Expansion/Realignment Talk Heating Up Again
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Perhaps there's some conference homerism involved. But I also am considering that you can lose probably 2 games and still be in the top 10-12.
I simply think the b10 doesn't offer as much resistance to that than the SEC does.
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The number one law firm in the USA for labor and litigation is the Ogeltree firm in Greenville, proudly run, mostly by SC graduates. The guys from Duke are amateurs.
The SC General Assembly passed a law in 1952 stating the USC and Clemron must play each other in football during the 1952 season. That's all. The legislation covered 1952 only.
This was in light of the SoCon passing legislation in 1951 banning member schools from accepting bowl bids. Clemron and Maryland said, "f*** this, we're bowling." The SoCon retaliated by banning the two from playing other member schools in football for 1952, although the league allowed them to schedule each other. And that's what prompted the General Assembly to act.
Somehow, it became urban legend that this legislation applied for all time.
If you think for just a moment, note that USC and Clemron did not play each other in football in 2020.
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I downplay football and actually resent not the game, but its preeminent position in athletics. All athletes work hard at their chosen sport(s) and I do my best to respect that, regardless of whether or not I follow the individual sport.
But I also have no problem with my biggest rival as a fellow conference member. Us leaving the ACC did not damage the rivalry (although I wasn't keen on McGuire cancelling basketball with them for 5 years starting with our second year as an independent), but it could have been better if we were in the same league.
If your rival is a fellow conference member, the competition has heightened interest, and it just means more.
IF/When we eventually move to 9 conference games, Clemson in the SEC is the most logical thing for us. If not, then we're playing 10 P5 games/year. That's a major handicap for us, considering that many years we rely on the 3 cupcake games to get bowl eligible. And, as mentioned above. Clemson's path in the SEC is immeasurably more difficult than in the ACC. They would have been a minimum 4-loss team in the SEC last year.
Been listening to some FSU stuff and interesting how they frame it..First,they are absolutely dying to get out of the ACC.Secondly,they feel the SEC is a much better cultural fi and the geography makes sense.Thirdly,they might have the Big 10 throw a ridiculous amount of money at them in order to get in the Florida market,but the idea of home games against Illinois,Minnesota,Rutgers,Maryland.NW and the like does not excite them.The possibility of having the SEC teams visit maybe save Missouri and Vanderbilt does excite them.
If the B1G goes after anyone in Florida (and I believe they will) it will be Miami who just received their invitation to the AAU. FSU does not meet the conference’s qualifications.
You quite conveniently picked the mid to lower teams from the B1G. Other matchups to consider Penn St, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin, and even Iowa.
Those I mentioned would create some very intriguing matchups worth watching.
This is pretty much what the feeling in Tallahassee was in 1990 regarding geography/culture. Then the faculty felt the academics around the ACC was something they preferred to associate with.
I discount competition against Maryland because they did compete against Maryland in all sports for about 20 years.
No, I didn't pick the mid level teams as an example..That was their example and their reasoning....ACC to Big 10 ,you'd have a few marquee matchups but many non exciting games..More and better matchups in the SEC..One particular issue was visiting team travel...Yeah,Ohio State ,Michigan,Penn State ad Nebraska fans would make the trip but how many would Rutgers bring.Probaly about as many as Syracuse or BC.Wheras the SEC travels much better and much be in much closer proximity....Hence, the better fit with SEC but money talks so who knows what would happen if the Big 10 throws an incredible offer their way.Again,these are not my words and thoughts but what I hear/read from FSU people.
I would think it doesn't have to be an incredible offer (which it would be anyway), it only has to be the first one.
I have to believe there is much going on behind the scenes right now.Such as conferences talking with their TV partners about much a contract with Schools x,y,z added would bring...With that information I would be surprised if the conference presidents haven't been polled on their schools interest in expansion....With all that I have to believe back channels contacts to these schools are happening and I would be surprised if a school like FSU,UNC ,or Va didn't get multiple offers contingent on them getting out of the GOR somehow.
Not sure about the new Big 10 commissioner but I can;t image Sankey getting caught unaware on all this.
Not sure about the new Big 10 commissioner but I can;t image Sankey getting caught unaware on all this.
Proximity doesn't really matter anymore. In fact, it's probably better for TV contracts if they're spread out. That just ensures more people have to watch than actually go to the games. The universities can get rid of seats and add luxury boxes. The only thing that really matters anymore is TV viewership analytics.
This is true. And the conference doing the offering would have to be 100% assured they will be able to broadcast their home games.
The GOR does not restrict the broadcast of ACC home games to any one entity. It addresses the broadcast revenues of said home games.
That's not the way I read it. Section 1 spells it out pretty plainly. The ACC owns all rights to produce and distribute the games, even if the member leaves. Also in section 2 is clearly states that the conference owns all copyrights to the "works", which is defined as all audiovisual content for the games. But I am no lawyer, so you may be able to point me to where it's just the revenue.
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As it points out, the RIGHTS to produce and distribute, so let's take the scenario that School A leaves, the home game can still be broadcast and produced, but the "rights" = revenue, would default to the ACC.
Proximity should matter if the travel is hard on students who must keep up with classes. And online, while good, isn't the same as being in a live classroom.
I guess it's all semantics, but the bottom line is that if Clem were to end up in the SEC next year, the ACC could do what they wanted to with the TV broadcast of those games. And would retain 100% of those games for the next 10 years. Neither Clem nor the SEC would have any control over how those games are broadcasted. Those game MUST be broadcasted under the ESPN ACC deal. Would it be broadcasted and marketed as an ACC game? Technically, as far as TV goes, it's an ACC game. That's just a mess than nobody would want to deal with.
Jesus this is not the GOR it’s been debunked many times. It is a fact that the only way the contract can be viewed is at acc headquarters. School representatives have stated this. With that said if that is the case there is no way that is real.
We have these things called airplanes. Also when are y’all going to realize that school now comes second.
Yep, no longer student athletes - now professional college athletes.
We are participating in the "just suppose" exercise. As far as I know the most recent GOR has not been made public, so it's anyones guess to the true contents.
One thing I am certain of, the schools that may leave early, will have made sure that any financial liabilities will be mitigated to be, at worst manageable, or at best negligible
I get that. But it’s all we got to look at. And if the language was softened in the update it would have been challenged by now.
First of all you don’t know this was even a rough draft. Secondly if it’s the not final contract it doesn’t control crap. So it’s no reason to even bring it into the discussion.
Many keep repeating this mantra as if this is the reason no one has attempted to leave.
The discussions/rumors/innuendoes of schools wanting to leave now is due to the new TV Revenue contracts that will dwarf the existing revenues streams. Before this although the ACC revenues were somewhat lagging, it was not considered an imminent threat to the status quo, as it is now. Therefore the talks of dissension and desertion.
Many on here for self-serving reasons continue to argue why/how the ACC will have to remain in their present status, and more specifically why Clemson should not/will not join the SEC
They are setting themselves up for a major disappointment, and sooner than later.
So because you’re in college, you should have to ride a bus. Wth? Again, it’s not about school.
Ok, well it’s not and it’s not going to be. You’re stuck in the past. Things evolve. Sorry. I don’t see the problem.
Create a minor league for those whom school does not matter.
Sometimes, the past is better than the present and future.
You will be left with very few players. We argue all day about his but it’s not going backwards. It hasn’t been about school in 30 years. Players were being payed in the 90’s. This is archaic thinking. It’s time to move on. College football is just as good as it has ever been. More so look at the data.