Expansion/Realignment Talk Heating Up Again

[Harvard Gamecock]

B12 is desperately trying to hang on. CO should have never left the B12. I don't think it's necessarily what they bring as much as they need warm bodies, P12 is falling apart, and there's a historical connection. My opinion remains that when it's all said and done, the big shift will be the major players in the ACC joining up with the B12. I think they're going to want to be a part of creating something they can lead, vs joining something they're immediately a mid level piece of.

I'm not so sure I could agree with that statement. This year 2023 the BIG 12 welcomes, Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati.
A 4 team expansion into some big markets doesn't give the appearance of "hanging on".
And, as we can see, they don't appear to be done with their expansion plans.

 

[Lurker123]

True. That would take a lot of coordination and arm twisting. And I'm not sure that eastern seaboard teams would want to join the Big 12 or whatever they call themselves. Case in point: West Virginia who desperately want eastern partners.

If I had to sell it, I would sell it as having an Eastern geographic division with enough ex-ACC teams and WVU.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Does anyone know how many ACC schools would have to leave to dissolve the ACC? I don't think NC State, Duke and Wake Forest would be willing to make things painless for UNC. The same holds true for Virginia Tech regarding UVA.

To the best of my knowledge, it has never been released. Remember reading where one attorney had to go to ACC HQ to review it….no copies allowed.

 

[gamecock stock]

To the best of my knowledge, it has never been released. Remember reading where one attorney had to go to ACC HQ to review it….no copies allowed.

I suspect that the ACC got the very best Duke Law School grads to put together an ironclad agreement after looking at all the possible breakup scenarios. I've no inside information on that speculation. But I don't think it takes a Phi Beta Kappa graduate to conclude that the ACC honchos took no chances and made no optimistic assumptions when they put together the GOR. I don't think it's a coincidence that the ACC gave a little favorable treatment to schools participating in the post-season. Those schools took whatever crumbs the ACC would give them, as there are hardly any other favorable options for them. And glancing at TNET, I see no discussion about Clemson leaving the ACC That tells me all I need to know. The bottom line is that I don't see SEC expansion on the horizon. There are no credible schools available for a long, long time.

 

[Lurker123]

And glancing at TNET, I see no discussion about Clemson leaving the ACC That tells me all I need to know.

I have perused another dreaded tiger site, who is talking about it. And the supposed insider info that is hinted at but never flatly stated is a 2-3 year timeframe for Clemson to leave the acc.

I'm not going to begin to claim its accurate, but it is still being discussed somewhat. Fwiw.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Colorado,while being down lately has had periods of success.They won NC in early 90's....The admin at Colorado thought they were a cultural fit with the left coast schools,but found out the Pac 12 is dying out from under them.I kind of wish somehow things could revert back to the days of the Big 8 and SWC..Before the SEC took off the Big 8 or Big 12 or whatever you call it probably won more NC's than any conference with Nebraska and Oklahoma.

I think the difference between Colorado back in the Big 12 and Ga Tech in the SEC is Colorado's commitment level equals or nearly equals the other members of the Big 12 while Ga Tech even with the Atl market won't commit to playing on the same level as Ga or Ala or Texas A&M and so on.Not a fit at all,whereas Colorado still fits in the Big 12.

 

[bayrooster]

I have perused another dreaded tiger site, who is talking about it. And the supposed insider info that is hinted at but never flatly stated is a 2-3 year timeframe for Clemson to leave the acc.

I'm not going to begin to claim its accurate, but it is still being discussed somewhat. Fwiw.

No excitement on taternet about possibly moving to the SEC?

 

[Anon1658788697]

Basically all we know if there is a GOR and teams are unhappy about money disparities, that’s it.

 

[Lurker123]

No excitement on taternet about possibly moving to the SEC?

I wouldn't know, I don't go there. I will leave that to Stock.

 

[KingWard]

I'm not so sure I could agree with that statement. This year 2023 the BIG 12 welcomes, Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati.
A 4 team expansion into some big markets doesn't give the appearance of "hanging on".
And, as we can see, they don't appear to be done with their expansion plans.

The Big 12 is in an excellent position to become the third most relevant Power Five conference.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

while Ga Tech even with the Atl market won't commit to playing on the same level as Ga or Ala or Texas A&M and so on.

Ga Tech just recently fired their AD , and hired J. Bratt who was Executive Deputy Director of Athletics / CEO from Alabama, and hired a new FB coach as well.
Whether they see immediate success remains to be seen, but it appears there is a new level of commitment to the Athletic Department.

 

[Anon1658788697]

The Big 12 is in an excellent position to become the third most relevant Power Five conference.

Only if the ACC collapses.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Only if the ACC collapses.

Not really.
They may target 2 or 3 schools from the ACC , but the main focus is squarely on 4 Pac 12 schools as we speak.
That would give them coverage in every time zone in the US.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Ga Tech just recently fired their AD , and hired J. Bratt who was Executive Deputy Director of Athletics / CEO from Alabama, and hired a new FB coach as well.
Whether they see immediate success remains to be seen, but it appears there is a new level of commitment to the Athletic Department.

You know we talk about one school states like Louisiana and Nebraska ,but for all intents and purposes Georgia is a one school state.I think more kids look to Clemson and Auburn than to Ga Tech.Even when Ga Tech won the NC with Bobby Ross as HC,most of their recruiting was done in the NE due to Ross's and Ralph Friedgen's ties to NY.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

You know we talk about one school states like Louisiana and Nebraska ,but for all intents and purposes Georgia is a one school state.I think more kids look to Clemson and Auburn than to Ga Tech.Even when Ga Tech won the NC with Bobby Ross as HC,most of their recruiting was done in the NE due to Ross's and Ralph Friedgen's ties to NY.

Sad, but true. GT is barely given any coverage here in the Atlanta area no less. They did get some love when George O'Leary was the HC, and even some during the Paul Johnson better years. Personally I would love to see GT better themselves and be competitive with UGA. UGA fans just lose their s**t when they lose to GT, it makes for a nice Saturday.

 

[Anon1658788697]

Not really.
They may target 2 or 3 schools from the ACC , but the main focus is squarely on 4 Pac 12 schools as we speak.
That would give them coverage in every time zone in the US.

That’s just it I don’t see how 2-3 schools get out and not be bound by the GOR. It will take a mass exodus.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

That’s just it I don’t see how 2-3 schools get out and not be bound by the GOR. It will take a mass exodus.

I said months ago that when the vote comes to dissolve the ACC it will be unanimous.

 

[KingWard]

Only if the ACC collapses.

I'm not thinking that would be necessary. UCF already projects to go around FSU in TV payout in about three to five years. If Big 12 money gets to where it exceeds ACC money, then that league's schools will be able to buy overall league supremacy in due course - way before 2036.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Have to say that it appears Swofford's binding of the ACC schools to this terrible agreement will go down as one of the worst moves of the last 100 years,right up there with Hitler's invasion of Russia and W's invasion of Iraq.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

That’s just it I don’t see how 2-3 schools get out and not be bound by the GOR. It will take a mass exodus.

Let's be clear, I said the BIG 12 would target 2-3 schools from the ACC. That is not saying only those 2-3 will leave the ACC.

 

[atl-cock]

I said months ago that when the vote comes to dissolve the ACC it will be unanimous.

And when the most recent additions joined the vote was unanimous. Face-saving and gentlemanly.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

And when the most recent additions joined the vote was unanimous. Face-saving and gentlemanly.

I Guess.

 

[atl-cock]

I said months ago that when the vote comes to dissolve the ACC it will be unanimous.

And when the most recent additions joined the vote was unanimous. Face-saving and gentlemanly.

I Guess.

From what I read, Dook and UnCarolina (UNC = the University of Northern Colorado) were opposed to adding all those BE schools as members. Maybe some arm-twisting took place. Does it look right for Syracuse to encounter a couple of members who publically state that the Orangepeople were not welcome?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

From what I read, Dook and UnCarolina (UNC = the University of Northern Colorado) were opposed to adding all those BE schools as members. Maybe some arm-twisting took place. Does it look right for Syracuse to encounter a couple of members who publically state that the Orangepeople were not welcome?

Yeah, I guess so.

 

[gamecock stock]

I have perused another dreaded tiger site, who is talking about it. And the supposed insider info that is hinted at but never flatly stated is a 2-3 year timeframe for Clemson to leave the acc.

I'm not going to begin to claim its accurate, but it is still being discussed somewhat. Fwiw.

I know I'm in the minority here when I say clemson to the SEC would not bother me. Why? Because they would immediately lose their cupcake path to the playoffs. I just don't think people realize here what an advantage Clemson has on us in the ACC . The response is that the SEC gives us a recruiting advantage. My response to that is: you don't think that Clemson having an easy road to the playoffs is a recruiting advantage for them? Here is the recruiting pitches:

USC: "Come to South Carolina and play in the premier college football conference in the nation".
Clemson: "Come to Clemson where you have basically a chip shot to the college football playoffs to play for a national championship and possibly become a national champion for the rest of your life".

Take off your garnet-colored glasses and answer which of those 2 recruiting pitches is more attractive to you? To me, the clemson recruiting pitch is more attractive.

I'm just glad that tomatoes can't make it through computer monitors because I'm sure I'd be covered in red right now from fellow Gamecocks.

Clemson to the SEC in 2-3 years? Anything is possible. I know little and claim less. But what I do know is that I would not panic if I was among Gamecock fans who don't want it to happen. To Clemson fans who want in the SEC I say: be careful what you wish for.

 

[KingWard]

I know I'm in the minority here when I say clemson to the SEC would not bother me. Why? Because they would immediately lose their cupcake path to the playoffs. I just don't think people realize here what an advantage Clemson has on us in the ACC . The response is that the SEC gives us a recruiting advantage. My response to that is: you don't think that Clemson having an easy road to the playoffs is a recruiting advantage for them? Here is the recruiting pitches:

USC: "Come to South Carolina and play in the premier college football conference in the nation".
Clemson: "Come to Clemson where you have basically a chip shot to the college football playoffs to play for a national championship and possibly become a national champion for the rest of your life".

Take off your garnet-colored glasses and answer which of those 2 recruiting pitches is more attractive to you? To me, the clemson recruiting pitch is more attractive.

I'm just glad that tomatoes can't make it through computer monitors because I'm sure I'd be covered in red right now from fellow Gamecocks.

Clemson to the SEC in 2-3 years? Anything is possible. I know little and claim less. But what I do know is that I would not panic if I was among Gamecock fans who don't want it to happen. To Clemson fans who want in the SEC I say: be careful what you wish for.

I'm right there with you. But it's moot for the foreseeable future. BIG, BIG things have to happen for the possibility to even arise. Plus, the SEC might look elsewhere when and if the BIG, BIG things happen.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

To Clemson fans who want in the SEC I say: be careful what you wish for.

I know a lot of clem fans unfortunately, including my own brother. They have never said to me that they want in the SEC.

 

[gamecock stock]

I know a lot of clem fans unfortunately, including my own brother. They have never said to me that they want in the SEC.

Do you think that maybe they look at Nebraska, Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland and see that those schools have overall worse records after joining the Big 10 than in the same number of seasons before entering the Big 10? I have respect for Big 10 football. But, it's not the SEC. And frankly, I don't believe the Big 10 is even close to the SEC., top to bottom.

 

[TN-Gamecock]

Have to say that it appears Swofford's binding of the ACC schools to this terrible agreement will go down as one of the worst moves of the last 100 years,right up there with Hitler's invasion of Russia and W's invasion of Iraq.

No I would say the ACC hiring Swofford to begin with, was one of the worst moves in the last 100 years. Look at what's he's done; added NE private schools to the ACC, handed down extra years of penalties to Clemson and FSU, kept UNC in the forefront of the ACC (preferred scheduling for the football team so as not to have to play Clemson every year and allowing cheating to go on with athletes to keep them eligible with all the writing of papers/African American Studies classes).

Swofford was a royal pos....I hope it's due to HIS GOR agreement that sinks the ACC. He will go down as the worst ever commissioner of any conference in NCAA history.

 

[Lurker123]

Do you think that maybe they look at Nebraska, Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland and see that those schools have overall worse records after joining the Big 10 than in the same number of seasons before entering the Big 10? I have respect for Big 10 football. But, it's not the SEC. And frankly, I don't believe the Big 10 is even close to the SEC., top to bottom.

If the money was equal, the B10 would probably be a better landing spot for clemson. Easier path each year.

On a side note, I was told ND, Miami and Arizona state just got aau status.

 

[Barb1936]

I tend to agree, but many in our fan base on this very forum have said they would gladly give up the series with Clemson if it means keeping Clemson out of the SEC. I suspect there's a good bit of internet forum hyperbole mixed in with some of those responses, but you would think USC and Clemson fans would defend maintaining the rivalry at all costs.

My understanding is that Carolina and clemson must play according to state law

 

[Rogue Cock]

If the money was equal, the B10 would probably be a better landing spot for clemson. Easier path each year.

On a side note, I was told ND, Miami and Arizona state just got aau status.

Clemson won’t get an invite to the B1G and you may want to look at the B1Gs media contract before saying if it were equal.

 

[Rogue Cock]

My understanding is that Carolina and clemson must play according to state law

Urban legend….no such state law.

 

[Rogue Cock]

If the money was equal, the B10 would probably be a better landing spot for clemson. Easier path each year.

On a side note, I was told ND, Miami and Arizona state just got aau status.

Them Miami to the B1G along with UNC and UVA. Just my guess.

 

[Lurker123]

Clemson won’t get an invite to the B1G and you may want to look at the B1Gs media contract before saying if it were equal.

I was just setting aside the money to discuss how, if all things were equal, the b10 would be an easier path for them.

 

[Lurker123]

Urban legend….no such state law.

How many times can this be corrected before people stop bringing it up?

 

[Rogue Cock]

I was just setting aside the money to discuss how, if all things were equal, the b10 would be an easier path for them.

Gotcha….don’t think that path is much, if any, easier unless you can avoid TOSU and Michigan.

 

[KingWard]

Urban legend….no such state law.

How many times must this myth be debunked?

 

[Rogue Cock]

How many times must this myth be debunked?

Waaaay too many.

 

[TeeCock]

And then trimming the roster right before football season began.

There were home games where they dressed out more than 100 players.