If I could spend an day as a fly on the wall with most players I’d probably decide to quit watching college football. A bunch of guys who deserve minimum wage getting paid like they are makes me want to puke.
Bo Bounds say, we paid Shapen half a mil…..
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This thread is the example of how state fans love the idea of winning but won’t do what it takes to win. We have soooo many people that look for any and every excuse not to give. Winning is fun until I’m asked to be part of the program attitude. When the landscape changes most fan bases look for ways to embrace the change and use it to their advantage. Look at our rival. Us, oh no not us. We cower, we say it’s another nail in the coffin, we don’t give cause well what’s in it for me. Or this new thing where someone is actually jealous of said player making more than them.
Line in the sand either be part of the solution or continue to be part of problem.
Line in the sand either be part of the solution or continue to be part of problem.
I’ve been saying something similar for a couple years now, but there are public documents stating that a Bama booster paid $150-200k for Albert Means, a high school DL, back in 1999.
Anyone thinking that a reputable QB is transferring anywhere in this wild Wild West era of college football for anything less than a half million is kidding themselves. I mean, it could happen, but it ain’t the norm. The big guns are easily north of a million
That was my point months ago. Until there are wholesale changes in the system, I find it hard to believe we will be able to compete in the SEC. But I also understand football pays the bills.
With that being said, if we diverted 10% of our normal football spend to baseball, we could at least potentially have a "winning team" on campus in the big 3 sports.
The major problem with your line of thinking is in expecting "fans" of what can only be classified as entertainment to prioritize their limited resources in an unreasonable fashion. It is not unreasonable for the casual fan to ask himself, "where will I and my family receive the best entertainment experience for each limited entertainment dollar available to us?" It may be that contributing limited entertainment dollars to the mysterious, amorphous world of NIL will never move the needle for that guy (or most similarly situated guys). Way too many other, more enjoyable experiences out there competing for those limited resources.
Same here but there’s so much money being thrown out by the really big programs it might be seen as sustainable. This system needs an overhaul in the worst kind of way but it may never happen.
This is 100% true. When NIL was announced there were 4 threads on here bitching about it. I went to several other SEC boards and there was one negative post on an Arkansas board and that was all I could find.
It's time to do this. We at least have a half-way winning culture in basketball. At least from the fan-driven NIL side of it.
Football is a futile effort. Rev share should take care of this. And then we need to go out and find highly driven guys who need football, and are happy to all get roughly the same amounts and play as a team.
But no, of course not, not at MSU (or sorry, &tate). No way we should be strategic. We finally get that big gift a few months ago and they want it all to go to football, rather than basketball and baseball. SMH. Gotta make sure we one-up Ole Miss, right??
Don't forget that Colorado has allowed high school players to get NIL. Not from colleges but from their high school boosters.
It just strikes me that the vast majority of programs are just going to get worse because even when they find a diamond in the roughage, they'll rarely keep them past year one.
It's in it's infancy, so it's got a long time to play out. We shall see...
I don't think you'll lose nearly as many of those homegrown MS prospects as you think, assuming we have a consistent coach, and they aren't leaving for sheer playing time. The last year was a one-off, most of that was due to Lebby thinking he knew better and running off Leach's players by the dozens.
I think you have the wrong poster. If you find a quote, I'll gladly admit I was wrong, but I can't remember me ever not advocating for going all-in on those two, and trying to find creative niches in football.
My apologies. You were in the convo but not the person pushing back. Again, I apologize.
You may be right regarding us. Just being in the SEC remains a huge help.
It's the have nots outside the biggest leagues that seem hopeless (then again, I guess they are used to living life that way).
Good job of continuing your b!tch fest and again finding ways not try and give to help improve the product on the field.
You come on here every 17ing day spewing nonsense garbage about stuff you know nothing about. And yeah I am regurgitating what Bo says cause it’s based in facts unlike your little ideology. You have complained more than one person on this board yet you give jack **** to the BI/SEF. You spend more time and energy being negative and trying to find ways not to give a dime , than trying to do anything positive. GOAT you are part of the problem.
Athletics in general at State are doing very good. Soccer Golf Volleyball both Basketball teams Track and Baseball is coming back this year. The only crap team we have is football and football is King. We don't get TV money because we have a great volleyball team. Football has to improve or we need yo step down to the Sunbelt.
Football is where it is because our decision makers are horrible. The decisions made after Coach Leach passed starting the descent into the sewer.
Yep. But instead of attacking that fact, we are told to throw more money at the problem. 17777777 that
I completely respect your judgmental pearl clutching.
I am ashamed.
Let me whip out my checkbook…
On second thought, I choose to deflect your blame to you since your vast sums of foolishly donated money was squandered on a broken and untenable system producing the cluster17 abortion the rest of us are forced to endure.
It’s like you parade yourself as a benevolent benefactor whose support has realistically ruined a once wonderful and watchable network, like MTV, and have turned it into manufactured reality show where overpaid hired guns are just flung hastily into a dysfunctional reality show no one wants to watch, and yet, the show goes on. Instead of real people playing because they love it, raw and unplugged, we now have Jesey Shore, and every team is littered with Situations.
At least these well-funded underachievers and their handlers get to have to most expensive masturbation ritual in the entire state when they get to beat off this week.
And let me add that another major issue with the previously mentioned line of thinking is that it seems to be based on an assumption that the people complaining aren’t giving.
I am not wealthy, and my annual donation pools a portion of my family’s money together. Nonetheless, I’ve given $10k this year, another $3k for tickets, and I kid you not…. I got a president’s circle letter this week that asked if I could find another $10k to donate before the end of the year. It is abso-17ing-lutely out of control.
MSU football right now is like having an unruly kid whose room is disaster, who is failing school, and that won’t go get a job. All while you’re spending thousands every month to put food on the table, clothes on his back, and a roof over his head. Then, when you ask him what you could do to help him get out of this rut, the response is… how about $10k cash? But don’t ask me a damn question about what I’m gonna do with it
There are people in this thread that complain about crowds at basketball games and never go. Yet seem to have all the athletic departments problems solved.
Football is king and will remain king. To attempt to do anything other than field the best possible football team you can field... is a terrible option for all parties involved.
Its the equivalent of a major league baseball team giving its big league team just enough money to field a team, while the single A and double A teams are living above the curve. Plus anyone that thinks we can compete on a basketball level with just a little more NIL money is drinking some good stuff.
Football is king and will remain king. To attempt to do anything other than field the best possible football team you can field... is a terrible option for all parties involved.
Its the equivalent of a major league baseball team giving its big league team just enough money to field a team, while the single A and double A teams are living above the curve. Plus anyone that thinks we can compete on a basketball level with just a little more NIL money is drinking some good stuff.
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I admit, I'm not part of the solution.
But, you're not going to sit there and tell my I'm part of the problem because I had absolutely nothing to do w/ creating this cluster 17 of a system that college football has become. Really? You think I'm the problem because I didn't start automatically writing checks out w/out agreeing to because you think I should???? I had no problem whatsoever with businesses signing/paying a player to do a tv commercial, radio spot, make some buck$ off of a replica jersey, sign some autographs, conduct some clinics, etc. You know "NIL" name, image, likeness?
But who was it that agreed to just start writing checks to them in the first place before they step foot on campus and earn anything? They are the "problem" that you speak of. A system w/ no caps, no accountability, no rules, just write the check and we'll figure it out later. It's almost impossible to cram the toothpaste back into the tube once you've opened the lid and squeezed it all out too so all of those saying "it will correct itself", ok good luck with that.
Money is the answer. But we don’t have it compared to the rest of the SEC. So now where do you go from there? That’s why I keep proposing to be different schematically with coaches on both sides of the ball that think outside the box or run a way less common system. Sure you may say, well that will only get you so far and may have a ceiling. Well, we’re not going to win the national championship now in football, so why don’t we be realistic and live in that reality, and do the best we can with the resources we can. We have to brand ourselves accordingly, and “showtime” ain’t it. So with this said, I would argue that people like you are the problem because you can’t see or accept this reality, and thus don’t understand the need for gorilla warfare
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Giving a coach 3-4 years to get somethings put into place is the answer. If you arent sold on Lebby, I can support that. But the answer before we start talking about money, NIL, and all that other jazz is to get some stabilitiy in the program, in the staff. Lets build some of those recruiting pipeline back and let a staff and coach put their plan into place.
Fixing this program isnt going to be a 1 year deal... at some point.. gotta give someone some time to do it. And even if its not exactly what we want, we'll be in a better place than playing musicial chairs with the staff and program.
My last post on this thread but let me outline a few things that may just be factual information that most fans don’t grasp.
1. The biggest reason we are in this situation is the fact we had a very very poor AD , who didn’t embrace the NIL situation. He thought I’d best to take a stance that it wasn’t gonna be this big thing. He there zero support behind what is now the BI.
2. Said AD put resources into non revenue sports including a small but significant addition of DNF, meanwhile he neglected DWS (upgrades including new lights and sound stud ten) Seal building (IPF), and disaster of a hump renovation
3. Said AD mismanaged a coaching search not once but twice. Moorhead was a disaster and let’s not forget he was about to pull the trigger on Joe Judge before the Giants stepped in. Had it not been for others Leach wouldn’t have been here .
4. Leach and Cohen together not embracing NIl and again they were not supportive of fund raising for future NIL projects
5. Miss evals in recruiting by Leach and Dave Emerick on the OL, Dl and secondary. This is a huge issue now and why we are having to take so many jucos to supplement our roster
6. Leach passing . We should have but the bullet and went out and made an actual football hire and not knee jerked reacted. But lack of vision from Braky caused this. MK at least made sure we were protected with meathead Arnett contract
7. Lack of recruiting from most of ZA staff from Oct to when Lebbys hired
8. Lack of ground game “tampering” with Lebbys staff Since they got a later start in recruiting due to the hiring. Most players thst entered portal had an idea of where they were going. This was on going while Lebby was recruiting and trying to put together a staff
We are in a better place this year than we were last year and will perform better in evals and portal recruiting. Thanks to those that have givin
10. Hiring an unproven DC and retaining DT
11. While the BI/SEF is in a good place right now we still don’t have total buy in we still don’t have fans pulling the same way. We have fans more concerned with what it will do for them than actually helping grow the product
last thing .ask yourself this if the roles were were reversed. What would OM do. They would roll up there sleeves open up there pocket and donate to be sure they were competing they wouldn’t sit back like some of our fans are doing
1. The biggest reason we are in this situation is the fact we had a very very poor AD , who didn’t embrace the NIL situation. He thought I’d best to take a stance that it wasn’t gonna be this big thing. He there zero support behind what is now the BI.
2. Said AD put resources into non revenue sports including a small but significant addition of DNF, meanwhile he neglected DWS (upgrades including new lights and sound stud ten) Seal building (IPF), and disaster of a hump renovation
3. Said AD mismanaged a coaching search not once but twice. Moorhead was a disaster and let’s not forget he was about to pull the trigger on Joe Judge before the Giants stepped in. Had it not been for others Leach wouldn’t have been here .
4. Leach and Cohen together not embracing NIl and again they were not supportive of fund raising for future NIL projects
5. Miss evals in recruiting by Leach and Dave Emerick on the OL, Dl and secondary. This is a huge issue now and why we are having to take so many jucos to supplement our roster
6. Leach passing . We should have but the bullet and went out and made an actual football hire and not knee jerked reacted. But lack of vision from Braky caused this. MK at least made sure we were protected with meathead Arnett contract
7. Lack of recruiting from most of ZA staff from Oct to when Lebbys hired
8. Lack of ground game “tampering” with Lebbys staff Since they got a later start in recruiting due to the hiring. Most players thst entered portal had an idea of where they were going. This was on going while Lebby was recruiting and trying to put together a staff
We are in a better place this year than we were last year and will perform better in evals and portal recruiting. Thanks to those that have givin
10. Hiring an unproven DC and retaining DT
11. While the BI/SEF is in a good place right now we still don’t have total buy in we still don’t have fans pulling the same way. We have fans more concerned with what it will do for them than actually helping grow the product
last thing .ask yourself this if the roles were were reversed. What would OM do. They would roll up there sleeves open up there pocket and donate to be sure they were competing they wouldn’t sit back like some of our fans are doing
I am not sold on Lebby for the reasons I listed above. I feel the schemes he has chosen to go with offensively, defensively, and special teams, are too common place. Were a generic version of most everyone else but with less money and talent. We’re like the great value brand. Most of those teams see something similar at their own practices except with better players. I’m sure Lebby and Hutzler wouod show to be good coaches with a 15 million dollar roster.
Maybe I really don't want to know, but I'm somewhat curious to know nationally how closely NIL coffers are correlated to demographics. If it is, then there's a ceiling to our success.
The whole NIL and pay for play thing would be a lot easier to stomach if they just gave up the "student/athlete" pretense. Go ahead and have a minor league team representing the school, don't require or even allow them to go to class (do away with majors invented primarily for athletes), and admit where things are these days. As it is, paying players on top of free tuition (both in state and out of state), free food, free medical care, free housing just isn't palatable. A university is an educational institution, and sports is supposed to be a relief valve for entertainment for the students. What we have now is unsustainable at any school. My opinion might be somewhat tainted by living in Alabama and being around all the crazy Alabama fans who are living their lives vicariously through a professional team at a school campus they've never set foot on, so there is that.
I thought it was a bit amusing a few days ago when USC was put on probation for having too many coaches on the field. That's so minor that it doesn't even tip the scale when you openly have professional athletes on the school team.
I thought it was a bit amusing a few days ago when USC was put on probation for having too many coaches on the field. That's so minor that it doesn't even tip the scale when you openly have professional athletes on the school team.
Needs four and five star talent, works at Oklahoma when they are in the big 12 and can out talent everybody. Not really a great fit for this program.
If you have the right coach, this is the right answer. If you have the wrong coach, this is the worst thing you could possibly do.
Again I'm not saying lebby is or isnt the answer. Its too soon to tell IMO. He inherited a mess. I feel like we should be better than we are, but thats just my opinion.
We've had 3 coaches in 3 years. If we fire lebby now it'll be 4 in 4 years. That just isnt a way to go about doing anything. Step 1 in any type of rebuild moving forward, is to find someone and give them 3 years to see if said coach can get things at least headed the right direction for the next guy if its a failure.
Plus again, its not like we are going to have anyone worth a darn wanting to come coach here.
Not really. I mean the wrong coach would have to be way wrong to screw up what we have going right now.
Programs need stability. the "right coach" isnt going to come in an take over a spot where he's got to do 3-4 years of work to fix the problem. Right now we just need to basic problems fixed so that the "right" coach looks at it and says.. yeah, OK i see that can be a good spot for me.
Its like a car that is in shambles under someones garage. The good mechanic doesnt have time to work on it because there are much better and simplier cars he can work on and get paid. However if you can get it up to snuff and shine it up a little, fix what you can fix.. now that good mechanic doesnt mind taking the job.
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