E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!! Birds - Chiefs Super Bowl LVII game thread

Psu00

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Irregardless of the holding call, the Chiefs would have still gone ahead and the Eagles would have needed to either get a FG or TD. No guarantees.
True but the difference would have been the eagles getting the ball with over a minute to try and tie or win rather than getting it with 8 seconds and no chance. Let them decide it on the field.

For all the years of watching refs swallow the whistles late in games, (despite some blatant penalties at times), it was horrible to suddenly have a phantom non penalty flag decide a Super bowl like that.
 

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True but the difference would have been the eagles getting the ball with over a minute to try and tie or win rather than getting it with 8 seconds and no chance. Let them decide it on the field.

For all the years of watching refs swallow the whistles late in games, (despite some blatant penalties at times), it was horrible to suddenly have a phantom non penalty flag decide a Super bowl like that.
The NFL is their own worst enemy. They have turned the game into flag football where you can't even touch a player and receive a ticky tacky flag.
 
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Couldn’t tell if the defensive holding was legit … would have needed camera angles from the other sideline. The official they always talk to in the booth said there was a jersey grab before what you saw in the replay, but when I rewound it, I couldn’t tell.
 

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Couldn’t tell if the defensive holding was legit … would have needed camera angles from the other sideline. The official they always talk to in the booth said there was a jersey grab before what you saw in the replay, but when I rewound it, I couldn’t tell.
Eagles fans saw no holding but Chiefs fans saw holding, funny how that works.
 

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The Eagles defense never came out of the locker room after half.
Those BS super long halftimes favor the team losing. Kills momentum, but more importantly it allows for a lot of adjustments they weren’t prepared for. This years was 35 minutes instead of normal 13. I guess I’m still salty but that was two different games.
 
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Couldn’t tell if the defensive holding was legit … would have needed camera angles from the other sideline. The official they always talk to in the booth said there was a jersey grab before what you saw in the replay, but when I rewound it, I couldn’t tell.
They showed the jersey grab on Fox replay and even Pereira disagreed with Olsen and said there was a jersey grab.
 
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They can’t blame that hold for the loss. There were ample times to make a stop on D before that. And Hurts’ fumble was just freaky and unfortunate.

You can’t play a great QB and Coach combo and make the game’s only turnover a TD for them and expect to win very often.

Factor in an impotent defense that just looked lost and out schemed, and you have a frustrating loss.

Both offenses were great. They protected their QBs and moved effectively. I think the Hurts sack was on a 1 yard run for a loss where he just went OB too soon.
 
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Birds stop KC short of the LOS, leaving third and 8 (or a bit more). Birds call TO.

On 3rd down ...

incomplete, but a flag is on the field downfield ...

holding Bradberry, and it's an automatic 1st down.

On review, that's a terrible call (IMHO)
Take your green glasses off. He grabbed the jersey as the receiver made his break downfield. Pereira agreed it was a good call.
 
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They can’t blame that hold for the loss. There were ample times to make a stop on D before that. And Hurts’ fumble was just freaky and unfortunate.

You can’t play a great QB and Coach combo and make the game’s only turnover a TD for them and expect to win very often.

Factor in an impotent defense that just looked lost and out schemed, and you have a frustrating loss.

Both offenses were great. They protected their QBs and moved effectively. I think the Hurts sack was on a 1 yard run for a loss where he just went OB too soon.
The hold will get a lot of attention given the timing and just being a bad call that effectively decided the game.

The biggest issues with the Eagles all year were punting issues at times and a defense that didn’t have a killer instinct. Both came back to haunt them in the Super Bowl.
 
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Take your green glasses off. He grabbed the jersey as the receiver made his break downfield. Pereira agreed it was a good call.
The question is how many other times did both teams do it and have it not called. I bet it was easily 15-20 on the game film.

The point is that to have it called there with the game on the line was inconsistent and questionable.

It did undoubtedly end the game vs giving the Eagles the ball and time.
 
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Take your green glasses off. He grabbed the jersey as the receiver made his break downfield. Pereira agreed it was a good call.
Rewatch the video. When the receiver makes his spin to go back outside is when the jersey tug happened. Fox actually had a different angle of the play that clearly showed the jersey tug.
 

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The hold will get a lot of attention given the timing and just being a bad call that effectively decided the game.

The biggest issues with the Eagles all year were punting issues at times and a defense that didn’t have a killer instinct. Both came back to haunt them in the Super Bowl.
The defense didn’t have a pulse today, let alone a killer instinct.
 
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Couldn’t tell if the defensive holding was legit … would have needed camera angles from the other sideline. The official they always talk to in the booth said there was a jersey grab before what you saw in the replay, but when I rewound it, I couldn’t tell.
I did not have a rooting interest in either team, to tell the truth, but I thought that defensive holding call was a BAD call. Some holding occurred, but it was too brief to justify a flag, IMHO, particularly at the point in the game. The Eagles would have had a tall order in trying to drive fifty or so yards for a long FG try, but they would have at least had a CHANCE if they had 50 seconds to work with. That call effectively decided the game.

Unfortunately, the refs frequently make bad calls, even in the playoffs. Witness the fourth down "catch" that led to the Eagles' first TD against the Niners in the NFC championship game.
 
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IMO that was a bad call that determined the outcome. It looked to me like the defender reached his arm around the back but didn't actually hold.

That aside, the game was determined on two plays. The Hurt fumble returned for a TD and the poor punt returned to the Eagles 5 yd ljne.
Bradberry tugged on his jersey for like a millisecond right when he broke back to the outside. Crap call, IMO the non-call with Bradberry in the first half was more deserving of a flag than that.
 

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The question is how many other times did both teams do it and have it not called. I bet it was easily 15-20 on the game film.

The point is that to have it called there with the game on the line was inconsistent and questionable.

It did undoubtedly end the game vs giving the Eagles the ball and time.
So you’re saying it was a hold.
 

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I did not have a rooting interest in either team, to tell the truth, but I thought that defensive holding call was a BAD call. Some holding occurred, but it was too brief to justify a flag, IMHO, particularly at the point in the game. The Eagles had would have had a tall order in trying to drive fifty or so yards for a long FG try, but they would have at least had a CHANCE if they had 50 seconds to work with. That call effectively decided the game.

Unfortunately, the refs frequently make bad calls, even in the playoffs. Witness the fourth down "catch" that led to the Eagles first TD against the Niners in the NFC championship game.
Lafayette, I think they’d have had like 1:45 and a timeout if that call wasn’t made. That was very doable for a FG.

You’re right. **** happens with calls at bad times. That’s why I focus on some of the other mistakes that cost them. Take away that Hurts fumble and it’s a different game too. Oh well. 🤷‍♂️
 
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They showed the jersey grab on Fox replay and even Pereira disagreed with Olsen and said there was a jersey grab.
Hmm … on the main broadcast? I didn’t see that. They showed one replay, but it started too late and only showed the brief arm around the waist (which wasn’t enough for a defensive holding) when the receiver was starting downfield. Pereira mentioned the jersey grab that allegedly occurred before that replay started but, again, I couldn’t verify it happened. When I rewound it, I THOUGHT I saw something as the WR was starting his cut to the outside before cutting downfield, but the camera angle from the other side would have shown it (or not) pretty definitively, I think.

If there’s another replay, I’d love to see it. Could (thankfully) stop a lot of whining and conspiracy talk.
 

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Lafayette, I think they’d have had like 1:45 and a timeout if that call wasn’t made. That was very doable for a FG.

You’re right. **** happens with calls at bad times. That’s why I focus on some of the other mistakes that cost them. Take away that Hurts fumble and it’s a different game too. Oh well. 🤷‍♂️
The fumble was costly but, aside from that, I thought Hurts played a great game. He piled up passing yards, and he just KILLS opposing defenses with his running ability. The Eagles also showed why their OL is considered the best in the League.

But the Chiefs have Mahomie. He is in a class by himself as a QB, in my humble opinion.
 

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Hmm … on the main broadcast? I didn’t see that. They showed one replay, but it started too late and only showed the brief arm around the waist (which wasn’t enough for a defensive holding) when the receiver was starting downfield. Pereira mentioned the jersey grab that allegedly occurred before that replay started but, again, I couldn’t verify it happened. When I rewound it, I THOUGHT I saw something as the WR was starting his cut to the outside before cutting downfield, but the camera angle from the other side would have shown it (or not) pretty definitively, I think.

If there’s another replay, I’d love to see it. Could (thankfully) stop a lot of whining and conspiracy talk.
Watch the video,
On the spin to the outside you could see
The #9 on the receivers back being tugged

 

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All in all a very good game. But, I never thought KC would put up 31 points against the Eagles defense. That was disappointing.
 

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Take away the Hurts fumble and the Eagles win. However, I know that's a would have, could have scenario. Props to the Cheifs for their play in the 2nd half.
 
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