Excellent article on Jerry Sandusky’s probable innocence. It really isn’t hard to see
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Back then, showering after workouts was not uncommon, especially in open showers with foot traffic on the outside. Anyone could walk by who was in the building. I believe Jerry was too naive to think that having an adolescent in there was a red flag. I certainly don’t think he had sexual intent in either of those scenarios, especially with the openness of the Just my opinion. I also think he denies saying “I wish I were dead”.
I find it quite ironic that the posters who hate the thread and new article the most feel the need to comment as much as they do. If you don’t like it, go to another thread. Novel concept. Just because someone has a different opinion and perspective doesn’t mean it should be abolished. It’s a big part of message boards at large. There are tons of questions still remaining in this case. It’s not going away, even if some want or need it to. The screaming and name calling by some on this thread only emphasize that point more. But hey, I’m new here. Lol
Except that the incident that McQueary witnessed took place in the evening or at night when there was no one else around, something I'm sure the Grinning Baboon was counting on.
Sorry, but showering with a 10-14 year old alone is weird no matter what generation you are from.
Except the teenage kid in the MM incident said he was never abused by Jerry, that night or any other. Looked at Jerry like a father. Drove 8 hours to his mothers funeral years later while enlisted in the Marines….. then invited him to his wedding years after that. It just doesn’t add up.
I don't know if Jerry was innocent or guilty or kind of guilty, but I do believe the trial was a sham.
1. It should never have been held in Centre County.
2. Much of the testimony was changed repeatedly and much was coaxed.
3. Jerry was tried and convicted in the Court of Public Opinion before the case ever went to trial.
4. Jerry's lawyer was clearly over his head and a retrial based on ineffective representation of counsel should have been granted.
5. University counsel was clearly over her head.
In the end, I think the trial was more like one in Moscow Center rather than Centre County. I'm surprised they didn't sentence to hard labor in the Gulag or a short stay at Lubyanka Prison.
And let's face it, the college football community hated Joe because he did things the right way and still won while the others were slushing around millions of dollars in an effort to keep up with the Sooners, the Tide, the Bulldogs, the Trojans, etc. They couldn't wait to take him down. And they killed him.
1. It should never have been held in Centre County.
2. Much of the testimony was changed repeatedly and much was coaxed.
3. Jerry was tried and convicted in the Court of Public Opinion before the case ever went to trial.
4. Jerry's lawyer was clearly over his head and a retrial based on ineffective representation of counsel should have been granted.
5. University counsel was clearly over her head.
In the end, I think the trial was more like one in Moscow Center rather than Centre County. I'm surprised they didn't sentence to hard labor in the Gulag or a short stay at Lubyanka Prison.
And let's face it, the college football community hated Joe because he did things the right way and still won while the others were slushing around millions of dollars in an effort to keep up with the Sooners, the Tide, the Bulldogs, the Trojans, etc. They couldn't wait to take him down. And they killed him.
So the kid with Jerry in the shower that night never appeared before the authorities or courts to say that nothing happened and just allowed Jerry to be convicted? Of the character witnesses called on behalf of Sandusky, there was one, a whopping one, who knew Sandusky from the Second Mile and vouched for him.
Never truer words spoken avoiding the legal system. Just coming off jury duty it scared the hell out of me what I saw in deliberations. 1 juror saying I have kids to get home to you all just pick guilty or non guilty and I will go along with it. Another juror saying I think he is guilty but he has suffered enough so let's let him walk. And yet another juror who literally only spoke Spanish. She would speak in Spanish yet anything in English she just shrugged her shoulders ... These are people deciding someone's fate.... Stunning gave me pause to think of full time jurors but that has its own issues ...
My friend, I do not know whether he is guilty or innocent. What I do know is that he was not given a fair trial. I also think there is doubt in many of the claimants stories that has come out over the years.
I might be an imbecile. On the other hand, an ignorant person is one with a closed mind and does not and can not consider new information as potentially nullifying their steadfast opinion.
I am not defending a child rapist. I am asking you for your opinion on Matt Sandusky. Is he a truth-telling abuse victim or a lying opportunist? It’s not a trick question.
And the experts who had their chance at looking into it deeper did not believe it either.
Can absolutely confirm one expert who looked into it did not believe it
Weird, yes. Not a crime. That was from the mouth of the judge who presided over the JS trial.
The same judge that sentenced him to 30-60 yrs in prison? If you want to die on that hill, go for it. It’s a bad look. I’m not getting into it with you. This whole conversation has no upside.
well, I hope you can get him out. Then you should hire him to watch your kids or grandkids or nieces or nephews. That should prove how innocent you think he is.
The idea he didn't get a HC position is quite a leap. It could be true. However, the contrary opinion is that JS didn't want to move away from The Second Mile. This is one of the things that made him famous. SI did a cover and a feature story on him and his affiliation with The Second Mile. He was waiting for Joe to retire but who knew Joe would coach into his 80s? In addition, Joe told him that he would not recommend JS for the HC position when it opened because Jerry needed to spend too much time with TSM. JS had opportunities but didn't pursue them as it would cause him to have to move out of state.
Didn't Matt go to court so he could take his kids to see Jerry and Dottie? Before he $$$$$
Any flirtation with Hc opportunities was likely a ruse to keep up appearances. It was always all about TSM.
It really has zero upside, but flat earthers need to be heard too apparently. We just ignore them too.
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Yes he did. Quite odd don’t you think? You literally can’t make this stuff up. But be careful, you may get called a flat earther for pointing out real evidence. Lol
No room here for real evidence or nuance, move along...
*McQueary finally settles on a date he was in Lasch; tells everyone*
Everyone:
According to Sue, whenever he finally spoke to Joe.... he wasn't there very longNo room here for real evidence or nuance, move along...
*McQueary finally settles on a date he was in Lasch; tells everyone*
Everyone:
I choose to move on. Not arguing with someone on if water is wet.
I don't want to argue. I am simply asking you to classify and explain Matt Sandusky. He is the epitome of the alleged victims in this case. Your reluctance to chime in is very telling.
No room here for real evidence or nuance, move along...
*McQueary finally settles on a date he was in Lasch; tells everyone*
Everyone:
The answer to your question is in this follow up article………. Tons of interesting points the media never covered because they made the mistake of painting themselves into a corner after immediately buying/or promoting the phony Grand Jury Presentment (which is also talked about in this article).
Questioning Millionaire Victims: Doubts Arise in Sandusky Trial
FacebookXRedditLinkedInEmail The Predator of Penn State The official story everyone knows. A pedophile in his 50s and 60s, we have been told, was running loose in a small Pennsylvania town for more than 15 years. A sexually insatiable predator with the virility of a porn star in his 20s, his...
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So they couldn't find Allan Meyers to testify. Why didn't Amendola then attempt to enter his "sworn statement" as evidence?The answer to your question is in this follow up article………. Tons of interesting points the media never covered because they made the mistake of painting themselves into a corner after immediately buying/or promoting the phony Grand Jury Presentment (which is also talked about in this article).
Questioning Millionaire Victims: Doubts Arise in Sandusky Trial
FacebookXRedditLinkedInEmail The Predator of Penn State The official story everyone knows. A pedophile in his 50s and 60s, we have been told, was running loose in a small Pennsylvania town for more than 15 years. A sexually insatiable predator with the virility of a porn star in his 20s, his...
Would he have been allowed to enter that statement? Remember, this is the same judge that would not allow the sworn testimony of John McQueary from his courtroom appearance/preliminary hearing in Hburg three months earlier to be entered as evidence. That John McQueary testified under oath to Karl Romonger that he could not remeber testifying at the prelim.
Regardless, there was so much malpractice, lying, deceit and dishonor with the whole trial would it even have mattered? At this point in time, we know Allen Myers wrote the letter wholeheartedly defending JS. Alemdola had/has a written statement from him as well. Myers changed his tune when Mr Shubin showed up at the door.
This is yet another reminiscence of "You can't make this **** up"
www.bigtrial.net
Boy In The Shower Says He Can't Remember 34 Times
By Ralph Cipriano for BigTrial.net Allan Myers, the boy in the Penn State showers that Mike McQueary allegedly saw being raped by Jerry S...
The statement can be entered if the witness can't be found.
Enough with how the Grinning Baboon's trial wasn't perfect. All of his appeals have failed. Let him rot.
The PA court system has a vested interested in seeing his appeals fail. If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.
Hasn’t filed there yet, but a competent and fair judge will laugh at how PA has handled it.?
Jerry's legal team was horrible. I can't remember the guys name but he was a terrible lawyer and he himself had done some unethical crap with a female client at one time. At a bare min Jer deserved a retrial in another state other than the corrupt court system of PA. You can bet that Joe thought he got a raw deal too
Jerry’s lawyer tried to quit because he could not get through all of the discovery material in time for trial. Not only did the judge rush it to trial in 7 months (a case like this is typically 2 years out), he refused to let his lawyer quit. Another “you can’t make this s**t up” moment.
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Very well stated and incredibly true. I wonder if this whole mess began as a vendetta against Joe and Graham to get them fired....but morphed into a witch hunt which needed to be covered up and JS was the perfect target and a crime against children the perfect catalyst...could the OGBOT plus Tom Corbett really want to bring down all of PSU?
Hmmmmm......maybe PennSt8 "IS" victim 8? He would know the whole truth.
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