Brutal takedown of the state of college athletics

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This article says everything I'm thinking:


One of the better excerpts:
"When whatever’s going to happen finally happens, the long descent of college athletics into one of America’s most contemptible institutions will be complete. The life’s work of clueless college presidents, soulless conference commissioners and greedy athletics administrators will be the ruin of tradition, the mockery of common sense and the thirst to keep score in dollars above all other metrics.

Look at the dysfunctional industry they’ve built around one of the best on-field products in the world. Look at their determination to ruin what so many people enjoyed for so long. Look at what a shambolic mess College Sports Inc. has shown itself to be this week, throwing itself into a panic spiral that is likely to end with something none of them really wanted in the first place.

… We have 40 years of data telling us exactly where this enterprise is heading, and nobody is going to like it except the handful of schools at the very top. That’s the existential crisis at hand: Not NIL, not making players employees, not the transfer portal or anything like that but rather the very idea that your university is disposable if it’s not one of the top 30 revenue-generators.

There are a lot of reasons it happened this way, but mostly because college sports changed from a small business to a bloated, self-indulgent industry where administrators could expect close to a seven-figure annual salary, getting wined and dined at five-star resorts and a level of fame that fed their voracious egos if they rose high enough in the industry."

Serious question raised by the article for us to consider: Given the direction college football is rapidly heading, how long do you think the likes of Alabama and UGA will be content to share equal revenue with the likes of South Carolina?

If we've learned anything, it's that greed always wins. Always. The rush to concentrate the money at the top is accelerating ever faster. Realistically, where will that leave us? What this is showing us is that nobody's going to be content. Expansion isn't the end. It's merely a symptom.
 
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This article says everything I'm thinking:


Serious question raised by the article: Given the direction college football is rapidly heading, how long do you think the likes of Alabama and UGA will be content to share equal revenue with the likes of South Carolina?
Anyone who believes that day will never come is practicing self deception on a large scale.
 

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Anyone who believes that day will never come is practicing self deception on a large scale.

The rot started, innocently enough, back in the 90s. Depending on who you ask, it was one of two events that (or likely both combined);
1. Notre Dame's 1991 contract with NBC
2. Bobby Bowden's 1995 contract becoming college football first million-dollar coach.
 
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Serious question raised by the article: Given the direction college football is rapidly heading, how long do you think the likes of Alabama and UGA will be content to share equal revenue with the likes of South Carolina?
If this is the end game, expansion is not the answer, independency is the path for those at the top to get what they think they are worth! Top teams will market themselves from an independent elite "conference" and schedule themselves against opponents who will net them a victory combined with the best broadcast payoff $$$. Those not in that elite group may form conference alliances to share expenses and income and schedule opponents.
 
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This article says everything I'm thinking:


One of the better excerpts:
"When whatever’s going to happen finally happens, the long descent of college athletics into one of America’s most contemptible institutions will be complete. The life’s work of clueless college presidents, soulless conference commissioners and greedy athletics administrators will be the ruin of tradition, the mockery of common sense and the thirst to keep score in dollars above all other metrics.

Look at the dysfunctional industry they’ve built around one of the best on-field products in the world. Look at their determination to ruin what so many people enjoyed for so long. Look at what a shambolic mess College Sports Inc. has shown itself to be this week, throwing itself into a panic spiral that is likely to end with something none of them really wanted in the first place.

… We have 40 years of data telling us exactly where this enterprise is heading, and nobody is going to like it except the handful of schools at the very top. That’s the existential crisis at hand: Not NIL, not making players employees, not the transfer portal or anything like that but rather the very idea that your university is disposable if it’s not one of the top 30 revenue-generators.

There are a lot of reasons it happened this way, but mostly because college sports changed from a small business to a bloated, self-indulgent industry where administrators could expect close to a seven-figure annual salary, getting wined and dined at five-star resorts and a level of fame that fed their voracious egos if they rose high enough in the industry."

Serious question raised by the article for us to consider: Given the direction college football is rapidly heading, how long do you think the likes of Alabama and UGA will be content to share equal revenue with the likes of South Carolina?

If we've learned anything, it's that greed always wins. Always. The rush to concentrate the money at the top is accelerating ever faster. Realistically, where will that leave us? What this is showing us is that nobody's going to be content. Expansion isn't the end. It's merely a symptom.
So where is it again bama and uga would go to make more money? All of these conferences are bitching about equity or getting their fair share by some of the better teams are conferences that no one wants to join other than lesser schools. Those conferences are falling apart.

So would Bama go to the big 10? Do you really think that conference pays them more than they’re making now and more than other schools in the Conference?

maybe Georgia can go to the Pac 12 negotiate a larger chunk of the pie. I’m sure their fans would love to play Utah State or whoever.
 
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Money talks. If you think for one second that UGA or Bama give a hoot about us when it comes down to dollars and cents, you’re deluded.

Oregon and Oregon State had been in the Pac 12 together since 1915. How much do you think Oregon cared about Oregon State when they were splitting for Big 10 money? They hung them out to dry without a second thought.

Unequal revenue sharing is an inevitability.
 

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This article says everything I'm thinking:


One of the better excerpts:
"When whatever’s going to happen finally happens, the long descent of college athletics into one of America’s most contemptible institutions will be complete. The life’s work of clueless college presidents, soulless conference commissioners and greedy athletics administrators will be the ruin of tradition, the mockery of common sense and the thirst to keep score in dollars above all other metrics.

Look at the dysfunctional industry they’ve built around one of the best on-field products in the world. Look at their determination to ruin what so many people enjoyed for so long. Look at what a shambolic mess College Sports Inc. has shown itself to be this week, throwing itself into a panic spiral that is likely to end with something none of them really wanted in the first place.

… We have 40 years of data telling us exactly where this enterprise is heading, and nobody is going to like it except the handful of schools at the very top. That’s the existential crisis at hand: Not NIL, not making players employees, not the transfer portal or anything like that but rather the very idea that your university is disposable if it’s not one of the top 30 revenue-generators.

There are a lot of reasons it happened this way, but mostly because college sports changed from a small business to a bloated, self-indulgent industry where administrators could expect close to a seven-figure annual salary, getting wined and dined at five-star resorts and a level of fame that fed their voracious egos if they rose high enough in the industry."

Serious question raised by the article for us to consider: Given the direction college football is rapidly heading, how long do you think the likes of Alabama and UGA will be content to share equal revenue with the likes of South Carolina?

If we've learned anything, it's that greed always wins. Always. The rush to concentrate the money at the top is accelerating ever faster. Realistically, where will that leave us? What this is showing us is that nobody's going to be content. Expansion isn't the end. It's merely a symptom.
Oh, we're so screwed. But we deserve to be. We've had over a hundred years to get good at this. If we've come up short, then that's on us. Alabama and Louisiana aren't much as states.
 
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So would Bama go to the big 10? Do you really think that conference pays them more than they’re making now and more than other schools in the Conference?

I get your point, and agree. But doesn't the B10 pay more per school?

Not that it won't change in the future, and not that I think Bama would ever lea e the sec.
 
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By the way, the Big 12 just signed up Utah and Arizona State. They are the Big 16 now, and not lower than third best conference in the country. They might climb higher.
 
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So where is it again bama and uga would go to make more money? All of these conferences are bitching about equity or getting their fair share by some of the better teams are conferences that no one wants to join other than lesser schools. Those conferences are falling apart.

So would Bama go to the big 10? Do you really think that conference pays them more than they’re making now and more than other schools in the Conference?

maybe Georgia can go to the Pac 12 negotiate a larger chunk of the pie. I’m sure their fans would love to play Utah State or whoever.
Alabama doesn’t have to go anywhere. All they have to do is tell the SEC equal revenue sharing doesn’t make sense when they’re going to the CFP and winning titles and other programs are going to Music City Bowl.

And, frankly, unequal revenue sharing does make the most sense. Why should a three win team get the same amount of money as the team that went to the playoffs? Everyone is laser focused on revenue, and eventually that gaze is going to turn on who adds value to the conference.
 

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Alabama doesn’t have to go anywhere. All they have to do is tell the SEC equal revenue sharing doesn’t make sense when they’re going to the CFP and winning titles and other programs are going to Music City Bowl.

And, frankly, unequal revenue sharing does make the most sense. Why should a three win team get the same amount of money as the team that went to the playoffs? Everyone is laser focused on revenue, and eventually that gaze is going to turn on who adds value to the conference.
So I ask you again… The only leverage Alabama can use the force unequal revenue is the threat of leaving. So where would they go. Do you think the Big Ten would pay them unequal revenue? Or maybe they go to the big 12 and ask for unequal revenue. So sure they can ask for it and the SEC can tell them to go kick rocks. Do you think they would actually leave? I highly doubt it.
 
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Money talks. If you think for one second that UGA or Bama give a hoot about us when it comes down to dollars and cents, you’re deluded.

Oregon and Oregon State had been in the Pac 12 together since 1915. How much do you think Oregon cared about Oregon State when they were splitting for Big 10 money? They hung them out to dry without a second thought.

Unequal revenue sharing is an inevitability.
No one is saying UGA or Bama give a hoot about South Carolina. But they do give a hoot about the SEC and the rivalries they have. The SEC is what helped them get to the Heights they are in. So if UGA and Bama can make more money in the pack 12 then see you later. Or better yet maybe they can jump to the big 12. You see no other conference can pay them what they are getting right now. Like I said the only leverage they have is leaving. Do you actually think if Georgia becomes an independent they will not go backwards?
 
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If unequal revenue sharing were to become the norm, conferences would then start poaching schools which felt undervalued with promises of higher shares. Now, you talk about a mess! Then you'd have the equivalent of NIL in force, but targeting schools instead of players.
 
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No one is saying UGA or Bama give a hoot about South Carolina. But they do give a hoot about the SEC and the rivalries they have. The SEC is what helped them get to the Heights they are in. So if UGA and Bama can make more money in the pack 12 then see you later. Or better yet maybe they can jump to the big 12. You see no other conference can pay them what they are getting right now. Like I said the only leverage they have is leaving. Do you actually think if Georgia becomes an independent they will not go backwards?
I've seen a lot of things happen that I could never have visualized, but I do believe that the core of the SEC will be in the SEC when Jesus comes.
 

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Alabama doesn’t have to go anywhere. All they have to do is tell the SEC equal revenue sharing doesn’t make sense when they’re going to the CFP and winning titles and other programs are going to Music City Bowl.

And, frankly, unequal revenue sharing does make the most sense. Why should a three win team get the same amount of money as the team that went to the playoffs? Everyone is laser focused on revenue, and eventually that gaze is going to turn on who adds value to the conference.
Isn't that the general concept of conference affiliation? To share among members? Otherwise, why even be IN a conference?

But, money is like sex. Only too much is enough.
 

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Not a chance?
If you don't want to share and you want everything you earn to be yours - you go out on your own.
Many a salesman didn't like sharing his sales with the boss and started his own business - the American way (for now)!

To counter this move and get the top salesman to stay, the boss pays the top salesman big bucks or makes him a partner and gives him a proportionate share of the earnings.

The SEC could go either way!
 
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So I ask you again… The only leverage Alabama can use the force unequal revenue is the threat of leaving. So where would they go. Do you think the Big Ten would pay them unequal revenue? Or maybe they go to the big 12 and ask for unequal revenue. So sure they can ask for it and the SEC can tell them to go kick rocks. Do you think they would actually leave? I highly doubt it.
They don’t have to do anything. They’re Alabama. Maybe they would bluff and say they are exploring independence or something. Who knows? When it comes down to it, how much do you think the SEC cares about us versus Alabama?


Isn't that the general concept of conference affiliation? To share among members? Otherwise, why even be IN a conference?

But, money is like sex. Only too much is enough.
All the old paradigms are changing. The game is now a business, and money is the objective. Sad but true.

Your last statement says it all. People are going money crazy and enough is never enough. The powers that be at the big boys schools WILL eventually start to look at discrepancies between value to the conference and wonder why Vanderbilt gets as much money as Georgia.
 
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If the last several years have taught us anything, it’s that nothing is too sacred in college football to be bought. Many things in college football were thought to be sort of untouchable. That’s just simply not the case any longer.

30 years ago it was unthinkable that college football players would be able to openly earn money.
 

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I could see the Bama and GA elite 1% money donors wanting to feed their egos. Use their influence to say we want to go our own way. I could see them thinking that due to what their $$$ brings to the school.

If that started, we would find out what influence us the avg joes finally have in this process

Unfortunately I hate to say history has shown not much. Easy example is pricing devoted fans and donors out with ticket prices and added fees

Like the article highlighted history be damned show me the $$$.
 
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Alabama doesn’t have to go anywhere. All they have to do is tell the SEC equal revenue sharing doesn’t make sense when they’re going to the CFP and winning titles and other programs are going to Music City Bowl.

And, frankly, unequal revenue sharing does make the most sense. Why should a three win team get the same amount of money as the team that went to the playoffs? Everyone is laser focused on revenue, and eventually that gaze is going to turn on who adds value to the conference.
Especially when employee status for players comes to fruition....and I don't believe that is more than 5 years away. The schools will want to pay those players and those players who win championships are more valuable.
 

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Especially when employee status for players comes to fruition....and I don't believe that is more than 5 years away. The schools will want to pay those players and those players who win championships are more valuable.
Yep. That is the next real major domino to fall, and it seems all but inevitable at this point.
 

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I could see the Bama and GA elite 1% money donors wanting to feed their egos. Use their influence to say we want to go our own way. I could see them thinking that due to what their $$$ brings to the school.

If that started, we would find out what influence us the avg joes finally have in this process

Unfortunately I hate to say history has shown not much. Easy example is pricing devoted fans and donors out with ticket prices and added fees

Like the article highlighted history be damned show me the $$$.
The other conferences and sec could easily freeze out playng bama and uga then they would simply be independent along with ND with no one major to play except each other. They don’t control everything. I love the doomsayers
 

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The other conferences and sec could easily freeze out playng bama and uga then they would simply be independent along with ND with no one major to play except each other. They don’t control everything. I love the doomsayers
Players are getting paid to play. Openly. Within a few years they will be employees. It’s the new world of college football. You may not love our position in the New World but it is what it is. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 

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If you don't want to share and you want everything you earn to be yours - you go out on your own.
Many a salesman didn't like sharing his sales with the boss and started his own business - the American way (for now)!

To counter this move and get the top salesman to stay, the boss pays the top salesman big bucks or makes him a partner and gives him a proportionate share of the earnings.

The SEC could go either way!
Independence sounds good until you try to schedule 12 games. Who are you going to play? If they go independent they will be lucky if Florida plays them.
 

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Independence sounds good until you try to schedule 12 games. Who are you going to play? If they go independent they will be lucky if Florida plays them.
That's where the TV $$$$'s come into play!
 

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The other conferences and sec could easily freeze out playng bama and uga then they would simply be independent along with ND with no one major to play except each other. They don’t control everything. I love the doomsayers

I've been waiting for someone to freeze out ND for decades, forcing them to join a conference, but it never happened.
 

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Bottom line:
Conference administrators are ceding control over their entire athletic departments to the whims of TV execs.
What we are witnessing is the slow but inevitable change to how CFB operates to being unrecognizable as we know it today.
 

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Bottom line:
Conference administrators are ceding control over their entire athletic departments to the whims of TV execs.
What we are witnessing is the slow but inevitable change to how CFB operates to being unrecognizable as we know it today.
Well, we're already there. I would say "as we USED to know it".
 
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The power of TV in college football started innocently enough (begin using the new tech for sporting audiences), expanding that power, and then
becoming, in my opinion, the manipulator of what created their never ending control of the sport itself. I believe the money grab involves all
parties, not just TV providers. Nobody wants to be left out.

When was the first college football game on TV?​


The first game to shoot across television screens came on Sept. 30, 1939, when Fordham hosted Waynesburg for a season-opener. The game was broadcast by NBC on W2XBS. Fordham, a powerhouse football program at the time, won, 34-7. The number of viewers was estimated to be between 500-5,000.

September 29, 1951…Two College Football Television Firsts​



September 29, 1951…Two College Football Television Firsts
Did you know CBS and NBC made television history the same day? On September 29, 1951 NBC gave us the first live sporting event broadcast coast-to-coast, a college football game between Duke University and the University of Pittsburgh.
Later the same day, CBS broadcast the first college football game in color, between the University of California and the University of Pennsylvania, at Philadelphia. CBS was using their Field Sequential System. There were only a precious few sets able to receive the color signal, and the game was broadcast only in a few test markets.


One major legal challenge occurred in 1984 that involved universities, televised college football and the NCAA. This seems to be the watershed event that started an enormous money grab by all parties involved. This is long, but I didn't want to leave out anything that might be important.

Supreme Court Breaks NCAA Hold On Televised College Football Games

By Fred Barbash

June 28, 1984

The Supreme Court yesterday broke more than 30 years of control by the National Collegiate Athletic Association of college football telecasts, freeing individual universities to make television deals and opening national and local airwaves to games previously kept off the air.

The court said the NCAA regulatory plan, which strictly limited the number and viewing times of games telecast and prevented schools from negotiating television contracts, restricts competition and violates federal antitrust laws.

The universities of Oklahoma and Georgia, both football powerhouses, challenged the NCAA plan, saying they believed that they could earn more money if freed from strict limits on numbers of their games available for television.

The restrictions are "inconsistent with the fundamental goal of antitrust law," Justice John Paul Stevens said for the 7-to-2 majority because they reduce "the importance of consumer preference."

Under the ruling, which has no effect on the televising of professional or other college sports, the college football television market will be open to free competition for the first time.

Lawyers said yesterday that the decision, supported by the Justice Department, means generally that more college football will be televised, including more games involving celebrated teams and more games of local or regional interest.

Last season, 242 games were televised live nationally or regionally. No one interviewed yesterday could say exactly how many more games will be televised this fall or what the ruling's long-range impact might be on the sport.

The decision is expected to hurt schools with small football programs. Under the NCAA plan, some occasionally were awarded network television exposure and shared the revenue.

The decision invalidates NCAA contracts with ABC, CBS and cable television's Turner Broadcasting System worth hundreds of millions of dollars. NBC, which has not televised live college football in years, said yesterday that it is too late for it to arrange such coverage this fall but that it will explore future possibilities.

NBC also said it now sees a need for "some type of umbrella organization that can create order out of the chaos that is impending."

Along with college football's major powers, independent networks, local stations and cable operators should benefit from the decision. They were sometimes barred from televising college football because the NCAA awarded exclusive rights to the major networks or decreed that televising a local game might diminish attendance at nearby games.

Michael Ortman of Home Team Sports, a regional pay cable network here, said HTS will try to televise regional games, including the University of Virginia's games against Navy and Virginia Tech. Sandra Pastoor, programming director at WTTG here, said Channel 5 is interested in talking with the University of Maryland about televising its games.

"My general observation," said J. Laurent Scharff, who represented the Association of Independent Television Stations in a friend-of-the-court brief, "is that you are going to see a lot more college football games on television in addition to the games carried on the national networks. They may be carried by individual local stations, by regional or even larger ad hoc networks" and on cable television, he said.

"It will be very much like college basketball," said Andy Coats, who represented Oklahoma and Georgia before the court. "Someone will put together a national package. Someone will put together a regional package." Then local stations will be free to pick up any games not booked, he said.

"It's very disappointing, of course. It looks like we've got problems," said George H. Gangwere, a lawyer for the NCAA.. He said he is still studying the ruling to determine whether any NCAA authority to regulate telecasts survived.

The NCAA, the national supervisory authority for almost all major-college athletics, began exerting control over television broadcasts in 1950, when games first began appearing on television regularly. It was largely concerned about the telecasts' effect on attendance, on the theory that fans would stay home and watch televised games instead of traveling to local stadiums.

In 1981, Oklahoma and Georgia took on the system, negotiating a million-dollar contract with NBC through the newly formed College Football Association, composed of most major collegiate football powers. Coats said the schools were concerned about declining football revenue, which he said is used to support overall athletic programs.

When the NCAA, defending its contracts with ABC and CBS, threatened the schools with disciplinary action, Oklahoma and Georgia successfully sued in U.S. District Court. The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the schools, and the NCAA appealed to the Supreme Court.

The NCAA grants networks the right to televise games but does not decree which ones. Broadcasters decide that, then negotiate with each school for television rights.

But, exercising its control over member schools, the NCAA carefully limits how many games may be televised each season and establishes the price for television contracts. It also limits a team to six live television appearances over two seasons.

Justice Stevens said the NCAA plan violates the Sherman Act prohibition against antitrust conspiracies. Individual competitors, the colleges, "lose their freedom to compete," he said.

"At the same time, the television plan eliminates competitors from the market, since only those broadcasters able to bid on television rights covering the entire NCAA can compete," he said. " . . . Many telecasts that would occur in a competitive market are foreclosed by the NCAA plan."

Most significantly, he said, the price of contracts is increased artificially while the number of programs is decreased.

Stevens rejected such NCAA justifications for the plan as the argument that it protects attendance and helps balance football competition among schools. Even if they were true, he said, "good motives will not validate an otherwise anticompetitive practice."

He also rejected NCAA claims that it does not control the television football market and thus is incapable of exercising monopoly power. Stevens said that the NCAA does control the market and that, even if it did not, that would be irrelevant.

More than conventional business litigants in antitrust cases, the NCAA has leeway to coordinate activities among member schools, he said.

The plan is not automatically illegal, he said. But "by curtailing output and blunting the ability of member institutions to respond to consumer preference, the NCAA has restricted rather than enhanced the place of intercollegiate athletics in the nation's life," Stevens said.

Justices Byron R. White, an All-America running back known as "Whizzer" White at the University of Colorado, and William H. Rehnquist dissented. White said the court incorrectly treated the NCAA plan as a "purely commercial venture" undertaken "in pursuit of profits."

The plan "fosters the goal of amateurism by spreading revenues among various schools and reducing the financial incentives towards professionalism," White said. " . . . When these values are factored into the balance, the NCAA's television plan seems eminently reasonable."


The Justice Department had asked the court to adopt just the position it took yesterday, declaring the plan illegal based on a limited analysis of its economic impact rather than holding it automatically illegal under the antitrust law.

The government called this a "middle ground" between the "two extremes" of prohibiting such arrangements in all circumstances and conducting protracted economic analyses of their impact.
 

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I don’t understand why people would want to give money to these kids. If they need to be paid it should be done my the school or the conference. It’s my understanding they were all getting around $13k every year anyway, not to mention having their school paid for. I’m a huge fan of football but all this is going to kill the college game.
 
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I've been waiting for someone to freeze out ND for decades, forcing them to join a conference, but it never happened.
But you also saw they went downhill from being an actual power on the field. Think how long Florida State has been down, or Miami, or several other schools. Things are not set in stone forever.
 

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I long for the day when you tuned in to sports radio and all the discussion was about the game, the players and coaches. Now over half the discussion is about money and who is being paid what and revenue and worth of a pro team or college program. Same can be said for a forum about your favorite school and it’s program, players and coaches. Now it’s down in high school sports. Sad.$$$ corrupts and there’s no better example than sports.
 
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I long for the day when you tuned in to sports radio and all the discussion was about the game, the players and coaches. Now over half the discussion is about money and who is being paid what and revenue and worth of a pro team or college program. Same can be said for a forum about your favorite school and it’s program, players and coaches. Now it’s down in high school sports. Sad.$$$ corrupts and there’s no better example than sports.

Very true. The game has become entirely monetized. It is fully a business.

The odd thing, nobody involved seems to really like it. I have yet to hear many fans who like the direction it's heading. You don't hear many coaches offering full support for it. Those who do speak will lament the loss of tradition. Most see expansion as bad for the history and tradition of the game. History and tradition have long been essential components of college football. The vast majority of articles I read are written from the perspective that all the changes are detrimental to the game.

But it keeps moving forward, in spite of the fact that nobody seems to really want to see it happen. Even some of those who say they don't like expansion on the one hand, will panic and say the SEC needs to get involved with further expansion to ensure survival (whatever that means).
 
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Alabama doesn’t have to go anywhere. All they have to do is tell the SEC equal revenue sharing doesn’t make sense when they’re going to the CFP and winning titles and other programs are going to Music City Bowl.

And, frankly, unequal revenue sharing does make the most sense. Why should a three win team get the same amount of money as the team that went to the playoffs? Everyone is laser focused on revenue, and eventually that gaze is going to turn on who adds value to the conference.
That wouldn't work in the SEC simply b/c there have been so many programs that have won NCs over the last 20 years. FSU and Clem can pull that argument off in the ACC. There hasn't been another ACC program to sniff that success in a very, very long time.

I think equal distribution makes perfect sense. You want all members to have access to capital to improve their programs. Even though they are competing on the field, they're doing so under the same umbrella. The rising tide lifts all boats. Having said that, I think there should be a minimum annual investment into the football program for all members. You shouldn't just get to squirrel all that money away, or send it all to the academic side.