Excellent article on Jerry Sandusky’s probable innocence. It really isn’t hard to see

[Midnighter]

July 24: Crump and other Chicago attorneys announced a lawsuit on behalf of former NU quarterback and wide receiver Lloyd Yates against the university. That suit alleged an array of forced hazing rituals, including players holding down a teammate while the players rubbed their crotches in the teammate’s face; naked drills and workouts; new players made to strip and run through a line of naked teammates covered in soap, known as the “Car Wash”; trading insults during rap battles and team dinners; and players made to drink protein shakes until they became sick.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

July 24: Crump and other Chicago attorneys announced a lawsuit on behalf of former NU quarterback and wide receiver Lloyd Yates against the university. That suit alleged an array of forced hazing rituals, including players holding down a teammate while the players rubbed their crotches in the teammate’s face; naked drills and workouts; new players made to strip and run through a line of naked teammates covered in soap, known as the “Car Wash”; trading insults during rap battles and team dinners; and players made to drink protein shakes until they became sick.

None of which is the same as taking 10-12 year old boys as a 50 year old man and isolating them naked when you were told not to already and you run a children's charity and should clearly know better. I get that neither one is good, but Frat houses all over this country haze the crap out of college aged people. The girls at some sororities do some evil crap too or at the very least used to. That isn't the same thing here....it's really not as a 10-12 year old isn't fully developed and is with a "trusted" adult. Buy hey...they got free tickets and stuff from their groomer so it's all good and it's probable he is innocent.....like .00002%.

 

[Pennst8]

Why is Michael Jackson still played on the radio?

Why is Cosby on TV? Why are Weinstein movies on Netflix? Why was Trump President? I don't effing know. I do know, that any one suggesting their innocence is an a*shole.

 

[Midnighter]

None of which is the same as taking 10-12 year old boys as a 50 year old man and isolating them naked when you were told not to already and you run a children's charity and should clearly know better. I get that neither one is good, but Frat houses all over this country haze the crap out of college aged people. The girls at some sororities do some evil crap too or at the very least used to. That isn't the same thing here....it's really not as a 10-12 year old isn't fully developed and is with a "trusted" adult. Buy hey...they got free tickets and stuff from their groomer so it's all good and it's probable he is innocent.....like .00002%.

Agree it’s not the same - but the evidence against Sandusky is really, really thin. Almost all of the victims who testified against him needed memory therapy to ‘remember’ the horrible things he did. And even then only when a payout was involved. I don’t think he’s innocent by a mile but almost certainly not a serial rapist of kids. I’d add this is not really worth revisiting; he’s toast, move on.

To the football culture thing, I remember sitting in study hall at a table with the best football players at my school (one of whom was a scholarship player at Penn State). One of them pulled his junk out of the bottom of his shorts, spit on his fingers, and started massaging himself not so discreetly under the table. I was stunned. Everyone else eas like - ha ha!

 

[Bob78]

Because that was the Merck(BOT has a Merck CEO running the show, can't remember his name) way like they did with the Vioxx scandal. Pay people off, get it out of the news as quickly as possible, and move on. People will forget about it...eventually....

Yes, Ken Frazier. He led the Merck response as their General Counsel, I think, and later became CEO.

The problem there is that there is not a clear correlation between a mega-corporation and a beloved institution like PSU when it comes to crisis management. The reaction of the Merck shareholders and employees is all but completely cold and disinterested, just looking to not having to think about it. Understandable.

Not so with Penn State, its alumni, fans, communities, networking systems.... There is a genuine "love" there, and the response of the stakeholders is anything but cold and disinterested. Throw in the Paterno factor, the greatest goodwill asset any athletic dept. has ever had, and the response to the BOT's idiocy is easily foreseen and understood. Except by Surma and Frazier et. al. The OGBOT didn't take that into consideration, showing a horrible lack of leadership, and their embarrassment for their miscalculation in that regard led to more and more inexplicable actions and inactions on their part.

Had they simply fought for the University, as all institutions learned to do from their blunders, things would be much different today. Spanier's initial response was the right way to go. There were too many close ties between some of the OGBOT and The Second Mile for them to risk anything but total destruction of the University they were charged with defending. Cowards all.

 

[marshall23]

Because that was the Merck(BOT has a Merck CEO running the show, can't remember his name) way like they did with the Vioxx scandal. Pay people off, get it out of the news as quickly as possible, and move on. People will forget about it...eventually....

Kenny Frazier

 

[Horse withno Game]

The mother and kid that used to ask Jerry for game tickets?

Yes, but isn't that also a pedophiles Modus Operandi?

You are correct...plus the DA Fina was disbarred for his actions during the trial....the General Counsel for PSU Cynthia Baldwin working both sides of the case without informing PSU defendents vanished from public view, and of course Tom Corbett pushing for Louis Freeh to do the Hatchet job on Paterno and Spanier. 2011 PSU ranked #1 in BCS points.
If you haven't read Graham Spanier's book...you should...it is well written, very deep and thorouth research/quotes/credits...also a terrific listing and description of all those associated with PSU.

Yes, I own it. Had purchased it on pre-order. I re-read it before I posted. This thread appears to be about the guilt/innocence of JS. So I limited my comment.

 

[Open Mind 1]

None of which is the same as taking 10-12 year old boys as a 50 year old man and isolating them naked when you were told not to already and you run a children's charity and should clearly know better. I get that neither one is good, but Frat houses all over this country haze the crap out of college aged people. The girls at some sororities do some evil crap too or at the very least used to. That isn't the same thing here....it's really not as a 10-12 year old isn't fully developed and is with a "trusted" adult. Buy hey...they got free tickets and stuff from their groomer so it's all good and it's probable he is innocent.....like .00002%.

With the MM kid inviting him to his wedding (as basically his adopted father) and the 98 kid texting him “Thank you for everything you have done for me. Happy Fathers Day!” years after said showers. This doesn’t happen after a crime.

 

[Bob78]

I cannot get my head around the idea of JS being totally innocent. So I never advocate for that.
(I care very much about the unthinkable wrongs that JVP, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier had to endure, so that's when I do my little part to help raise awareness of the right and wrong wrt them. Sometimes, those sides to the saga intersect).

But I do believe his trial was a sham, and he deserves a new trial. I do believe that a new trial with competent representation would reduce the number of guilty counts, however many that may be (see below). That in turn would reduce his sentence by some degree or another, and he could be released with time served. The PR fallout from that for PA State officials from a variety of offices will preclude that from ever happening. Doesn't mean he has not served an appropriate time by now. I don't know.

So, while I think it's moot, in the perfect world....
A new trial would expose the blatant lies and fabricated stories that were delivered by non-victims who received payouts, as aided and abetted by their attorney(s), that comprised a good number of those guilty counts. OGBOT leaders admitted that many of the payouts were made without vetting the stories, and knew they were most likely fabricated. That thar was some high-falutin' fidcuiaryin' goin' on there by the men and women running the show.

For those who are not aware, a thought-provoking discussion and set of interviews on this can be found on the podcast "With the Benefit of Hindsight", featuring John Ziegler (love him or hate him, he makes you think if you can keep an open mind). The interviews with Spanier and with Schultz are terrific, and both men showed a lot of courage to sit though those lengthy talks.

Other episodes are interesting when it comes to the BOT and the attorneys, among other aspects of the story. Episode 14, for example, is an interview with a Second Mile kid who was skeptical of the entire saga from the beginning. He is the person who posed as a victim with a made-up story and took it to the primary attorney for the victims, Andrew Shubin. He does quite the job of exposing the ease with which claims were made up and presented as truth and backed by 'experts' who ultimately made some, or a lot, of money that flew out of PSU's accounts and into their personal accounts with the ease of a bare butt ride on a greased slip'n'slide heading downhill. That was our money - via taxes, tuition, donations - at one time, and we had other ideas in mind for PSU to use it.

Anyway, if interested in taking the time to listen, the podcasts are still available on Spotify (and probably others too). There are a lot of episodes, and some are quite long, but the overall makes a lot of points that will give most everyone pause. Here's a link to that Episode 14:

Episode 14

 

[AvgUser]

You have to be effin kidding me!!! The man raped children!! WTF man! Sell your bul*sh*t somewhere else.

How are you so sure?

 

[AvgUser]

That was Kevin Frazier - aka "the jerk from Merck".

It’s actually “Kenneth”. He is a black man who also said “and people that look like you” when confronting and responding to a white guy at a BOT meeting with an open forum question. Yes, that jerk.

 

[psu7113]

Sandusky was never a serious candidate to be a head coach because he was a goofball. No AD and school would consider him a viable option. Then the 2nd mile clinched that he wasn't going to leave state college.

Well except for UVA.

 

[Horse withno Game]

With the MM kid inviting him to his wedding (as basically his adopted father) and the 98 kid texting him “Thank you for everything you have done for me. Happy Fathers Day!” years after said showers. This doesn’t happen after a crime.

It does happen with an adolescent who, with all his might, devotes his developing brain years forgetting about it.

 

[Open Mind 1]

It does happen with an adolescent who, with all his might, devotes his developing brain years forgetting about it.

Repressed memory therapy has long been debunked by the medical field. It’s a falsehood

 

[Open Mind 1]

Well except for UVA.

From what I understand, he had Maryland and Temple if he wanted them after the 2nd National Title, and was very close at UVA after the 2000 season before Groh entered at the 11th hour. Regarding the first two, he was under the impression he would be the next head coach at PSU so stayed, and was only willing to leave for another head coaching job if he could bring his charity with him.

 

[HappyValley1]

This thread is disgusting.

 

[Open Mind 1]

This thread is disgusting.

Yes. The lack of evidence, corruption, wrongful convictions, and firings were disgusting. Too many uninformed people who believe lazy narratives with the medias help. Clueless

 

[Horse withno Game]

Repressed memory therapy has long been debunked by the medical field. It’s a falsehood

On the morning of Friday, October 16, 1986, a pedophile teacher was caught with an adolescent. The adolescent had been drugged. While the gory stuff was happening police burst in and the teacher was arrested. Unbeknownst to the teacher, police had set up surveillance. The standard of proof those days was that the perpetrator had to be caught in the act. That's how it was done in those days. Is that the standard of proof you require?

 

[Open Mind 1]

On the morning of Friday, October 16, 1986, a pedophile teacher was caught with an adolescent. The adolescent had been drugged. While the gory stuff was happening police burst in and the teacher was arrested. Unbeknownst to the teacher, police had set up surveillance. The standard of proof those days was that the perpetrator had to be caught in the act. That's how it was done in those days. Is that the standard of proof you require?

Any sort of evidence like that would help, yes. But accusations alone, especially after saying nothing happened before civil attorneys were secured, is not enough. Period. A complete mockery of the justice system.

 

[Horse withno Game]

Any sort of evidence like that would help, yes. But accusations alone, especially after saying nothing happened before civil attorneys were secured, is not enough. Period. A complete mockery of the justice system.

It would help???? A victim being re-victimized would help????

 

[Horse withno Game]

It would help???? A victim being re-victimized would help????

Some full disclosure: Am not a new member. Starting my third subscription. I don't come here to participate in crappy threads. Feel bad for everyone who has to read this garbage.

 

[Open Mind 1]

It would help???? A victim being re-victimized would

Some full disclosure: Am not a new member. Starting my third subscription. I don't come here to participate in crappy threads. Feel bad for everyone who has to read this garbage.

Not a victim being re-victimized obviously, just some real evidence would help

 

[USAFLion]

I cannot believe people think this pig is innocent. He should be were all child molesters should be no matter if it was 1 kid or 200...and btw...it's never just 1 kid.

 

[Horse withno Game]

I cannot believe people think this pig is innocent. He should be were all child molesters should be no matter if it was 1 kid or 200...and btw...it's never just 1 kid.

It's never just one.

 

[Horse withno Game]

deleted. enough is enough.

 

[pamdlion]

Nil money doesn’t go to PSU.

That was always the response from the Catholic Church. Yes but the donations that went to PSU did. It is one pot of money. All in the way the pie is sliced.

 

[Open Mind 1]

I cannot believe people think this pig is innocent. He should be were all child molesters should be no matter if it was 1 kid or 200...and btw...it's never just 1 kid.

There are a lot of people who think he is innocent, including some very well known people. They came to this conclusion after doing some very basic research on the sham trial.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

With the MM kid inviting him to his wedding (as basically his adopted father) and the 98 kid texting him “Thank you for everything you have done for me. Happy Fathers Day!” years after said showers. This doesn’t happen after a crime.

Yeah.....except it clearly does happen Doc with victims of abuse and it's not even abnormal there. I know you think what you typed is true in your head, but no therapist, Doc, or psychologist is going to use your example to say someone is guilty of not when it comes to sexual abuse of minors. There are instances of fathers abusing women as kids and they walked them down the aisle for their weddings. To be honest when you typed this you really thought you were on to something, but you're just showing me you're clueless on the subject. It's as if you didn't learn anything at all when this occurred as it relates to victims of abuse.

Some people want or need to pretend Jerry is 100% innocent...have at it...I'm over it and he'll die in there. I get the anger about Joe and the others being dragged down unfairly due to the witch hunt that did occur, but that doesn't mean Jerry is innocent because the kids he abused as children didn't turn him in right away or kept in touch. The witch hunt was over the top and people used the public outcry to burn other people down.....doesn't make Jerry innocent. I can separate the 2.

I know you'll stay ignorant, but just try and get informed on the subject. If he's innocent, that isn't your smoking gun and it surely hasn't come out yet....just try and read those links....just try it. I know you won't and I know you're probably not a therapist or someone who works with victims of abuse due to what you say on the matter. Knowledge is scary...I get it. Have a good life....anyone that thinks what you typed is true isn't worth a another second of my time.

Common victim behaviors of survivors of sexual abuse | PCAR

In light of the recent media coverage related to Jerry Sandusky, the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape, the National Sexual Violence Resource Center and MaleSurvivor would like to remind members of the media about normal behaviors that are common for survivors of sexual abuse: Victim privacy...

pcar.org

Trauma Bonds (Stockholm syndrome) - Sexual Violence Help and Advice

As difficult as it may be for some to accept the consequences of abuse, sometimes victims become attached to their abuser; this is known as a trauma bond. This phrase was initially known as Stockholm syndrome, originating from an incident in Sweden where a group of bank robbers held bank…

sexualviolence.idas.org.uk

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/style/domestic-sexual-abuse-relationships-abuser.html

 

[HappyValley1]

Yes. The lack of evidence, corruption, wrongful convictions, and firings were disgusting. Too many uninformed people who believe lazy narratives with the medias help. Clueless

If you think Jerry Sandusky is innocent, I’m not the clueless one.

 

[Open Mind 1]

Yeah.....except it clearly does happen Doc with victims of abuse and it's not even abnormal there. I know you think what you typed is true in your head, but no therapist, Doc, or psychologist is going to use your example to say someone is guilty of not when it comes to sexual abuse of minors. There are instances of fathers abusing women as kids and they walked them down the aisle for their weddings. To be honest when you typed this you really thought you were on to something, but you're just showing me you're clueless on the subject. It's as if you didn't learn anything at all when this occurred as it relates to victims of abuse.

Some people want or need to pretend Jerry is 100% innocent...have at it...I'm over it and he'll die in there. I get the anger about Joe and the others being dragged down unfairly due to the witch hunt that did occur, but that doesn't mean Jerry is innocent because the kids he abused as children didn't turn him in right away or kept in touch. The witch hunt was over the top and people used the public outcry to burn other people down.....doesn't make Jerry innocent. I can separate the 2.

I know you'll stay ignorant, but just try and get informed on the subject. If he's innocent, that isn't your smoking gun and it surely hasn't come out yet....just try and read those links....just try it. I know you won't and I know you're probably not a therapist or someone who works with victims of abuse due to what you say on the matter. Knowledge is scary...I get it. Have a good life....anyone that thinks what you typed is true isn't worth a another second of my time.

Common victim behaviors of survivors of sexual abuse | PCAR

In light of the recent media coverage related to Jerry Sandusky, the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape, the National Sexual Violence Resource Center and MaleSurvivor would like to remind members of the media about normal behaviors that are common for survivors of sexual abuse: Victim privacy...

pcar.org

Trauma Bonds (Stockholm syndrome) - Sexual Violence Help and Advice

As difficult as it may be for some to accept the consequences of abuse, sometimes victims become attached to their abuser; this is known as a trauma bond. This phrase was initially known as Stockholm syndrome, originating from an incident in Sweden where a group of bank robbers held bank…

sexualviolence.idas.org.uk

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/style/domestic-sexual-abuse-relationships-abuser.html

We will always agree to disagree on the facts and evidence of this particular case. And that’s ok. I just really struggle with the zero prompt reports, zero dates (or in one case the changing of date by 3 years to get money) consistent changing of testimony, behaviors of those involved years later, and obvious lack of evidence. Impossible for an accused person to defend themselves if all of those things are ignorantly glossed over and dismissed. And a wrongful conviction can happen to anyone if this is the standard of proof.

 

[Erial_Lion]

We will always agree to disagree on the facts and evidence of this particular case. And that’s ok. I just really struggle with the zero prompt reports, zero dates (or in one case the changing of date by 3 years to get money) consistent changing of testimony, behaviors of those involved years later, and obvious lack of evidence. Impossible for an accused person to defend themselves if all of those things are ignorantly glossed over and dismissed. And a wrongful conviction can happen to anyone if this is the standard of proof.

The kid that he showered with that came home with his hair wet was reported immediately, was it not? That's certainly more than zero. Unless you think there are no red flags from putting his hand on the kid's thigh while in the car, working out with a kid for 15 minutes then telling him he needed to shower and getting him naked. Do you really see no concerns whatsoever with that behavior towards kid that you recently met?

And then, after being so shook up by it that he said "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.", he was back to showering with young naked boys again when Mike caught him...no concerns again?

 

[Bob78]

We will always agree to disagree on the facts and evidence of this particular case. And that’s ok. I just really struggle with the zero prompt reports, zero dates (or in one case the changing of date by 3 years to get money) consistent changing of testimony, behaviors of those involved years later, and obvious lack of evidence. Impossible for an accused person to defend themselves if all of those things are ignorantly glossed over and dismissed. And a wrongful conviction can happen to anyone if this is the standard of proof.

I think at this point, it is going to take a "death-bed" type of confession by one or more of the non-victims, or by the primary attorney (Ha!) to make people reconsider the accepted narrative*. Outside investigations won't move the needle all that far.

And even then, we know how hard it is for people to change their minds about anything in life even when being shown the facts. The first narrative tends to win over the hearts and minds; seems to be human nature.

The sheer numbers of people receiving payouts, regardless of actual victim status, and the large number of guilty counts, will tend to overshadow one person's finally deciding to tell the truth. It would take a few or more to do so, and throw some of the others under the bus at the same time, to make people notice and think about it with a fresh approach.

*Or, a confession by JS himself to confirm it.

My unpopular point is, believing that probably more than half of the payees were unjustified, is that JS has done 12+ years now, and even with legitimate, factual testimony and convictions, would probably be at the upper limit or over for the resulting sentence. This is why I think a new trial is needed. The 45 or so guilty counts would be greatly reduced, imo.

 

[Bob78]

The kid that he showered with that came home with his hair wet was reported immediately, was it not? That's certainly more than zero. Unless you think there are no red flags from putting his hand on the kid's thigh while in the car, working out with a kid for 15 minutes then telling him he needed to shower and getting him naked. Do you really see no concerns whatsoever with that behavior towards kid that you recently met?

And then, after being so shook up by it that he said "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.", he was back to showering with young naked boys again when Mike caught him...no concerns again?

JS was certainly his own worst enemy. His actions after the 1998 incident defied common sense, even if he was truly innocent of any wrongdoing.
Had Raykovitz - a mandated reporter - done the right thing when Curley went to him after the McQ report in 2001, and initiated a formal investigation, we may have had some concrete answers that are more widely understood and accepted.

People who knew him just did not believe he was capable of anything beyond boundary issues. And the experts who had their chance at looking into it deeper did not believe it either. That's why I say at the time, the red flags were too easily misunderstood by the non-professionals. They really did not know what they were dealing with.

 

[marshall23]

The kid that he showered with that came home with his hair wet was reported immediately, was it not? That's certainly more than zero. Unless you think there are no red flags from putting his hand on the kid's thigh while in the car, working out with a kid for 15 minutes then telling him he needed to shower and getting him naked. Do you really see no concerns whatsoever with that behavior towards kid that you recently met?

And then, after being so shook up by it that he said "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.", he was back to showering with young naked boys again when Mike caught him...no concerns again?

Wasn't that incident reported by the parent and investigation by LE ? Mike told story immediately to Dad and Dr. Dranov. They heard nothing that moved them to report. Mike was so upset, he made sure to tell Joe 6 weeks later.

 

[Open Mind 1]

The kid that he showered with that came home with his hair wet was reported immediately, was it not? That's certainly more than zero. Unless you think there are no red flags from putting his hand on the kid's thigh while in the car, working out with a kid for 15 minutes then telling him he needed to shower and getting him naked. Do you really see no concerns whatsoever with that behavior towards kid that you recently met?

And then, after being so shook up by it that he said "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.", he was back to showering with young naked boys again when Mike caught him...no concerns again?

Back then, showering after workouts was not uncommon, especially in open showers with foot traffic on the outside. Anyone could walk by who was in the building. I believe Jerry was too naive to think that having an adolescent in there was a red flag. I certainly don’t think he had sexual intent in either of those scenarios, especially with the openness of the locker room. Just my opinion. I also think he denies saying “I wish I were dead”.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

The kid that he showered with that came home with his hair wet was reported immediately, was it not? That's certainly more than zero. Unless you think there are no red flags from putting his hand on the kid's thigh while in the car, working out with a kid for 15 minutes then telling him he needed to shower and getting him naked. Do you really see no concerns whatsoever with that behavior towards kid that you recently met?

And then, after being so shook up by it that he said "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.", he was back to showering with young naked boys again when Mike caught him...no concerns again?

It was much more than just that. Jerry admitted to blowing raspberries on a 12 year hold boys stomach, not a toddler, a 12 year old. What normal grown adult does that to a male of female of that age? Even more so if you run a charity for underprivileged kids.

There were 8 victims that testified to being alone with Jerry and having something off occurred. Jerry had no defense and it's just Jerry being Jerry getting all of these troubled youths alone over and over again. You see it everyday in this country, if you don't like the reality in one place you can find someone who will say what you want to hear and it validates your opinion. That was Zeiglar to those who didn't want to and still won't believe what he did. Jerry has had his appeals all flop. No new evidence has come forward that exonerates him on the charges....yet somehow someone here who just joined the site spun this up again. I'm sure this thread will go down the same old rabbit holes, but nothing will come from it. Best to let some folks live in their own reality.

 

[marshall23]

I think at this point, it is going to take a "death-bed" type of confession by one or more of the non-victims, or by the primary attorney (Ha!) to make people reconsider the accepted narrative*. Outside investigations won't move the needle all that far.

And even then, we know how hard it is for people to change their minds about anything in life even when being shown the facts. The first narrative tends to win over the hearts and minds; seems to be human nature.

The sheer numbers of people receiving payouts, regardless of actual victim status, and the large number of guilty counts, will tend to overshadow one person's finally deciding to tell the truth. It would take a few or more to do so, and throw some of the others under the bus at the same time, to make people notice and think about it with a fresh approach.

*Or, a confession by JS himself to confirm it.

My unpopular point is, believing that probably more than half of the payees were unjustified, is that JS has done 12+ years now, and even with legitimate, factual testimony and convictions, would probably be at the upper limit or over for the resulting sentence. This is why I think a new trial is needed. The 45 or so guilty counts would be greatly reduced, imo.

Believing that Sandusky didn't get a fair trial is not an outrageous position to take. Questioning the narrative created by Sara Ganim, OAG Etc. Isn't difficult.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Back then, showering after workouts was not uncommon, especially in open showers with foot traffic on the outside. Anyone could walk by who was in the building. I believe Jerry was too naive to think that having an adolescent in there was a red flag. I certainly don’t think he had sexual intent in either of those scenarios, especially with the openness of the locker room. Just my opinion. I also think he denies saying “I wish I were dead”.

I'd say that even back then, showing with a kid that you recently met and worked out with for 15 minutes when he doesn't even have a change of clothes would be pretty uncommon...and when put in context with everything else, seems to be pretty suspicious. And then, he goes and does it again even after getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar?

 

[Erial_Lion]

Believing that Sandusky didn't get a fair trial is not an outrageous position to take. Questioning the narrative created by Sara Ganim, OAG Etc. Isn't difficult.

I don't believe Jerry got as fair of a trial as he should have...and I won't spend a minute worrying about it because PA is a safer place with him in prison.

 

[marshall23]

I don't believe Jerry got as fair of a trial as he should have...and I won't spend a minute worrying about it because PA is a safer place with him in prison.

Yes, fair trials are optional and only for people we like.