No I think what he is saying is it is bigger than that. The makeup of college football is going to happen. Playoffs were a rumor till they weren’t, expansion was a rumor until it wasn’t and I have feeling a league and governing body is in the horizon.
Expansion/Realignment Talk Heating Up Again
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Most Clemson people hate the SEC. Their record against the SEC is embarrassing. That’s why they made such a big deal out of beating 3 SEC teams in a row, back when TL was there. If they were to be a member, they would be a disgruntled member with a big chip on their shoulder. The 16 teams now in the SEC make for a great conference. Adding FSU and Clemson does not bring much we don’t already have. We already have one big cry baby on the way in Texas. Usually the dissatisfied stay dissatisfied.
More teams just means more schools you will not be able to schedule. Two more teams just splits the pie more times and lowers the individual school payout. (Would Clemson and FSU bring in more the 150 million? That’s the projected member share after the addition of TX and OK.)Right now there are 4 schools who do not want another SEC member sitting right next door. SC, Fla, KY, GA. We are adding two more in Texas and OK. I am sure Texas and AM don’t want more local teams and OK does not want OK ST. so that would represent over 1/3 of the conference.
A good general overview, my response is intended to be slightly more specific to the ACC, but as you pointed out, it may ultimately (7-10 years) become a 60 team league.
I've heard the 2-3 year range from my clemson friends (yes, we all have them). For them getting an invite, whether that is before or after the conference dissolves was left open.
To be fair, they still don't say which of the two will be giving out that invite.
The 2-3 year range is for schools to be going into another conference (it may be closer to 18-24 months). The 7-10 year window would be for a 60 team league, if in fact, that ever becomes a reality.
Yeah, I meant 2-3 years for Clemson moving, but I stated it ineloquently.
The GOR is between the schools and the conference. Any interest that ESPN has would have to be as a "third party beneficiary" of that agreement.....but I think their suit would be against the schools that left and not against any particular conference outside of the ACC. Now IF a conference got caught luring schools from the ACC before the GOR is settled, they could definitely be sued by the conference and/or the remaining schools for tortuous interference.
Business litigation is not something I get involved in often, so if I mistated something or missed a COA, please correct me.
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I agree with you. So for the schools that potentially leave, you’ve got to deal with ESPN, the ACC, and member schools that didn’t want to leave. What conference wants to sign up for that??
I believe the fans and viewers are going to wish it were Regional. I am afraid the realignment now and future will not be good for college football. The SEC is special because of the region it occupies. “It just means more” is not a ad gimmic. It does. Hope that we don’t throw away good things for some not as good things.
I see zero downsides to leaving the ACC for the big ten or SEC.
Naw. We need the ACC. We need the rivalry and the wins. Vandy is getting worn out filling in for homecoming. LOLOK. I read something about it and got the impression that it was the ACC taking action. Clemson told USC that that restriction would be dropped but Good Ole Paul wanted out. He was gonna make USC a CFB power with his "great recruiting" without those restrictions.
In the end, it worked out great for USC even tho it took 20 yrs. USC would still be looking at, if they agreed to that GOR, being stuck in that conference with no real guarantee of a great landing spot if conference ever collapsed. The turn has wormed.
The ACC was against USC because of McGuire's great recruiting and coaching. They were used to a W when playing the GCs. Some said they were gonna refuse to play USC in MBB because of that brawl and the biased ACC Commissioner took their side when it should have been an auto L with their refusal. What could have been with Grosso. I think Duke was behind his being disqualified. They treated USC, a founding member that deserved respect for that fact, shabbily and were giggling behind closed doors when USC withdrew.
Still POes me to this day.That's why I hope, hope the ACC collapses.
as bad as I hate them, I do not want them to go out of business. League rivalry is part of the enjoyment.
So much talk about ACC/B1G/SEC.
Too many overlooking another conference to make another move, sooner than later. Stay tuned.
Too many overlooking another conference to make another move, sooner than later. Stay tuned.
Has to be the Big 12…I figured they’d be the next to move regardless as they need to cherry pick before they are left completely with leftovers.
They cam get some of the P12 teams, but which ones would get them the cash?
Would that be a marriage for a large portion of ACC teams when they dissolve that conference?
Yep. B12 and P12 are on the cusp of falling apart. I think they’re going to try to position themselves for the ACC blood shed whenever that happens.
Arizona and ASU? Perhaps Utah, Cal and Stanford. If ACC schools start dispersing to the SEC and B1G, could see the Big 12 with some of the members that get passed over.
it should at least be enough to survive and be relatively competitive.
Since it's has now officially been leaked, I can now disclose the main players who are in serious talks. BIG12 - Colorado.
https://www.si.com/fannation/colleg...lege-football-expansion-colorado-big-12-talks
Charter member of predecessor conference the Big 7 (before Oklahoma St joined to make it the Big 8).
They were one of the schools that resented being under the thumb of the bully in Austin.
B12 is desperately trying to hang on. CO should have never left the B12. I don't think it's necessarily what they bring as much as they need warm bodies, P12 is falling apart, and there's a historical connection. My opinion remains that when it's all said and done, the big shift will be the major players in the ACC joining up with the B12. I think they're going to want to be a part of creating something they can lead, vs joining something they're immediately a mid level piece of.
Colorado,while being down lately has had periods of success.They won NC in early 90's....The admin at Colorado thought they were a cultural fit with the left coast schools,but found out the Pac 12 is dying out from under them.I kind of wish somehow things could revert back to the days of the Big 8 and SWC..Before the SEC took off the Big 8 or Big 12 or whatever you call it probably won more NC's than any conference with Nebraska and Oklahoma.
I thought this thread was about the dissolution of the ACC? Football season can't come soon enough.
I think they go hand-in-hand. I don’t see any movement on the GOR issue unless the ACC schools have a relatively comfortable landing spot and the SEC and B1G can’t or won’t take all of them. And the Big 12 is or will be the best positioned to take those the SEC and B1G won’t.
After giving this a little more thought, I can now see the logic behind this move. Colorado comes back to the B1G 12 conference (yes, I know that is not what it was when they left), revitalize dormant rivalries, pacifies many old guard alumni who never felt the PAC 12 was a cultural fit.
For the BiG 12, they return to the Denver/Boulder market, and many rivalries do not have to be manufactured, so the audience for future matchups are built in.
No they won't, just the ones that are deemed beneficial to each respective conference.
Agree. They are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
So, a blow up of the ACC would probably result in a few teams to the SEC, a few to the B10, and a few to the B12.
Those 3 "fews" probably add up to the necessary amount to dissolve the conference.
The first schools that leave the ACC would have to pay big sums of money to leave. And unless they have oil and natural gas money, like Texas and Oklahoma do, in order to fund an early exit, they are stuck. As my Dad told me when I was a kid wanting some expensive material items, there's no money tree in the back yard.
They would unless the exodus involved a large number of teams all at once, right?
You can't owe GOR money to a conference that doesn't exist.
I also believe that they'll be happier in the Big XII without the Austin Bully as a member; that may also be an incentive for them to come back.
What's left for them from the Big 8- Iowa State, the Kansas Schools, and Oklahoma State. From the SWC, Baylor and Texas Tech. Neither Nebraska nor Mizzou are coming back, and the Bully brings the Sooners along with them to the SEC.
What's left for them from the Big 8- Iowa State, the Kansas Schools, and Oklahoma State. From the SWC, Baylor and Texas Tech. Neither Nebraska nor Mizzou are coming back, and the Bully brings the Sooners along with them to the SEC.
True. That would take a lot of coordination and arm twisting. And I'm not sure that eastern seaboard teams would want to join the Big 12 or whatever they call themselves. Case in point: West Virginia who desperately want eastern partners.
IMO, an ideal Big East (football) conference should have been created in the 1980s and would consist of the following schools:
Penn State
Pitt
West Virginia
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
Rutgers
VPI
All states are contiguous. Sadly, this ship sailed when Penn State got invited to join the B1G.
Does anyone know how many ACC schools would have to leave to dissolve the ACC? I don't think NC State, Duke and Wake Forest would be willing to make things painless for UNC. The same holds true for Virginia Tech regarding UVA.
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