Discussion on 16-team playoff

[18IsTheMan]

Obviously, it's what the little guys are pushing for.

I just don't see the logic. No MWC, MAC or AAC team is winning the title. Period.

Speaking of expansion in general, not the 16-team format specifically, Sankey said " "I don't think it's healthy for college football and college football globally that a West Coast team has not been in the playoff since 2016. … It's a national game." Why is not healthy for college football? Who cares where the best teams come from. The pros don't try to rig the system to get a certain geographical representation in the finals. SoCal had the CFP there for the taking, and they crapped the bed against Utah. How is that the playoff's fault?

In a 16-team format, the finalists would play 17 games. Lunacy.

Why College Football Playoff expansion could push out to 16 teams sooner than you may think

Some invested parties already prefer a 16-team format, and future CFP rightsholders might as well

www.cbssports.com

 

[muscleknight]

Doesn't the FCS have a 24 team playoff now? The FCS did a 16 team playoff for years and it worked well. Just follow what they did/do. The FCS also has a committee that selects the teams.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Doesn't the FCS have a 24 team playoff now? The FCS did a 16 team playoff for years and it worked well. Just follow what they did/do. The FCS also has a committee that selects the teams.

There's a reason they're FCS. We don't need 4-loss teams playing for the title.

 

[Psycock]

If Clemson would have been in the Top 4 this year under the upcoming system, heck yeah we need 16. You realize they would have also gotten a bye, which is absurd. The more games they have to play the more likely they are to lose, since they have little competition in the ACC.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If Clemson would have been in the Top 4 this year under the upcoming system, heck yeah we need 16. You realize they would have also gotten a bye, which is absurd. The more games they have to play the more likely they are to lose, since they have little competition in the ACC.

I don't know if the solution to letting undeserving teams in the playoffs is to let more undeserving teams in the playoffs.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Asking a team to go 17-0 is beyond absurd.

 

[DarkCock]

Doesn't the FCS have a 24 team playoff now? The FCS did a 16 team playoff for years and it worked well. Just follow what they did/do. The FCS also has a committee that selects the teams.

Doesn't one of the Dakota schools win the championship pretty much ever year? Doesn't bring parity, which some ppl are so desperate for.

Plus "doing what they do" won't work since there are home teams all the way up to the finals.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Doesn't one of the Dakota schools win the championship pretty much ever year? Doesn't bring parity, which some ppl are so desperate for.

Plus "doing what they do" won't work since there are home teams all the way up to the finals.

N Dakota State has won 9 of the last 12, so it obviously works!

Can you imagine? Folks lost their collective minds because Bama won 3 out of 4.

In the last 12 years, 4 different teams have won titles in the FCS, with N. Dakota St. the only team to win multiple titles.

On the FBS side, 6 teams have won titles over the same time span, with 3 teams winning multiple titles (Bama, Clemson, UGA).

Seems like they should be modeling FBS.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Since 1978, 22 FCS teams have won titles and 20 FBS teams have won titles.

There's little difference in parity

 

[cousin ed]

Someone

Since 1978, 22 FCS teams have won titles and 20 FBS teams have won titles.

There's little difference in parity

doesn't matter.


someone Called me crazy and it would never happen when I said this is where we were headed. This was the projection when they canceled the BCS.

 

[KingWard]

I'll have to refer y'all to the sentiment expressed by me in at least 20 discussions prior to this one. To summarize: not in favor.

 

[BigJC]

It is all about money for TV, nothing else. With a 4 team playoff there is always a team in the playoff who shouldn't be there and that is usually because ESPN wants them there. Last year it was Cincinnati, this year it was TCU, in 2020 it was Oklahoma, in 2019 it was Notre Dame. Most seasons there are two, maybe three, teams that everyone knows are the best teams. This year it was Georgia and Ohio State, even though Ohio State lost to Michigan.

Expanding the playoff will mean 16 coaches will be secure in their jobs every year and networks will make more money. The same teams are going to win the championships as would have with a 4 team playoff.

 

[Blues man]

Personally I dont see the logic in 12. If you are gonna have 12, have 16. Eliminate byes and it's done in the same amount of time. Or go to 8. Again, no byes. As I've mentioned before, imo it shouldnt be up to a playoff committee to reward the conference champs of their choice perks when they are already rewarded being conference champs.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It is all about money for TV, nothing else. With a 4 team playoff there is always a team in the playoff who shouldn't be there and that is usually because ESPN wants them there. Last year it was Cincinnati, this year it was TCU, in 2020 it was Oklahoma, in 2019 it was Notre Dame. Most seasons there are two, maybe three, teams that everyone knows are the best teams. This year it was Georgia and Ohio State, even though Ohio State lost to Michigan.

Expanding the playoff will mean 16 coaches will be secure in their jobs every year and networks will make more money. The same teams are going to win the championships as would have with a 4 team playoff.

And Clemson is virtually guaranteed a top 4 seed and bye every year.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Doesn't one of the Dakota schools win the championship pretty much ever year?

N. Dakota St, S. Dakota St. Or Montana St. Pretty much everyone else doesn't have a chance.

 

[Psycock]

Agree with Blues Man. 8 is ok just not 12 with byes with one of the byes likely being Clemson because of their weak schedule. They are already rewarded with their weak schedule, thus unfair to teams in stronger conference. If they want conference champs in once they expand fine but they should reseed based on poll rankings.

 

[TeeCock]

N Dakota State has won 9 of the last 12, so it obviously works!

Can you imagine? Folks lost their collective minds because Bama won 3 out of 4.

In the last 12 years, 4 different teams have won titles in the FCS, with N. Dakota St. the only team to win multiple titles.

On the FBS side, 6 teams have won titles over the same time span, with 3 teams winning multiple titles (Bama, Clemson, UGA).

Seems like they should be modeling FBS.

S. Dakota St took them to the woodshed this year!

 

[DLee56]

If Clemson would have been in the Top 4 this year under the upcoming system, heck yeah we need 16. You realize they would have also gotten a bye, which is absurd. The more games they have to play the more likely they are to lose, since they have little competition in the ACC.

Wrong, taters were ranked 7th at the end of the season. They would not have gotten a bye. Under a 12 team playoff, conference champs are not guaranteed a bye.

Excerpt from the playoff website “The 12-team format will feature, in order, the top four conference champions, followed by some combination of the top six at-large bids and two highest-ranked remaining conference champions. Teams will be ordered based on the College Football Playoff rankings.”

 

[18IsTheMan]

Wrong, taters were ranked 7th at the end of the season. They would not have gotten a bye. Under a 12 team playoff, conference champs are not guaranteed a bye.

Excerpt from the playoff website “The 12-team format will feature, in order, the top four conference champions, followed by some combination of the top six at-large bids and two highest-ranked remaining conference champions. Teams will be ordered based on the College Football Playoff rankings.”

That is incorrect. In the 12-team format, the top 4 conference champions are seated 1-4, in order.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Gentlemen,
This is an opinion piece by Dennis Dodd.
Not much further explanation or consideration should be necessary.

 

[Lurker123]

Wrong, taters were ranked 7th at the end of the season. They would not have gotten a bye. Under a 12 team playoff, conference champs are not guaranteed a bye.

Excerpt from the playoff website “The 12-team format will feature, in order, the top four conference champions, followed by some combination of the top six at-large bids and two highest-ranked remaining conference champions. Teams will be ordered based on the College Football Playoff rankings.”

As 18 pointed out, you are incorrect. I bolded the part from your quote that explains the top 4 conference Champs are the top 4 seeds. Clemson would have been the 4th this year.

 

[bayrooster]

How about trying to do an "elite 8" and see if that improves things? It shouldn't be hard to put 8 teams together in a playoff that are a combination of undefeateds and conference champs.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

make it 32 teams

 

[Maxcy]

Agree with Blues Man. 8 is ok just not 12 with byes with one of the byes likely being Clemson because of their weak schedule. They are already rewarded with their weak schedule, thus unfair to teams in stronger conference. If they want conference champs in once they expand fine but they should reseed based on poll rankings.

Byes are helpful to retain some meaning to the regular season...there is obviously great benefit to being in the top 4 at the end of the season.

Agreed on reseeding...that makes good sense.

 

[gamecock stock]

A 16-team playoff is coming. Money talks. I believe people underestimate how popular the 12-team playoff will be. It will be hard to turn down the network cash when the TV boys want to go to 16. At least, going to 16, will get rid of "byes". And that's good, in my opinion.

 

[atl-cock]

There's a reason they're FCS. We don't need 4-loss teams playing for the title.

If a four-loss team from, say the Sun Belt, can beat UGA in Athens in a first-round game, they deserve to move on.

 

[atl-cock]

Byes are helpful to retain some meaning to the regular season...there is obviously great benefit to being in the top 4 at the end of the season.

Agreed on reseeding...that makes good sense.

Hosting games until the championship game gives meaning to the regular season.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I can already tell you how it will go.

First year of a 16-team playoff, we blow up and ascend to the #2 seed. Then we would lose to #15 seeded Fresno State in an upset for the ages in the first round.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Everybody cites FCS as already having a 16+ team playoff format as a reason for FBS to follow suit,but remember FCS has 11 Regular season games and no conference championship games.

 

[atl-cock]

Everybody cites FCS as already having a 16+ team playoff format as a reason for FBS to follow suit but remember FCS has 11 Regular season games and no conference championship games.

I think FCS has a 24-team playoff with some first round byes. And the conferences likely don't have enough football-playing members to qualify hold a championship game.

The 11-game regular season is the single best argument I have heard regarding limiting the playoffs for FBS.

Somehow, I doubt FBS members would be willing to give up a regular season game.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

I think historically the max an FCS champion would normally play is 15 games (11 +4 playoff games).That’s why I don’t believe FCS would allow 12+1+4.Just too many games.Most logical would be dropping to 11 regular season and no championship games.The increased payoff from the expanded championship would have to be substantial enough for schools to accept this.

 

[Uscg1984]

Everybody cites FCS as already having a 16+ team playoff format as a reason for FBS to follow suit,but remember FCS has 11 Regular season games and no conference championship games.

Additionally, nobody outside of Montana and the Dakotas really cares much about FCS football. Yet, somehow FBS is broken and the only fix is to emulate FCS.

 

[KingWard]

Discussion on 16-team playoff​

To reiterate, that's 12 too many.

 

[Horseshoe04]

To reiterate, that's 12 too many.

They are already between bad and average at selecting 4, and since we spent all of 5 seconds evaluating 8 on the way to 12, I am beyond fearful of the shenanigans that will play out prior to these new play offs.

 

[KingWard]

They are already between bad and average at selecting 4, and since we spent all of 5 seconds evaluating 8 on the way to 12, I am beyond fearful of the shenanigans that will play out prior to these new play offs.

They have done a remarkable job with the four-team playoff. There's never been one where three of them were not incontrovertible and the team that won it deserved to win it. The object, after all, is to identify the best team without a lot of wasted motion messing with pretenders. The four-team playoff did that admirably and, for the most part, left the puppies on the porch. All this expansion is about money and appeasement. Let's just be honest about that.

 

[Hank Williams]

In addition to money perhaps the NCAA thoughts are more playoff games will result in less opt-outs during the post season because the games will theoretically have more "meaning". Unless playoff bonuses are given to players, I still see opt-outs as a common occurrence. 16 teams are too many for a competitive playoff system and too long of a season for college football when considering conference championship games still in effect.

 

[bayrooster]

They have done a remarkable job with the four-team playoff. There's never been one where three of them were not incontrovertible and the team that won it deserved to win it. The object, after all, is to identify the best team without a lot of wasted motion messing with pretenders. The four-team playoff did that admirably and, for the most part, left the puppies on the porch. All this expansion is about money and appeasement. Let's just be honest about that.

I think 4 isn't enough, given how many teams there are with 9 or more wins by playoff time and yet we still ended up with 2 SEC teams playing for the national championship. Eight is enough such that an all-SEC NC game will be far more unlikely and makes the outcome above board, with respect to criticism.

 

[KingWard]

I think 4 isn't enough, given how many teams there are with 9 or more wins by playoff time and yet we still ended up with 2 SEC teams playing for the national championship. Eight is enough such that an all-SEC NC game will be far more unlikely and makes the outcome above board, with respect to criticism.

They have the entire regular season plus Championship Saturday to eliminate the pretenders, and still, one slips through every couple of years. All they're doing is adding eight more.

 

[Horseshoe04]

They have done a remarkable job with the four-team playoff. There's never been one where three of them were not incontrovertible and the team that won it deserved to win it. The object, after all, is to identify the best team without a lot of wasted motion messing with pretenders. The four-team playoff did that admirably and, for the most part, left the puppies on the porch. All this expansion is about money and appeasement. Let's just be honest about that.

I don’t want the 13 seed to have hurt feelings

 

[Horseshoe04]

Dear NIL, final payment or portion of contract voided upon skipping post season play.

that should fix the abandonment of one’s teammates for the money over team folks