Excellent article on Jerry Sandusky’s probable innocence. It really isn’t hard to see

[Open Mind 1]

'The Sandusky Case is Exactly Opposite to What the Public Believes': The Case Against Jerry Sandusky Reexamined

FacebookXRedditLinkedInEmailIt began with an article Rich Luthmann wrote for the Frank Report, where he mentioned Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football coach convicted of sexually abusing boys in 2012. The Frank Report repeated the common narrative and read, in part: “Joe Paterno, then...

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[Charlie1978]

'The Sandusky Case is Exactly Opposite to What the Public Believes': The Case Against Jerry Sandusky Reexamined

FacebookXRedditLinkedInEmailIt began with an article Rich Luthmann wrote for the Frank Report, where he mentioned Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football coach convicted of sexually abusing boys in 2012. The Frank Report repeated the common narrative and read, in part: “Joe Paterno, then...

frankreport.com

Yeah here is the deal on this Sandusky scandal, and btw he was my position coach during PSU football camps, a situation that had monstrous red flags. First, the fact that in 1998 he was among the most coveted defensive coordinators in the NCAA and he couldn't get a job as a head coach, suggested to me that his own industry had heard whispers is one. Second, the fact that people of power in the state govt and legal profession intervened or simply vanished is another monstrous red flag. Third, the impulsive reaction of the University to ruin the greatest coach this side of Bear Bryant as a scapegoat speaks to a darker involvement. You can argue that Sa ndusky was a patsy much like Oswald but it still speaks to unspeakable acts deserved of incarceration, even if justice is imperfectly applied.

To me the crime in this saga, was the institutional persecution of Paterno. If you are a bleeding heart you can always insist that he could have done more, practiced less nepotism and lectured us all less but hundreds of guys who couldn't carry Joe's jock destroyed a man who enriched them.

I have moved myself to such a state that I am going to listen to the trumpet solo at his viewing, the best farewell in human history.

 

[Keyser Soze 16802]

$110 million in unvetted payouts by PSU.....remember that the next time someone asks you to contribute NIL money

 

[Open Mind 1]

Yeah here is the deal on this Sandusky scandal, and btw he was my position coach during PSU football camps, a situation that had monstrous red flags. First, the fact that in 1998 he was among the most coveted defensive coordinators in the NCAA and he couldn't get a job as a head coach, suggested to me that his own industry had heard whispers is one. Second, the fact that people of power in the state govt and legal profession intervened or simply vanished is another monstrous red flag. Third, the impulsive reaction of the University to ruin the greatest coach this side of Bear Bryant as a scapegoat speaks to a darker involvement. You can argue that Sa ndusky was a patsy much like Oswald but it still speaks to unspeakable acts deserved of incarceration, even if justice is imperfectly applied.

To me the crime in this saga, was the institutional persecution of Paterno. If you are a bleeding heart you can always insist that he could have done more, practiced less nepotism and lectured us all less but hundreds of guys who couldn't carry Joe's jock destroyed a man who enriched them.

I have moved myself to such a state that I am going to listen to the trumpet solo at his viewing, the best farewell in human history.

No doubt. What was done to Paterno, Spanier, Shultz, and Curley was also a travesty. The weaponizing of our justice system to carry out personal agendas. Scary what can be allowed with no evidence.

 

[JakkL]

Sandusky was never a serious candidate to be a head coach because he was a goofball. No AD and school would consider him a viable option. Then the 2nd mile clinched that he wasn't going to leave state college.

 

[Midnighter]

Sandusky was never a serious candidate to be a head coach because he was a goofball. No AD and school would consider him a viable option. Then the 2nd mile clinched that he wasn't going to leave state college.

Exactly this. He never wanted to coach anywhere else.

 

[marshall23]

Joe's greatness is without parallel, IMO.
But my heart aches for Tim Curley. He is a good man as well.

 

[PSUAVLNC]

Joe's greatness is without parallel, IMO.
But my heart aches for Tim Curley. He is a good man as well.

There’s many good people who’s reputations were destroyed in what was clearly a rush to judgement. Once the boulder started rolling down hill, there were no good people standing in the breech to stop it.

 

[nittanyfan333]

….. this should end well

 

[LaJollaCreek]

….. this should end well

 

[NittanyBuff]

Exactly this. He never wanted to coach anywhere else.

He wanted or almost took the Marshall job from what I remember.

 

[LB99]

He wanted or almost took the Marshall job from what I remember.

I wish he would have taken the Marshall job. Would have saved us all a lot of BS.

 

[Ceasar]

He wanted or almost took the Marshall job from what I remember.

IIRC he interviewed for the UVA job in the late 90s and for a while it appeared he would get it. Obviously, he did not.

 

[Bob78]

He wanted or almost took the Marshall job from what I remember.

You might be right, but I'm thinking it may have been the Virginia job, late 90s. May have been around the time of or soon after the 1st investigation, so 1998-2000ish?
There was also talk at one point about starting a Div 2 or 3 program at PSU-Altoona, with him as HC. That fizzled out somewhat quickly. Can't recall the timing of that idea off the top.

The larger point to me is JS and that sham of a trial aside (and I am not advocating for his innocence here), there was absolutely no need to drag JVP, Curley, Schultz, and/or Spanier into the overall criminal proceedings. All very good men who, with the precedent set by police and Child Services in 1998 in mind, followed the advice of the local expert, Jack Raykovitz, who said there was nothing to this accusation wrt JS.
Whatever mistakes were made in hindsight, certainly coverup and bad intentions were not present, and the investigation showed that clearly. They simply believed what experts had said, and at the time that seemed reasonable to them and others, including BOT members who knew what was going on.

Why Jack R. providing that advice to them doesn't count for anything, yet he testified in the Spanier trial that he was a mandated reporter, makes no sense. The State decided that someone besides JS had to pay for all their misguided investigations into these guys, so to save their PR efforts, they found something to throw at the wall, and the judge helped by screwing them by disallowing the agreed-to no jail time. For anyone who knows any of those 3, your heart goes out to them even to this day.

 

[Bison13]

Pitt was begging for him to take their head coaching job at various times.

 

[Alphalion75]

Yeah here is the deal on this Sandusky scandal, and btw he was my position coach during PSU football camps, a situation that had monstrous red flags. First, the fact that in 1998 he was among the most coveted defensive coordinators in the NCAA and he couldn't get a job as a head coach, suggested to me that his own industry had heard whispers is one. Second, the fact that people of power in the state govt and legal profession intervened or simply vanished is another monstrous red flag. Third, the impulsive reaction of the University to ruin the greatest coach this side of Bear Bryant as a scapegoat speaks to a darker involvement. You can argue that Sa ndusky was a patsy much like Oswald but it still speaks to unspeakable acts deserved of incarceration, even if justice is imperfectly applied.

To me the crime in this saga, was the institutional persecution of Paterno. If you are a bleeding heart you can always insist that he could have done more, practiced less nepotism and lectured us all less but hundreds of guys who couldn't carry Joe's jock destroyed a man who enriched them.

I have moved myself to such a state that I am going to listen to the trumpet solo at his viewing, the best farewell in human history.

Well said my man!

 

[Midnighter]

The actual evidence is extremely flimsy against Sandusky. Why then was Penn State so happy to throw money at anyone with an alleged repressed memory of Sandusky abusing them?

Thanks Mike! The pic they used in the article for MM is perfect.

 

[leinbacker]

The actual evidence is extremely flimsy against Sandusky. Why then was Penn State so happy to throw money at anyone with an alleged repressed memory of Sandusky abusing them?

Thanks Mike! The pic they used in the article for MM is perfect.

Because it wasn’t their money they were throwing around.

 

[GrimReaper]

The actual evidence is extremely flimsy against Sandusky. Why then was Penn State so happy to throw money at anyone with an alleged repressed memory of Sandusky abusing them?

Thanks Mike! The pic they used in the article for MM is perfect.

That is a very good question. PSU is fortunate that Shubin, Kline, et al couldn't dredge up more warm bodies. PSU was paying people just for showing up.

 

[Midnighter]

That is a very good question. PSU is fortunate that Shubin, Kline, et al couldn't dredge up more warm bodies. PSU was paying people just for showing up.

The best evidence they have is MM’s changed testimony, which is speculative at best, Victim 1, also changed testimony/repressed memory, and the criminal who called once he saw the handouts. For a guy who supposedly raped boys in his basement for decades this is borderline hysterical.

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

The actual evidence is extremely flimsy against Sandusky. Why then was Penn State so happy to throw money at anyone with an alleged repressed memory of Sandusky abusing them?

Thanks Mike! The pic they used in the article for MM is perfect.

 

[Open Mind 1]

The best evidence they have is MM’s changed testimony, which is speculative at best, Victim 1, also changed testimony/repressed memory, and the criminal who called once he saw the handouts. For a guy who supposedly raped boys in his basement for decades this is borderline hysterical.

And the young man in the MM incident flat out said nothing happened that night. Wrote letters to the paper in defense of Sandusky. Had him walk as his dad at his Senior Night football game after said incident. Drove 8 hours from North Carolina to attend Sanduskys mom’s funeral years after said incident. Had him at his wedding years after said incident. You don’t do any of these things if you are abused. The evidence is far in Sanduskys favor. It only takes half a brain and the bare minimum research to figure it out.

 

[MtNittany]

Well researched and dead accurate article. No one will listen though.

 

[CvilleElksCoach]

$110 million in unvetted payouts by PSU.....remember that the next time someone asks you to contribute NIL money

What does NIL have anything to do with Sandusky, the BOT or the university? Or is this your excuse this week not to give?

 

[Keyser Soze 16802]

What does NIL have anything to do with Sandusky, the BOT or the university? Or is this your excuse this week not to give?

Penn State obviously doesn't need my money hoss if they can p*ss away $110 million

 

[CvilleElksCoach]

Penn State obviously doesn't need my money hoss if they can p*ss away $110 million

Nil money doesn’t go to PSU.

 

[86ed]

You might be right, but I'm thinking it may have been the Virginia job, late 90s. May have been around the time of or soon after the 1st investigation, so 1998-2000ish?
There was also talk at one point about starting a Div 2 or 3 program at PSU-Altoona, with him as HC. That fizzled out somewhat quickly. Can't recall the timing of that idea off the top.

The larger point to me is JS and that sham of a trial aside (and I am not advocating for his innocence here), there was absolutely no need to drag JVP, Curley, Schultz, and/or Spanier into the overall criminal proceedings. All very good men who, with the precedent set by police and Child Services in 1998 in mind, followed the advice of the local expert, Jack Raykovitz, who said there was nothing to this accusation wrt JS.
Whatever mistakes were made in hindsight, certainly coverup and bad intentions were not present, and the investigation showed that clearly. They simply believed what experts had said, and at the time that seemed reasonable to them and others, including BOT members who knew what was going on.

Why Jack R. providing that advice to them doesn't count for anything, yet he testified in the Spanier trial that he was a mandated reporter, makes no sense. The State decided that someone besides JS had to pay for all their misguided investigations into these guys, so to save their PR efforts, they found something to throw at the wall, and the judge helped by screwing them by disallowing the agreed-to no jail time. For anyone who knows any of those 3, your heart goes out to them even to this day.

The reason Curley and Shultz were dragged in to this mess is because their testimony would contradict that of McQ (“we were told it was horseplay and not sexual in nature.”) The AG’s office needed to silence them and charging them was the best way to keep them quiet.

Paterno and Spanier didn’t get caught up in this until the factFreeh report came out, pointing to them as part of a coverup. I am well aware that Paterno was guilty in the court of public opinion well before Freehs flawed report came out.

 

[MtNittany]

The reason Curley and Shultz were dragged in to this mess is because their testimony would contradict that of McQ (“we were told it was horseplay and not sexual in nature.”) The AG’s office needed to silence them and charging them was the best way to keep them quiet.

Paterno and Spanier didn’t get caught up in this until the factFreeh report came out, pointing to them as part of a coverup. I am well aware that Paterno was guilty in the court of public opinion well before Freehs flawed report came out.

There are times I regret wasting my free time of 5 years or so on this topic. But this is about Jerry, not Joe or Tim or Graham. It's about the guy in jail.

People getting dragged into this had to start somewhere, and that somewhere was an attorney and a CMHS kid who hadn't told the truth from middle school on - about anything.

 

[Horse withno Game]

There are times I regret wasting my free time of 5 years or so on this topic. But this is about Jerry, not Joe or Tim or Graham. It's about the guy in jail.

People getting dragged into this had to start somewhere, and that somewhere was an attorney and a CMHS kid who hadn't told the truth from middle school on - about anything.

I think it started May 3, 1998, when Jerry Sandusky took an 11 year old boy home to his mother. His hair was wet.

 

[marshall23]

I think it started May 3, 1998, when Jerry Sandusky took an 11 year old boy home to his mother. His hair was wet.

The mother and kid that used to ask Jerry for game tickets?

 

[ChandlerPearce]

Yeah here is the deal on this Sandusky scandal, and btw he was my position coach during PSU football camps, a situation that had monstrous red flags. First, the fact that in 1998 he was among the most coveted defensive coordinators in the NCAA and he couldn't get a job as a head coach, suggested to me that his own industry had heard whispers is one. Second, the fact that people of power in the state govt and legal profession intervened or simply vanished is another monstrous red flag. Third, the impulsive reaction of the University to ruin the greatest coach this side of Bear Bryant as a scapegoat speaks to a darker involvement. You can argue that Sa ndusky was a patsy much like Oswald but it still speaks to unspeakable acts deserved of incarceration, even if justice is imperfectly applied.

To me the crime in this saga, was the institutional persecution of Paterno. If you are a bleeding heart you can always insist that he could have done more, practiced less nepotism and lectured us all less but hundreds of guys who couldn't carry Joe's jock destroyed a man who enriched them.

I have moved myself to such a state that I am going to listen to the trumpet solo at his viewing, the best farewell in human history.

You are correct...plus the DA Fina was disbarred for his actions during the trial....the General Counsel for PSU Cynthia Baldwin working both sides of the case without informing PSU defendents vanished from public view, and of course Tom Corbett pushing for Louis Freeh to do the Hatchet job on Paterno and Spanier. 2011 PSU ranked #1 in BCS points.
If you haven't read Graham Spanier's book...you should...it is well written, very deep and thorouth research/quotes/credits...also a terrific listing and description of all those associated with PSU.

 

[Pennst8]

'The Sandusky Case is Exactly Opposite to What the Public Believes': The Case Against Jerry Sandusky Reexamined

FacebookXRedditLinkedInEmailIt began with an article Rich Luthmann wrote for the Frank Report, where he mentioned Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football coach convicted of sexually abusing boys in 2012. The Frank Report repeated the common narrative and read, in part: “Joe Paterno, then...

frankreport.com

You have to be effin kidding me!!! The man raped children!! WTF man! Sell your bul*sh*t somewhere else.

 

[ChandlerPearce]

Last comment....in another thread a poster lamented that PSU/Paterno had a serial rapist running/roaming around the campus...in the words of Bob, this is what we are up against...a PSU grad? fan? thinks PSU allowed JS to roam the campus or cherry pick students is incredible that many are so ignorant of the actual true event/case.
Even at our Alumni Assoc. there are those that spew the ESPN version as if they have/know the facts. The Sandusky affair isn't totally responsible for the drastic decline in the academic ranking for PSU....that we can thank Erickson and Barron.

 

[TheBigUglies]

The actual evidence is extremely flimsy against Sandusky. Why then was Penn State so happy to throw money at anyone with an alleged repressed memory of Sandusky abusing them?

Thanks Mike! The pic they used in the article for MM is perfect.

Because that was the Merck(BOT has a Merck CEO running the show, can't remember his name) way like they did with the Vioxx scandal. Pay people off, get it out of the news as quickly as possible, and move on. People will forget about it...eventually....

 

[leinbacker]

Because that was the Merck(BOT has a Merck CEO running the show, can't remember his name) way like they did with the Vioxx scandal. Pay people off, get it out of the news as quickly as possible, and move on. People will forget about it...eventually....

That was Kevin Frazier - aka "the jerk from Merck".

 

[Charlie1978]

The actual evidence is extremely flimsy against Sandusky. Why then was Penn State so happy to throw money at anyone with an alleged repressed memory of Sandusky abusing them?

Thanks Mike! The pic they used in the article for MM is perfect.

Exactly

 

[Erial_Lion]

There are enough red flags that even if Sandusky wasn't guilty of every crime that he was accused of, I'd still have a hard time calling it "probable innocence". Disregarding everything else, he felt the need to shower with a kid after working out with 10 minutes, was caught after doing so, and was so distraught about it that he said that he wished he were dead...yet a few years later, is again back to showering with a naked kid? I can get past the fact that he wasn't willing to take the stand to defend himself, or the fact that he was completely perplexed when Bob Costas asked him if he's attracted to young boys, but can't get past his inability to stop showering with young, naked boys.

 

[Midnighter]

There are enough red flags that even if Sandusky wasn't guilty of every crime that he was accused of, I'd still have a hard time calling it "probable innocence". Disregarding everything else, he felt the need to shower with a kid after working out with 10 minutes, was caught after doing so, and was so distraught about it that he said that he wished he were dead...yet a few years later, is again back to showering with a naked kid? I can get past the fact that he wasn't willing to take the stand to defend himself, or the fact that he was completely perplexed when Bob Costas asked him if he's attracted to young boys, but can't get past his inability to stop showering with young, naked boys.

I don't disagree - dude had some boundary issues for sure. That said, the Northwestern football team were molesting hazing each other by slapping their nuts on each others faces and buttholes (yes, these are not 'boys' and should know better, but still). I don't get it either, but sadly this behavior appears to be more common than you would think in this sport.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

I don't disagree - dude had some boundary issues for sure. That said, the Northwestern football team were molesting hazing each other by slapping their nuts on each others faces and buttholes (yes, these are not 'boys' and should know better, but still). I don't get it either, but sadly this behavior appears to be more common than you would think in this sport.

 

[Fac]

You have to be effin kidding me!!! The man raped children!! WTF man! Sell your bul*sh*t somewhere else.

Why is Michael Jackson still played on the radio?