If you really want to win that's what you have to do. Scheme only carries you so far. You ain't going to beat Bama or any of the big boys getting 3-4 yards a play, whether you are doing it with the wishbone, or the Leach air raid. Both offenses are essentially the same thing, desired result wise.
Dan Mullen
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33-39 in SEC means he averaged almost 8 wins per year. Down side of a talent cycle - we win 6-7 & up side of the cycle we win 9 maybe 10. Sign me up for those results for another 10 years. My only requirement would be no Hevesy, Gonzales, or Sallach. I can even live with the revolving door of defensive coordinators because they all either left for better jobs or he ran them off if they did not perform.
Is Dan Mullen the best football coach that MSU has had in the past 40 years? Who has been better? Why would we not want him back?
Coaching is transitional. We know his pros and cons. If he's the best we can get then you contractually mitigate the perceived con of "job hopper". Offer him a contract that mitigates that. If he says no, then he says no and you move on.
Some of y'all get too emotional about jobs and contracts. Coaching is a business decision for 95%+ out there. If you are expecting a quality coach to show up whom everyone else wants but is committed to a pine box at the cemetery on University, then you are going to be standing around with your thumb up your *** for a long time.
Some of y'all get too emotional about jobs and contracts. Coaching is a business decision for 95%+ out there. If you are expecting a quality coach to show up whom everyone else wants but is committed to a pine box at the cemetery on University, then you are going to be standing around with your thumb up your *** for a long time.
Where are you pulling these numbers from? If you look at wins versus Top 25 in the final rankings Mullen had 3 wins and Leach had 2. If you look at wins versus Top 25 at the time of the game Mullen had 7 and Leach had 7. Either way you are wrong.
Stop spreading lies just because you don't like Mullen.
People are overlooking this. The atmosphere has not been the same since he left. Moorhead's teams were sloppy and boring. Leach (RIP) gave us a chance to win but it was pretty boring to watch most of the time. Arnett...well we know what happened there.
Have we had a sellout since Mullen left?
If he's bringing Dak with him to play QB, then hell yes. But he's not. He had a generational QB, and almost certainly would not get another one. You have to anticipate what his results will look like in the 2020s, not the 2010s. Has his offense adjusted? His recruiting? His staff? His head coaching philosophy? His opposition? When you stop to think about it rather than just reminiscing, you realize he will absolutely achieve worse results than his last go round. No thanks.
I did not spread anything. And You just made my point! Thank you.
Leach did more for MSU than Mullen and did it is a shorter amount of time. We do not need to go backwards.
Yes. We have. How ever, we are a different fan base than 10 years ago thanks to him in part. We will no longer accept what he offers. He really brings nothing to the table that will push us into a better position.
No he is not. Leach was a better coach. Don't want him back because he spent at least the last 1/4 of the season the last few years doing everything he could to get out while abandoning our team every year.
17 you.
I don’t give a damn who we hire as long as we win.
17 you if your ego comes before us winning.
Problem is you need all coaches recruiting. They don’t all have to be great but you need all of them.
Because of the way he left, because of the way he constantly looked to jump ship, because of the way he treated players, because of the way he stunk it up in big games, because just because he did better than Croom before, doesn't mean he can gain, and more....Honorable mention: Holloway up the middle
That's just emotional ramblings and basesless with out factual evidence
I can handle Dan but not Jimmy Sexton. Jimmy turned most off seasons into a public clown show by talking to Finebaum during contract renegotiations. All good and well if this stuff was in a vacuum. But it's not. Other coaches would fill recruits' heads full of crap about Dan leaving and they would sign elsewhere. In most years Dan would get a pay raise while self-sabotaging his own recruiting classes thru Sexton's antics.
It's almost like Sexton doesn't value the MSU brand the way he approached this stuff. He doesn't act this way for all his clients.
It's almost like Sexton doesn't value the MSU brand the way he approached this stuff. He doesn't act this way for all his clients.
IF we hire Dan back the buy out has to be huge. Like big enough that if he is winning and leaves it helps us a lot.
And it has to be set up with a fair buy out on our end if he isn’t performing.
Dan Mullen left an upper decker in the La Terrazza bathroom when I waited tables there during college!
The last buyout Cohen signed where Dan only had to pay us $300K if he left while we had to pay the entire $16M contract should we fire him was really embarrassing. Talk about a mismatch in assigning risk.
Ive been quiet on the Dan Mullen threads. I honestly can take him or leave him.
But this is horse ****. The job he did with Chris Relf in 2010 should enshrine him in the Coaching Hall of Fame. Then he followed up Dak with Fitzgerald. It wasn't a "once in a generation" QB - it was an incredible QB coach.
Dan Mullen + Chris Parsons could be the Dak era 2.0 - meaning we could have some really big games and play on some really big stages. With a 12-team playoff, who knows?
In a 12-team playoff era, we make the playoffs twice and would have been a win away two more times with Dan Mullen.
No. He left us. He then went to UF, a team with EVERYTHING you need to be successful and still didn't git 'er done. If he fell short at UF, with ALL the advantages they have that we don't, why do you think he would do any better here second time around? IF he was as good as some of you claim then why the lack of success with the tons of advantages at UF? I've said this before, we need a coach AND a staff that can get our 3 star guys to play like 4 and 5 star guys. I'd take him as OC/position coach but NO to the HC job.
Reading comprehension fail. I didn't say he wasn't a good or even great QB coach. He is. I pointed out that most of his success came when he had a generational QB, one who is still thriving in the NFL. He likely won't get a QB like that again. What level of success can we expect from Dan without a Dak? He never finished above .500 in the SEC without Dak. I doubt he wins more than 2 if we hire him.
Dan was a fine coach, but his negatives did and always will prevent him from being a great coach. And by all accounts those negatives are greater now, not lesser.
He took a dumpster fire to three 10-win seasons, 2 East titles and almost to the Playoff. He was let go after a 6-7 season that they have had two more of since.
Maybe, and I'm just a dumbass, but maybe, Mullen is good at taking 2-and 3-star talent and coaching them up rather than taking 5-star talent and coaching them up. He's not a Pre Madonna coach. He's a Johnathan Banks coach.
Got some bad news for you, Mississippi State has finished above .500 in the SEC 18 times since 1933 (91 seasons) 8 of those 18 were before 1946. So in 77 years, we have 10 seasons where we finished above .500. Mullen had one, Sherrill had three.
If you are expecting a coach to go above .500 regularly in the SEC, you are going to be disappointed.
Funny you'd say that, it sounds like you're talking about ole Danny boy and how he acted the last quarter of the season his last few seasons?
It ain't the same world anymore.
Hiring Mullen is absolutely waving a white flag and saying we just want to be average again. No thanks.
I'd make the argument that this is exactly WHY we need Mullen.
We are about to be 15th in the SEC in NIL. We need a coach that can take 3-star talent, mix in a couple of 4-stars and win against the Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, Ole Miss type schools and give us an occasional chance to win against the Florida/LSU/A&M/Texas/Oklahoma crowd, and if lightning strikes, a chance against Alabama/Georgia.
That was Dan Mullen. You know who hates Dan Mullen? Kentucky. We need to focus on beating Kentucky, not Alabama.
I want to be average again. We are not going to be in the top quartile of the new SEC. We need to be fighting to be in the 7th-10th range.
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