and then 3 administrators who were convicted and sent to prison for endangering a child that has NEVER been identified.....think about that for a moment. It is difficult to get a murder conviction without a body.
There were 32 members of the BOT.....about 7 or 8 were in lockstep with Surma.....whose cellphone was on fire with phone calls from the Fat Boy in Harrisburg. The other 24 members were mushrooms.....kept in the dark and covered with ****.
1. Raykovitz, a mandatory reporter AND a contract employee of CYS knew everything that Tim knew and told JS to wear swim trunks.
2. Ira's settlements with the "claimants" indemnified the board, directors, employees of TSM
Judas was essentially unemployed....his business ventures going belly up. He functioned as the BOT eyes and ears overseeing the AD during the Freeh investigation. Players had to be restrained from kicking his *** before the Ticket City Bowl.
The following season, the Captains told BOB that they wouldn't be responsible for what might happen if they saw Judas on the sidelines.
He publicly parroted the OGBOT myth that there was a "cultural problem" in the football program. For this alone, I hate his guts.
Much like a certain member of a PSU Football Family and trustee whispering that the BOT had saved PSU Football because there would be widespread NCAA violations discovered (none were ever found).
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If you ever have doubt that labeling the Sandusky situation was manipulated into a "Penn State" scandal......and the indemnification doesn't do it for you....do some research into the "Immaculate" email allegedly delivered to SPM the day after Corbett was elected governor. Was it just coincidence or was Howard Stern somehow connected to a prosecutor?
Ok. I see. Can’t disagree with that. Regardless of anyone’s opinion of Joe’s involvement, there was certainly culpability further up the food chain including within PA state legislature and public agencies.
This is pretty good! Can I just add the following:
1a. After TC informed JR of the situation, Jr gave Js a key to Bruce Heim's swimming pool at one of Bruce Heim's motels and told JS to just wear swim trunks when he had the boys over. Bruce Heim was on TSM board at the time. BH and JR discussed this decision
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Did you read above. English comprehension?
these are from newspapers!!!!
Joe Paterno resigned, then was fired by Penn State 10 years ago today:
“Paterno had announced he would resign. Twelve hours later he was fired”Perhaps others are more qualified to give a definitive response. Let me say this....does anyone find it strange that no porn was recovered on Sandusky's computer.....but was shared frequently on the work PC's of prosecutors including Fina?
She allegedly leaked secret grand jury information. There were no leaks in the Corbett/Kelly era ....it was a tsunami.
My guess is she tripped herself up.....but Seth Williams and Frank Fina were exposed in the end as human slime.
Well before news of the Sandusky scandal broke, Paterno expressed his intent to retire at the end of the 2011 season. To whom beyond Tim Curley and, by extension, Graham Spanier, I couldn't say, but have to believe that any number of Board members were aware. While it wasn't public knowledge, it also wasn't a particularly well kept secret.
When news of Sandusky came out, it accelerated Joe going public with his plan to retire. But, the BoT wasn't having it and fired him immediately.
You’re playing semantical games? He said he would retire are the end of the season and they fired him with three games left. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, honestly. If I give my boss two weeks notice and he fires me on the spot, I’ve been fired.
No. That is not how it works. He must accept your resignation and Pay you for the two weeks but say this is your last day. Now if it is longer than 2 weeks they can make a compromise on pay.
Now did they come out after he resigned and say that? Yes. If paterno was dying they would have said that is great but I resigned. As usual bot was slow in their response!
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno resigned today in the wake of the child sex abuse scandal that’s rocked the university. INSIDE EDITION has the details.
College football legend Joe Paterno resigned as Penn State's coach just hours after a raucous rally outside his home.
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Slow? PSU knew for months that Joe intended to retire after the 2011 season and never prior to November 9, 2011 did anyone (except a bunch of fans) suggest that he leave sooner. He was fired outright and that would have happened regardless of his public announcement of retirement.
That's not how it works where? There are many places where submitting a resignation with an effective date does not require immediate cessation of duties. Two weeks is a customary notification period, but it's not written in stone, and it has nothing to do with pay if the employee gives longer notice. In Joe's case, it would have been driven by the provisions of his contract.
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They can have you work the two weeks or say we are good thank you for your service today is the last day you need to come in.
It's not as if the BoT first became aware of Joe's intent mere hours before it fired him.
Yes slow becasue spanier, the ad and bot did not do anything when Joe brought it to their attention years before. Don’t get me started on mcqueary who at 27 did not go and break it up and take the kid away from Sandusky and call the police. Yet psu paid him 4 million.
bot was not like osu Michigan msu who were out in front of it and becasue of that the media didn’t torture them. Last I checked all statues etc are still in place at those schools!
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