FC: Blue-Chip Ratio 2023 - Is Franklin recruiting as well as we think?

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To that end, what is the draw to Columbus? More urban? More NIL? Better coaches/NFL pipeline? Uniforms? Less 'school'? More tradition? Big thing with OSU is they keep nearly everyone they want from Ohio, which is a top HS football state. We do pretty well with PA top ten, but have a few big misses on record (Rucci, Fleming, McCord, Harrison, etc.).
PA High School Football is a mere shadow of what it once was. Ohio has fallen off but not as severely. But where we used to get our share of Ohio stars, we now get very, very few.

Must recruit DMV, but football roots do not run as deep as it once did in PA and Ohio.

And need to get more 5-stars. And football players (not just athletes).

Finally, must do a better job of developing talent.
 

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And that is my point! Franklin is close, but he needs to have more of these type players if he wants to be "elite" and compete with OSU and UM on a regular basis.
tOSU has been on cruise control for a while now and NIL opened the door for PSU to up their game, but PSU has a small delusional portion of their fan base overall that wants a title with less talent than others or pretend the talent is apples to apples. They also don't want to up the NIL game until he wins that title which it pretty counter productive IMO. They want to think PSU is elite, but they aren't and haven't been consistently elite in decades. Just like countless other big schools.

PSU is knocking at the door and looking in the window, but cannot break through. UM lost to tOSU 7 straight times under Harbaugh and it made him into a cheater. Now all of a sudden he's a genius to the world when just 2 years ago the UM folks wanted him gone. He took a paycut to stay, but now he's smart I guess????? Certain areas still do need improvement....WR is certainly one. DT recruiting is another spot where you raise an eyebrow even as good as the defense has been playing. PSU isn't landing the Wilkins or other interior impact players. They haven't in a while, but hopefully Barnes can do some work there. It doesn't mean JF cannot or shouldn't beat them every few years as that is the goal. Then again the B1G is littered with coaches who beat tOSU every year or two.....oh wait...no they aren't. Harbaugh is 2-7 and now is labeled a cheater....but that extra win puts him over the top I guess.
 
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tOSU has been on cruise control for a while now and NIL opened the door for PSU to up their game, but PSU has a small delusional portion of their fan base overall that wants a title with less talent than others or pretend the talent is apples to apples. They also don't want to up the NIL game until he wins that title which it pretty counter productive IMO. They want to think PSU is elite, but they aren't and haven't been consistently elite in decades. Just like countless other big schools.

PSU is knocking at the door and looking in the window, but cannot break through. UM lost to tOSU 7 straight times under Harbaugh and it made him into a cheater. Now all of a sudden he's a genius to the world when just 2 years ago the UM folks wanted him gone. He took a paycut to stay, but now he's smart I guess????? Certain areas still do need improvement....WR is certainly one. DT recruiting is another spot where you raise an eyebrow even as good as the defense has been playing. PSU isn't landing the Wilkins or other interior impact players. They haven't in a while, but hopefully Barnes can do some work there. It doesn't mean JF cannot or shouldn't beat them every few years as that is the goal. Then again the B1G is littered with coaches who beat tOSU every year or two.....oh wait...no they aren't. Harbaugh is 2-7 and now is labeled a cheater....but that extra win puts him over the top I guess.

Why yes, if only PSU fans would give up more of their earnings for NIL so that we can get better talent that can overcome the coach’s play calling stupidity
 

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Why yes, if only PSU fans would give up more of their earnings for NIL so that we can get better talent that can overcome the coach’s play calling stupidity
So a ton of schools with less talent are knocking off tOSU, Bama, UGa.....etc. Got it. Everyone has bad coaches but 3-4 schools really according to message board nonsense. You line up that PSU WR room and OSU WR room and they're basically identical.

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Interesting. I think many would expect PSU’s recruiting to be consistently top 10-15, but be a considerable cut below the elite schools like Bama, Georgia and Ohio St. That graphic shows that.

Two trends not addressed are successful use of the Portal to fill holes and position-specific recruiting. The portal seems to be how Michigan had emerged as an elite team. They also hit the jackpot with McCarthy at QB. Having a top QB and running game covers up a lot of other issues.
BCR is just another red herring. GA, AL, MI, OSU are getting the best linesmen on offense and defense. The teams that block/tackle the best are going to win. A mediocre RB/QB will look like Heisman material with a great OL. You win upfront with the OL and DL --- period.
 

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BTW for those that pay for the site, check out Sean's article on WR recruiting. That gap isn't closing anytime soon FWIW minus some Portal help.
 
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So a ton of schools with less talent are knocking off tOSU, Bama, UGa.....etc. Got it. Everyone has bad coaches but 3-4 schools really according to message board nonsense. You line up that PSU WR room and OSU WR room and they're basically identical.

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Do you think a team that signs QBs with credentials like Allar, RBs with credentials like Singleton/Allen and a decent OL, a very good defense can't find a receiver or two of similar quality because of the lack of NIL?
 

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Do you think a team that signs QBs with credentials like Allar, RBs with credentials like Singleton/Allen and a decent OL, a very good defense can't find a receiver or two of similar quality because of the lack of NIL?
Read Sean's article, compare those to tOSU's and get back to me. One WR coach who recruited those guys was let go harshly so you tell me if JF saw an issue there or not?

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So a ton of schools with less talent are knocking off tOSU, Bama, UGa.....etc. Got it. Everyone has bad coaches but 3-4 schools really according to message board nonsense. You line up that PSU WR room and OSU WR room and they're basically identical.

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I’m sorry. Did someone honestly suggest that Penn State’s receivers and Ohio State’s receivers are on the same level?

Did I read that right?
 

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I’m sorry. Did someone honestly suggest that Penn State’s receivers and Ohio State’s receivers are on the same level?

Did I read that right?
I think you read it just fine. What some people are saying is the talent is equal with tOSU and talent is not an issue, it's just that missing coach to beat tOSU.
 

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I think you read it just fine. What some people are saying is the talent is equal with tOSU and talent is not an issue, it's just that missing coach to beat tOSU.

I think that there are some people who have a very healthy set of Blue and White glasses.

Penn State is not on equal footing with Ohio State when it comes to talent.

With that being said, neither is Notre Dame and they basically had Ohio State beat until 10 men on the field. The difference is that Notre Dame has Sam Hartman and Penn State doesn’t. Is it coaching? Is it QB talent? I don’t have your answer for that.
 
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I think you read it just fine. What some people are saying is the talent is equal with tOSU and talent is not an issue, it's just that missing coach to beat tOSU.
It’s a circular problem on offense. We have no identity or vision, therefore the players we have don’t succeed and we can’t attract better recruits.

Look at Singleton and Allen as a case study. There have been some high end WRs who flamed out too.
 
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I think you read it just fine. What some people are saying is the talent is equal with tOSU and talent is not an issue, it's just that missing coach to beat tOSU.

Watching the one hour replay of the game it looks like OSU has 12 people on the field at all times. They just swarm on D - our RBs found holes every now and then, but the bigger issue was no open WR's for Allar. I think Clifford is a great safety for a young QB in the slot, and KLS is pretty solid - but the drop off after that seems big. Saunders TD catch was very good. Other issues that were overshadowed by absolute offensive ineptitude were key penalties - namely both King brothers at critical times; Kalen on MHJr on the defensive TD (which had no impact on the play IMO), and Kobe roughing the passer which refreshed OSU's downs and put them even closer to the goal.
 
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I think that there are some people who have a very healthy set of Blue and White glasses.

Penn State is not on equal footing with Ohio State when it comes to talent.

With that being said, neither is Notre Dame and they basically had Ohio State beat until 10 men on the field. The difference is that Notre Dame has Sam Hartman and Penn State doesn’t. Is it coaching? Is it QB talent? I don’t have your answer for that.
Where was that ND game played again? There is a difference there and that same ND crapped the bed against Louisville who they are more talented than so that comparison you're trying to make isn't holding up very well. We have also seen our young QB look much better at home than on the road so far in his career. Hopefully that continues when they play UM or they will get trucked even worse. PSU was an an underdog on the road and lost to a team with more talent, but we should act surprised? Ok then.
 

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Ahead of UM. Wonder what excuse fanboys come up with when they blow doors off next mont.
 

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Watching the one hour replay of the game it looks like OSU has 12 people on the field at all times. They just swarm on D - our RBs found holes every now and then, but the bigger issue was no open WR's for Allar. I think Clifford is a great safety for a young QB in the slot, and KLS is pretty solid - but the drop off after that seems big. Saunders TD catch was very good. Other issues that were overshadowed by absolute offensive ineptitude were key penalties - namely both King brothers at critical times; Kalen on MHJr on the defensive TD (which had no impact on the play IMO), and Kobe roughing the passer which refreshed OSU's downs and put them even closer to the goal.
It's the little things like penalties and the timing of them that can kill you when you're a dog on the road facing a top 10 team. The hold which was a hold on King really cost PSU a big 7 points. Struggling O or not that hurt, but it was rightfully called. I also understand that CB's have to be handsy when covering someone like Harrison or they are toast...not blaming him at all...the timing as you said just sucked.
 

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Ahead of UM. Wonder what excuse fanboys come up with when they blow doors off next mont.
Pssst, they are better than PSU. What I wonder is how if people know this and yet enact the feaux outrage over it. They are better on both line, QB play, and their RB's along with that ground game dominated both tOSU and PSU. So either you know they are better and just want to vent or you don't know they are better and are just oblivous to that fact, but want to vent.

You're a Joebot talking about streaks to UM......zoom out a little bit and realize how ironic you are of all people to post that about PSU and UM.
 
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Good memory. Didn’t he leave when the sanctions kicked in and kids could transfer with no penalty?
I think so. He and McGloin killed us in that Bowl game against FLA.
 

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Because they have an identity and they lean hard into it.
Yes. He didn’t try to be somethjng he isn’t. You can’t get players just to beat one team when they recruit better. So you better come up with your own identity and make it happen.
 

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To that end, what is the draw to Columbus? More urban? More NIL? Better coaches/NFL pipeline? Uniforms? Less 'school'? More tradition? Big thing with OSU is they keep nearly everyone they want from Ohio, which is a top HS football state. We do pretty well with PA top ten, but have a few big misses on record (Rucci, Fleming, McCord, Harrison, etc.).
More tattoos ??? LOL
 

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I also believe there's a ceiling and a floor within the individual stars system (3*, 4* & 5*) itself. In other words, I believe each level has four or five sublevels and trying to figure out where a kids talent falls is where a scout earns his bread and butter. For a while Alabama cornered the market on assessing elite talent, for a short while it was Clemson and now it's Georgia. There's no easy way to say this but the moment a school starts to mandate Character, APR rankings and Graduation rates recruiting becomes much much tougher.
 

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On the flip side, there a few schools on that list that PSU usually ends the season with more wins than them despite them recruiting higher ranked players. Does that mean their coaches underachieve? Or is Franklin and Co doing more with less?

Neither. It means the Big Ten is a disgrace in terms of parity. There are 2 very good teams (Tho they never win it all). One good team (us) and 11 deadbeats
 

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tOSU has been on cruise control for a while now and NIL opened the door for PSU to up their game, but PSU has a small delusional portion of their fan base overall that wants a title with less talent than others or pretend the talent is apples to apples. They also don't want to up the NIL game until he wins that title which it pretty counter productive IMO. They want to think PSU is elite, but they aren't and haven't been consistently elite in decades. Just like countless other big schools.

PSU is knocking at the door and looking in the window, but cannot break through. UM lost to tOSU 7 straight times under Harbaugh and it made him into a cheater. Now all of a sudden he's a genius to the world when just 2 years ago the UM folks wanted him gone. He took a paycut to stay, but now he's smart I guess????? Certain areas still do need improvement....WR is certainly one. DT recruiting is another spot where you raise an eyebrow even as good as the defense has been playing. PSU isn't landing the Wilkins or other interior impact players. They haven't in a while, but hopefully Barnes can do some work there. It doesn't mean JF cannot or shouldn't beat them every few years as that is the goal. Then again the B1G is littered with coaches who beat tOSU every year or two.....oh wait...no they aren't. Harbaugh is 2-7 and now is labeled a cheater....but that extra win puts him over the top I guess.
Are you sure Michigan is the only school that steals signs? Is stealing signs illegal?
 

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Are you sure Michigan is the only school that steals signs? Is stealing signs illegal?
Is this a serious question, not sure if you're being sarcastic? Stealing signs in game....not a problem, everyone does it. Buying tickets via a staff member and sending people to record 30 different games on cell phones is cheating. If it wasn't illegal, why is the NCAA who notoriously moves at a snails pace in Ann Arbor today to show them what they have? I didn't think it was a big deal initially, but apparently it's snowballing currently.
 
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Are you sure Michigan is the only school that steals signs? Is stealing signs illegal?
Many do, simply watch how coaches will have players with decoy signals and how they hold their laminated cards over their mouths when talking.

what makes Michigan’s allegations stand out is the extent they did it. Do you really think a $55k/yr staffer can afford to travel, buy game tickets, hotels, etc to many games a year?
 

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Are you sure Michigan is the only school that steals signs? Is stealing signs illegal?
there seems to be some "gray" areas in this but not with what he did.
It's pretty much been talked about in every thread and explained.
 

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Is this a serious question, not sure if you're being sarcastic? Stealing signs in game....not a problem, everyone does it. Buying tickets via a staff member and sending people to record 30 different games on cell phones is cheating. If it wasn't illegal, why is the NCAA who notoriously moves at a snails pace in Ann Arbor today to show them what they have? I didn't think it was a big deal initially, but apparently it's snowballing currently.
We will see if anything is done.

Isn’t Sandusky making more appeals ? Maybe NCAA and Big10 can sanction PSU again?
 
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Neither. It means the Big Ten is a disgrace in terms of parity. There are 2 very good teams (Tho they never win it all). One good team (us) and 11 deadbeats
That has nothing to do with looking at that chart and seeing Miami, Florida, Texas, TAM, LSU, and ND recruiting at a higher blue chip level than Penn State and PSU either equaling as many wins per year as them or more and ending the season ranked higher.
 
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That has nothing to do with looking at that chart and seeing Miami, Florida, Texas, TAM, LSU, and ND recruiting at a higher blue chip level than Penn State and PSU either equaling as many wins per year as them or more and ending the season ranked higher.
Yes it does because every one of those teams plays a schedule with more quality opponents on it other than Miami and Texas is about a tie. Actually Miami in this particular season could argue will play more quality opponents.
 

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Many do, simply watch how coaches will have players with decoy signals and how they hold their laminated cards over their mouths when talking.

what makes Michigan’s allegations stand out is the extent they did it. Do you really think a $55k/yr staffer can afford to travel, buy game tickets, hotels, etc to many games a year?

Matt Rhule’s comments on this were fantastic. He basically said coaches at the college level are too lazy to coach up QBs and as a result they consistently vote down putting mics in QB helmets in favor of ridiculous sideline signals. He said if you coach up your QBs and put mics in helmets, there are no sideline signals to steal. I’ll see if I can find the clip…

 

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Matt Rhule’s comments on this were fantastic. He basically said coaches at the college level are too lazy to coach up QBs and as a result they consistently vote down putting mics in QB helmets in favor of ridiculous sideline signals. He said if you coach up your QBs and put mics in helmets, there are no sideline signals to steal. I’ll see if I can find the clip…



Then Michigan will hire former NSA Sigint employees on their sideline to intercept the transmission.
 
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