CFB is dead! Our attendance problem isn’t just a MSU problem!**
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You can’t control how thousands of people want to give. But our bigger weakness is that there are tens of thousands that don’t want to give at all.
One issue is we have too many fans who (for whatever reason) are negative about our school, town and especially our players. It makes no sense. The OM folks I know are the opposite, the are overly positive about their town, school and program
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You can't continually build a large alumni base when a significant share of your graduates move out of state to find work. Over time their children will attend college in their transplant state and each generation will become more distant from the motherland of MSU. But still, a consistently winning program must come before sell-outs and record ticket sells which is even doable for MSU.
Just when I think you can’t get any dumber you post this…
Yes, basketball should get some NIL but baseball is an Olympic non revenue sport and a very very small amount of NIL should go to it. We need to invest majorly of NIL into football. You are po ol state guy
Let’s be honest, dumping everything in football is swimming upstream.
Sooo.....you agree with my post? Not sure what your point is, you're literally restating what I said (and that multiple people are calling me dumb about).
I’m indifferent. I personally think putting a big chunk into a lesser point would be a good idea. We dont have the money to consistently compete in football. Like I said before, we could spend every dime we have in football and we’d still end up a 6-7 win team in the new SEC era. Honestly, there isn’t a right answer in our case. I’m empathetic at this point.
Agree , if all eggs are put in the football basket, it still places you in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC in NIL $$$. That will guarantee you are bad in every sport. this will become self evident to the doubters over the next 2-3 seasons.
Ultimately we’ve just done a poor job of managing the program since Mullen left. Moorhead sucked. Leach wasn’t bad but failed to embrace NIL and a not small portion of our fans were never sold on his playing style. Arnett was in way over his head.
We’ve gotta stop being a revolving door of head coaches and get some stability with a guy who wins and does so in an engaging way. I hope that’s Lebby but obviously it’s TBD.
We’ve gotta stop being a revolving door of head coaches and get some stability with a guy who wins and does so in an engaging way. I hope that’s Lebby but obviously it’s TBD.
do You think a head coach “embracing NIL“ is what fills the coffers with money ? is Lebby embracing NIL ? If he is why is our NIL near the bottom of the sec ?
Is there really any reason to piss on a dead man in this thread? I'm quite sure you can find other examples to further your argument dude.
I don’t understand this whole “boring on offense” thing affecting attendance. Do y’all remember how horrible the offenses were under Sherrill? Go back and watch a Sherrill-coached game. Most of the time it’s like going to the dentist watching our offense (the 2000 season a rare exception). And he’s one of the top 5 coaches in the history of the school according to a lot of y’all! I don’t give a crap about the offense. Just win games. Leach had us at 9 wins in his third season, and if he hadn’t died, I think we would be on a nice run of success. But, of course, he died and threw the whole program into disarray. Let’s give Lebby a good chance to fix it and really support the team before we throw him to the wolves.
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His offenses were great against mediocre D's but Will's lack of mobility and physicality made us schitty against quality D's. He finished with back to back.500 SEC seasons with an egg bowl W. He is a respected and loved coach across the country. Your assessment is overly one sided.
Let me rephrase, Leach and Cohen actively dogged NIL at every opportunity. It was very counterproductive and has us still playing catch up.
Jackie Sherrill was coaching 1991-2003. There was no sec network. Offenses were all boring. Our stadium was much smaller when he was winning and we still couldn’t fill it (38k the day Hazelwood kicked the game winner against Ark).
Leachs offense was miserable to watch. We can win 6-8 games a year running the triple option but no one wants to watch that.
It was brought up that Leach enthusiasm never seemed to catch fire here. I was pointing out why.
Yep, watching Leach's offense was like listening to continuous fingernails on a chalkboard to many. There are a LOT more people who feel this way than this board will ever recognize. It was reflected in the attendances and lack of enthusiasm while he was here.
Agree. Which is another reason we routinely say our fanbase has a “LOT” of moronic nimrod mouth breathers.
They (our fanbase) will never get it. They will never see that Leach’s offense was responsible for opening up holes for their glorious run game. They will never see that the offense was held back due to the limited talent of Will Rogers. They will never see that the future build out would have likely been among the best offensive years this program has ever seen. They will never see what exactly we are up against in football competition. They will never understand that the programs Leach won at had serious disadvantages compared to the blue bloods.
They also will likely never see a consistently successful football program. The majority wins, and our fanbase is majority mouth breathing. Maybe not majority, but the loudest. We have more L4s and Coach34s than we realize.
If his offense was so great, why didn't every program run it? I know everybody uses air raid concepts, but nobody ran the real thing anymore but Leach. It was as a dated as the wishbone. People knew how to stop it, and did.
I believe we have our coach. How long we keep him is the question. He is getting a lot of air time.
My mom was just watching something, as I popped in & out, and Lebby was being interviewed. She doesn't watch sports, so it had to be news. He's all over the tv promoting the hell out of State.
Give Lebby some time, he knows modern college football, and will get State back on track. When we start out 4-0 fans will be back.
My mom was just watching something, as I popped in & out, and Lebby was being interviewed. She doesn't watch sports, so it had to be news. He's all over the tv promoting the hell out of State.
Give Lebby some time, he knows modern college football, and will get State back on track. When we start out 4-0 fans will be back.
Attendance and ticket sales aren’t the right metric, though they’re certainly relevant. It’s revenue maximization. That doesn’t take place purely through in game ticket sales, and you have to work in future things like building a fanbase, program perception, crowd impact on atmosphere, etc., but revenue through in game sales is a major source.
You could set ticket prices at $1 and always sell out or set them at $1 million and never sell a ticket. What they’re trying to do through things like that awkward stadium survey is understand customer surplus and stratify the fanbase into cohorts so they can target the cohorts with pricing strategies to maximize revenue. Each cohort has its own demand curve, and the revenue maximizing attendance for that cohort may be at an attendance lower than capacity. There’s a good chance TN is just pricing lower than they need to right now, but they might also be factoring in whether that demand will drop next season, trying to build long term loyalty, or something else
You could set ticket prices at $1 and always sell out or set them at $1 million and never sell a ticket. What they’re trying to do through things like that awkward stadium survey is understand customer surplus and stratify the fanbase into cohorts so they can target the cohorts with pricing strategies to maximize revenue. Each cohort has its own demand curve, and the revenue maximizing attendance for that cohort may be at an attendance lower than capacity. There’s a good chance TN is just pricing lower than they need to right now, but they might also be factoring in whether that demand will drop next season, trying to build long term loyalty, or something else
This. All of this.
I’ll be at the opener, tho…. My son has never been to a game at DWS and he’s good luck. I feel like well maybe take EKU down!!*****
Don't rely so much on your own opinion or those on The Pack. Pay closer attention to players and coaches. There's reasons he's being considered for HOF.
1 - Only he could run the way he did;
2 - Not every program needs a niche;
3 - A lot of stupidity.
Florida should have hired him after Urban. Arkansas, Ole Miss and Tennessee all should have hired him at times, and didn’t, because he was weird. They lost out.
80% of the college football world acknowledges that he’s an elite coach and should be in the HOF, but we should listen to you? Yeah OKAY.
I don’t care how old it is. As recently as 2019, it was run at an elite level, and would have been done here had he lived.
It’s literally amazing what the man accomplished. I hated that we hired him honestly, because I knew our mouth breathers wouldn’t appreciate him.
This is kinda regarding attendance. But they need to move the student section back to the east side. That side has very thin the past two years and it's embarrassing when opposing fans fill it up. Also it's the side TV sees.
Cohen should have built the "balconies" in the north endzone. Or used that money to install chairbacks and pair those chairback seats with the gridiron club.
Cohen should have built the "balconies" in the north endzone. Or used that money to install chairbacks and pair those chairback seats with the gridiron club.
Nobody said he wasnt a brilliant coach. But for whatever reasons State fans didn't show in big numbers during his time here.
Whatever that reason is, can be wildly debated. However I remember even Robbie Faulk mentioned the novelty(maybe he used a different word) of Leach had worn. It could be seen in the empty seats. Or opposing fans.
I liked Leach as a person. But, that air raid concept isn’t something we need here in MS where QBs are a rare commodity. We need the next Dan Mullen, and I’m pretty sure we got him. Just gonna have to enjoy it while it lasts, if it works out.
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