Be careful what you wish for

[psu31trap]

I think Coach Franklin’s success at Vanderbilt in ‘12 & ‘13 is what holds him back a bit. Was Vanderbilt a stepping stone for bigger and better things or did he reach his coaching potential/limit?

If winning a NC was the sole objective, then yes the AD made a mistake extending Franklin’s contract. But I do not believe that was the sole objective to extending his contract. JMHO

 

[Ludd]

Stop it

But it’s true.

 

[GrimReaper]

I think Coach Franklin’s success at Vanderbilt in ‘12 & ‘13 is what holds him back a bit. Was Vanderbilt a stepping stone for bigger and better things or did he reach his coaching potential/limit?

If winning a NC was the sole objective, then yes the AD made a mistake extending Franklin’s contract. But I do not believe that was the sole objective to extending his contract. JMHO

No, PSU's objective was and is to keep the stadium filled. Ms. Excellence didn't want to entertain the possibility of losing Franklin and hiring a new coach with the risk that entails. Another brilliant result from someone who put Cal in hock for 100 years.

 

[MacNit2.0]

The next guy won’t live up to the expectations of many either, so there’s that.

Perhaps…but will never know until we try.

 

[MacNit2.0]

The comparisons to Joe are pointless. Different era, different coach, etc. Notice how in no other sport at PSU is the current coach compared to predecessors. The measurement should be against what is expected of the football program in today's environment.

In no other sport, did OSU have the services of the greatest ever!

 

[MacNit2.0]

Penn State didn’t lose yesterday because of a lack of toughness. Just stop. They lost because of poor offensive play calling and lack of execution especially by the QB.

Nope. Toughness was the reason. Especially mental toughness.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Because we DESERVE better!

We don’t deserve anything. Just making an observation like many experts have made.

 

[MacNit2.0]

I think Coach Franklin’s success at Vanderbilt in ‘12 & ‘13 is what holds him back a bit. Was Vanderbilt a stepping stone for bigger and better things or did he reach his coaching potential/limit?

If winning a NC was the sole objective, then yes the AD made a mistake extending Franklin’s contract. But I do not believe that was the sole objective to extending his contract. JMHO

Well, then the extension is working wonderfully!

 

[BostonNit]

Penn State didn’t lose yesterday because of a lack of toughness. Just stop. They lost because of poor offensive play calling and lack of execution especially by the QB.

Here's the game in a microcosm...

4th quarter, 4th down, their best player JT Tuimoloau beats our best player Olu and swats Drew's arm on the attempted pass.

Didya see the fire in that kid's eyes??? He has owned us in the 4th quarter the past 2 years. It's intensity and toughness. Not scheming.

 

[wbcbus]

Never is a long time.

I know, and I’m afraid I don’t have that long.

 

[wbcbus]

That would be the “blue blood” decimated by sanctions right?

Correct, and Franklin did an excellent job pulling us through that and into a top 10 team. But he’s reached his peak. How many season of post-sanction results losing the most important games do you need before you accept that he’s not good enough to win them?

 

[Schoolie]

I saw that good coaching and sound decision making lose a lot of games to OSU, Michigan and Iowa. Can we please stop with the selective memory.

Not selective memory, Ludd. It's a compilation of a coaching career, not selective games. I'm not selecting specific rivalries. Franklin's record against OSU and Michigan is awful. Paterno's wasn't that good, either.

 

[J.E.B]

Audrey Snyder’s article in The Athletic:

For 364 days a year, Franklin talks about how his program needs to be aligned, needs more support, needs to keep pace in the world of name, image and likeness and the transfer portal. On the 365th day, the one that matters most, the result is another clunker against the Buckeyes.

Krafty is watching. He wants to win championships and is the one to decide if Franklin is the guy. In Krafty we must trust. My only issue with him to this point is the number of BC people that he is bringing to HV.

 

[J.E.B]

I honestly think his contract was a result of the sanctions. Hear me out… If it weren’t for the sanctions, we would constantly have top four in mind. However, with the sanctions, I believe that expectations were lowered and leadership just wanted to get back to top 10. I think FRANKLIN is a top 10 coach, but he is not a top 4 coach. I would be happy to be proven wrong, though…

Urban would have been in HV without the scandal and sanctions. Krafty has much bigger aspirations than Sandy and her crew of DEI agents had. Sandy was all about being on NCAA committees and getting recognized by her contemporaries. She had hoped to ride out her last year receiving all kinds of bs awards. Neeli gets hired and tells her to hit the road a year early in their first meeting. Franklion’s buyout is much too substantial until the fifth yr, I believe. We are two years in.

 

[J.E.B]

He has had enough time.

We are spinning our wheels.

Time for someone new to get a chance.

Come on man. Franklin is the man. PSU is stuck. Krafty has to live with it or encourage him to bolt on his own.

“Franklin's buyout to leave for another job is $12 million through April 1, 2022. After April hits, the buyout immediately drops to a manageable $8 million before $6 million in 2023 and all the way down to a tiny $2 million in 2024, just three seasons from now. To the contrary, Penn State will owe Franklin the entirety of his $70 million annual compensation, even if it fires him.”

 

[J.E.B]

The comparisons to Joe are pointless. Different era, different coach, etc. Notice how in no other sport at PSU is the current coach compared to predecessors. The measurement should be against what is expected of the football program in today's environment.

WVB will be compared to Russ Rose and already is. WFH will be compared to Char. Just wait for WS and Wrestling. What other sports had HOF coaches? Those are always the comparisons.

 

[J.E.B]

No, PSU's objective was and is to keep the stadium filled. Ms. Excellence didn't want to entertain the possibility of losing Franklin and hiring a new coach with the risk that entails. Another brilliant result from someone who put Cal in hock for 100 years.

Franklion was being pursued by USC and LSU back in September, 2021. PSU was 5-0 and heading to Iowa. Sandy had to book him or she thought her last hire would be a football coach which she wanted no part of and neither did the BOT with new leadership coming in. She secured him and almost immediately the season crumbled.

 

[s1uggo72]

The comparisons to Joe are pointless. Different era, different coach, etc. Notice how in no other sport at PSU is the current coach compared to predecessors. The measurement should be against what is expected of the football program in today's environment.

There are no other sports st PSU. While wrestling is important to us, it’s not to the general public

 

[GrimReaper]

Urban would have been in HV without the scandal and sanctions. Krafty has much bigger aspirations than Sandy and her crew of DEI agents had. Sandy was all about being on NCAA committees and getting recognized by her contemporaries. She had hoped to ride out her last year receiving all kinds of bs awards. Neeli gets hired and tells her to hit the road a year early in their first meeting. Franklion’s buyout is much too substantial until the fifth yr, I believe. We are two years in.

Meyer wasn't coming to PSU regardless of sanctions. OSU had him locked up in May of 2011.

In Year 5, Franklin's buyout is $40mm. I consider that substantial, particularly considering the money the Athletic Department plans to spend and doesn't have.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

My golf pro has nephews on the lax team, they’re pretty good.

 

[GrimReaper]

WVB will be compared to Russ Rose and already is. WFH will be compared to Char. Just wait for WS and Wrestling. What other sports had HOF coaches? Those are always the comparisons.

Okay, so the three people that talk about women's soccer and volleyball and field hockey will make comparisons to coaches past.

 

[GrimReaper]

There are no other sports st PSU. While wrestling is important to us, it’s not to the general public

I agree, which only reinforces my point.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Sell out, hit them like that

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

3 step drop, another completion

 

[Ludd]

Not selective memory, Ludd. It's a compilation of a coaching career, not selective games. I'm not selecting specific rivalries. Franklin's record against OSU and Michigan is awful. Paterno's wasn't that good, either.

Yes, he won a lot of games, but he was also coach for 47 years. He also had a lot of seasons where they underperformed especially if you use the same criteria that Franklin gets judged by. How long is our fan base going to keep bringing Paterno up? He’s gone and not coming back and even if he could, I doubt he would be nearly successful in today’s game.

 

[Midnighter]

3 step drop, another completion

For you:

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

For you:

Slideshow slide from a soldier. Respect.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

After the top ten games we end up looking like this.....

When we are at the water cooler we expect to be looking like this.....

Maybe we should just be happy with this....

Would

 

[step.eng69]

The B1G two Bullies and US

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Been a PSU football fan since mid to late 70's . Live in Indiana , the state. I was big IU Basketball fan starting at the same time. All the games were televised one way or other on free TV. I didnt even know IU even had a football team . IU's best football was Lee Corso winning the 79 Holiday Bowl. If b some miracle PSU had a great season and IU did the same year? I'd be torn but never going to happen, If IU had a really good yr and PSU was down ? Yes I'd be for IU that one year and again never going to happen.

Disappointing to lose to OSU again sure. people on game thread saying Franklin is worst coach in football period. Seriously? I follow IU as it's my state and when season begins people are already coming up with scenarios of how we can sneak into a bowl game before we even play. Have likely the worst head coach in Div I that somehow through having this yrs Heisman front runner that transferred later, into a covid altered decent yr and has a 20 MILLION buyout right now and HS teams might beat IU

Day isnt any better coach. I dont trust people that turn red LOL, seriously today They had Harrison which is for sure but I'm not sure OSU gets called for PI or holding on that TD return and sure looked like the punter stepped on the end line.

So PSU is a solid 9-10-11 win team every year and people calling the coach out as worst ever? Fun games to watch, fun team to watch. You guys used to ride Clifford. The entire state of Indiana would have bowed to him as IU's QB for what 6 years?

Highly doubtful anyone out there better for PSU than Franklin and IU wouldnt even bother to interview him if he got fired they would have a moving van there for his stuff.

Just to be clear, I’m embarrassed when you use Indiana and Penn state in the same sentence. It’s not who I want us to be. And Bobby knight is a tool so there.