Bo Bounds say, we paid Shapen half a mil…..

[patdog]

But sometimes its hard to tell. And no one can tell right now with Lebby. If you say you can, you are a dumb.

We'll know by next year though.

 

[paindonthurt17]

We'll know by next year though.

Possibly. possibly not.

We had 58 new players this year. Thats crazy. And thats not really even mostly on Lebby.

I loved leach but when he died he left us in a bad spot. He recruited for his system.

We have zero talent on defense. I bet we don't have more than 1 or 2 players on defense that sniff the nfl that are Juniors or seniors (probably sophomores as well).

 

[HuntDawg]

"Give Croom time"

3 years isnt croom time.

4 coaches in 4 years... is just going to get another coach of the same quality we currently have.

that said.. i'll state again.. i'm not sold on Lebby at all.

You been to a basketball game yet old man?

 

[HuntDawg]

We'll know by next year though.

yeah i think thats fair. by next year we'll have a good idea. and unless its utter disaster, year 3 should be put up or shut up time... followed by a move made unless we see program pointing a direction we like.

 

[HuntDawg]

Possibly. possibly not.

We had 58 new players this year. Thats crazy. And thats not really even mostly on Lebby.

I loved leach but when he died he left us in a bad spot. He recruited for his system.

We have zero talent on defense. I bet we don't have more than 1 or 2 players on defense that sniff the nfl that are Juniors or seniors (probably sophomores as well).

even then. This time of college football. 3 seasons is enough to get your system, your nil supporters fired up, your recruits, coaches, etc all in place... where you can see the light at the end of the tunnell.

The only way i pull the plug next season is if there is zero improvement from this year. Or if it looks roughly the same.... year 3 is the put up or shut up year for me. Where even a middling type season, he should be shown the door

 

[The Peeper]

yeah i think thats fair. by next year we'll have a good idea. and unless its utter disaster, year 3 should be put up or shut up time... followed by a move made unless we see program pointing a direction we like.

I don't think they get 3 years anymore. In an era where you can hit the portal and pick up somebody and plug them in like an automobile fuse and crank it up and go, 3 years won't work anymore. In this era, 3 bad years sets you back too much. I think Lebby deserves another year, but if he hits the portal and lays another egg next year, why does he deserve a 3rd year?

 

[HuntDawg]

I don't think they get 3 years anymore. In an era where you can hit the portal and pick up somebody and plug them in like an automobile fuse and crank it up and go, 3 years won't work anymore. In this year 3 bad years sets you back too much. I think Lebby deserves another year, but if he hits the portal and lays another egg next year, why does he deserve a 3rd year?

im not saying everyone needs a 3rd year... but we do.

We are currently at 3 coaches in 3 years. We need some stability. Again our program is a car wreck right now. We've got to put the car back together before we can drive it. We gotta let someone have enough time to get the car back road worthy again.

But as I've said...if Lebby has another 2-10 year, blown out every sec game, cant beat toledo at home type year... then yes, he needs to go. I'm assuming we see some level of improvment next season.

 

[paindonthurt17]

even then. This time of college football. 3 seasons is enough to get your system, your nil supporters fired up, your recruits, coaches, etc all in place... where you can see the light at the end of the tunnell.

The only way i pull the plug next season is if there is zero improvement from this year. Or if it looks roughly the same.... year 3 is the put up or shut up year for me. Where even a middling type season, he should be shown the door

I agree with this.

 

[paindonthurt17]

im not saying everyone needs a 3rd year... but we do.

We are currently at 3 coaches in 3 years. We need some stability. Again our program is a car wreck right now. We've got to put the car back together before we can drive it. We gotta let someone have enough time to get the car back road worthy again.

But as I've said...if Lebby has another 2-10 year, blown out every sec game, cant beat toledo at home type year... then yes, he needs to go. I'm assuming we see some level of improvment next season.

Nah man we are mississippi state. every is dying to come here and coach. Just fire them every year until you find the next nick saban.

 

[Goont]

I will. Donating without a real plan is STUPIDITY.

Unless you have some sort of moral pull to help out football players. Then by all means, allow them to separate you from your money.

I’d rather eat Dominos once a week.

If you do not want to donate then don't. But borderline trying to convince others not to is stupid.

 

[Goont]

I don't think it's sustainable, but I've been wrong lotsa times in my life.

I wouldn't do it if I had 17 you money. So, yes, I have no right to complain that we suck. I will try to remember that.

Correct.

 

[paindonthurt17]

If you do not want to donate then don't. But borderline trying to convince others not to is stupid.

Thats goat in a nutshell.

Doesn't want to save on government fat but is upset when people CHOOSE to donate their own money.

 

[Goont]

Basically no one in this thread is helping the cause. I guess that is to be expected with a free board.

 

[She Mate Me]

Basically no one in this thread is helping the cause. I guess that is to be expected with a free board.

We're just having a discussion studmuffin. I pay with my sheer excellence.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If you do not want to donate then don't. But borderline trying to convince others not to is stupid.

You're not wrong. But the push to get middle class alumni to give $100 is misguided. This is a game played by rich folk, and corporate interests.

And that's my biggest beef with everything we are doing in the athletic department. There is no plan.

 

[Goont]

You're not wrong. But the push to get middle class alumni to give $100 is misguided. This is a game played by rich folk, and corporate interests.

And that's my biggest beef with everything we are doing in the athletic department. There is no plan.

I am not thrilled with our athletic department either. But your approach is wrong. I do not know if we will turn this around soon, but I can promise we will not if we do not all get off our tail and give what we can. If you do not want to, by all means. But quit trying to talk others out of it.

 

[85Bears]

You're not wrong. But the push to get middle class alumni to give $100 is misguided. This is a game played by rich folk, and corporate interests.

And that's my biggest beef with everything we are doing in the athletic department. There is no plan.

Fitz said the same yesterday.

 

[The Peeper]

Basically no one in this thread is helping the cause. I guess that is to be expected with a free board.

So, "basically" everyone on the pay board is "helping the cause", is that "what is to be expected" from a pay board?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Fitz said the same yesterday.

You really have to hand it to these guys who live in that maroon bubble, man. They are hardcore. They give, support, no matter what spoon-fed BS they are shoveled. Heck they are still members of pay boards and crootin sites. Sometimes I think that 'access' they get is the biggest thrill.

Me personally, I want to win, and I can't support something that contains a premise that I never agreed with in the first place. I don't give a shlt was my BC rank is or what seat I get.

 

[bulldoghair]

Step 1 in any type of rebuild moving forward, is to find someone and give them 3 years to see if said coach can get things at least headed the right direction for the next guy if its a failure.

That’s old way thinking. With the unlimited transfer portal and NIL, things are different. You don’t build programs the same way anymore. Unless you go the route I’m saying and run systems that are different. Create that type of culture.

 

[85Bears]

There are guys who know how to work the portal and its pretty impressive. jed Fish , Cig and whoever Arkansas had working the portal this year probably Petrino. Old salts who can evaluate and see the big picture. Invaluable in this era.

 

[HuntDawg]

That’s old way thinking. With the unlimited transfer portal and NIL, things are different. You don’t build programs the same way anymore. Unless you go the route I’m saying and run systems that are different. Create that type of culture.

things are different. But 4 coaches in 4 years is not the way to go about it. No coach is going to come in thinking that if he doesnt have success year 1 he's going to be fired. Same for assistants coming with said coach.

We are in a unique spot where we need stability. It doesnt matter what systems you are running or anything of that matter... if you are turning over 50% of your roster, 95% of your coaching staff, on a year to year basis you arent going to be successful.

 

[HuntDawg]

There are guys who know how to work the portal and its pretty impressive. jed Fish , Cig and whoever Arkansas had working the portal this year probably Petrino. Old salts who can evaluate and see the big picture. Invaluable in this era.

back to the ol arkansas did it thru the portal.

They'll finish 6-6 with 70% of their starters home grown. such a big turn around from the 4-8 they were last season.

Cig-- funny too. Unless you can bring 14 players from the school you were at. Kinda hard to pull a cig.

Totally clueless poster

 

[Goont]

So, "basically" everyone on the pay board is "helping the cause", is that "what is to be expected" from a pay board?

This is my first time over here. It is clear the common conclusion toward the BI/SEF. So yeah.

 

[Maroon13]

So, "basically" everyone on the pay board is "helping the cause", is that "what is to be expected" from a pay board?

Just go to the pay board and ask.... they'll set you straight. *

I canceled two days in the 7 day trial after reading a post that, Keenum and Selmon should be fired and replaced with posters on that board. No sarcastericks.

 

[The Peeper]

This is my first time over here.

You might want to also check out Gene's Page and Elitedawgs, great bunch of guys at both places......they aren't nearly as grouchy as we are here

 

[paindonthurt17]

Basically no one in this thread is helping the cause. I guess that is to be expected with a free board.

I'm helping. Been helping since before NIL. And i don't ask questions about where my money goes. The people I give to i trust.

I would like a little more transparency with NIL but my ego isn't gonna get in the way.

 

[paindonthurt17]

You're not wrong. But the push to get middle class alumni to give $100 is misguided. This is a game played by rich folk, and corporate interests.

And that's my biggest beef with everything we are doing in the athletic department. There is no plan.

There is a plan. you just think you are smarter than the athletic department. You aren't. You are worse than coach34.

You are also extremely inconsistent across topics. Tends to happen with double digit IQ people.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Fitz said the same yesterday.

Fits isn't exactly a beacon of intelligence.

 

[paindonthurt17]

You really have to hand it to these guys who live in that maroon bubble, man. They are hardcore. They give, support, no matter what spoon-fed BS they are shoveled. Heck they are still members of pay boards and crootin sites. Sometimes I think that 'access' they get is the biggest thrill.

Me personally, I want to win, and I can't support something that contains a premise that I never agreed with in the first place. I don't give a shlt was my BC rank is or what seat I get.

You want things done your way but you have no idea what you are doing.

 

[bulldoghair]

things are different. But 4 coaches in 4 years is not the way to go about it. No coach is going to come in thinking that if he doesnt have success year 1 he's going to be fired. Same for assistants coming with said coach.

We are in a unique spot where we need stability. It doesnt matter what systems you are running or anything of that matter... if you are turning over 50% of your roster, 95% of your coaching staff, on a year to year basis you arent going to be successful.

Again, my opinion is that I don’t care about 4 coaches in 4 years, if I finally see the light and elect to go the route I’ve been talking about. Then when I do, I’d give it plenty of time. Again, in my opinion continuing with Lebby is too common place for who we are and in this new college football landscape.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

There is a plan. you just think you are smarter than the athletic department. You aren't. You are worse than coach34.

You are also extremely inconsistent across topics. Tends to happen with double digit IQ people.

Spill it. Why hasn’t Salmon said it? Why don’t his actions bear anything out besides muh shlt show time?

 

[turkish]

This thread is the example of how state fans love the idea of winning but won’t do what it takes to win. We have soooo many people that look for any and every excuse not to give. Winning is fun until I’m asked to be part of the program attitude. When the landscape changes most fan bases look for ways to embrace the change and use it to their advantage. Look at our rival. Us, oh no not us. We cower, we say it’s another nail in the coffin, we don’t give cause well what’s in it for me. Or this new thing where someone is actually jealous of said player making more than them.
Line in the sand either be part of the solution or continue to be part of problem.

Eh, I’m proud that so many State fans have their priorities in order.

 

[85Bears]

Spill it. Why hasn’t Salmon said it? Why don’t his actions bear anything out besides muh shlt show time?

Its a super secret plan even smarter than the one they rolled out in 2023.
Elite Dawgs is keeping a tight lid on it.

 

[Dawg84]

…..guy has to be full of shlt, right? No way we are that dumb. No donor can keep that garbage up.

What sucks with this NIL crap, is that whatever the amount is, has to be repeated for new players every year. Ridiculous!

 

[85Bears]

What sucks with this NIL crap, is that whatever the amount is, has to be repeated for new players every year. Ridiculous!

This is meant for corporate sponsors and extremely wealthy donors. Middle class mom and pops wont make a dent in it. Pretty much what Fitz said and hes right.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Spill it. Why hasn’t Salmon said it? Why don’t his actions bear anything out besides muh shlt show time?

I’ll let you know when he discusses it with me.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I’ll let you know when he discusses it with me.

Sooooo…..you’re FOS. You said distinctly that he had a plan.