FC: Conversation about James Franklin.
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It also sounds like Franklin/Yurcich had serious dysfunction and it showed. But yeah - not wrong; it’s the national perception.
Hey - I’m waiting for my daughter to finish ballet rehearsal and bored. But agree.
Bad hires happen. But ask yourself why they’ve happened on 4 of 5 offensive coordinator hires under Franklin.
That’s the question you can’t hide and I don’t think misjudgment or “fit” is behind it. After a couple bad hires, the **** starts to roll uphill.
Except that the guy implies he's pretty much OK with losing to Michigan and Ohio State every year.
Not to pick nits, but isn't it 3 that didn't work out and 2 that took head coaching jobs elsewhere. Entirely possible I'm missing one or mixing it up.
My math is as follows:
- Donovan was fired.
- Moorhead left for the MSU job. Regrettable loss.
- Rahne was encouraged to leave after he ran the Moorhead offense for 2 years with middling results.
- Ciarrocca was fired.
- Yurcich was fired.
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It was weeks after the regular season that Rahne left for OD. Never heard anything from any source that he was asked to leave. Would have taken his 2019 offense this year.
Right. Old Dominion. This after his predecessor landed an SEC head coaching job. Rahne had zero leverage and had to leave. I think the move to Old Dominion bears that out.
Interesting to see how former PSU players are reacting. On Hackenberg's podcast three of them said that this OC hire is Franklin's last chance to turn things around. They agreed that MY had to go because "it was the least disruptive thing to do". There is a huge vote of confidence for you.
There have been many other former players who have voiced strong support for Franklin, including Lavar. So, you should probably have said “interesting to see how SOME former players are reacting.” But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative, which is fine.
I do not need to provide an overview of current events. You can add what you wish to add.
Just making sure what you post is accurate.
It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
This is college football - not war. Dangerous to confuse the two….
Until he gets a QB whisperer or a Hartline Coach at WR, there is no overcoming our station in life regardless of OC. Sorry, the game snuck up and changed on the greatest school in the history of mankind. We should expect to win, we have given JF what he wanted, there is no excuse for a talent like Allar to not have flourished. He must find his Joe Brady now or we become Wisconsin, Iowa, Auburn, Oklahoma State etc
The post was accurate. I said it "was interesting to see how former PSU players" were reacting. I then pointed to a specific podcast, not all players, not all podcasts, not all opinions.
WE DESERVE BETTER!
Good grief.
You have an agenda and I was simply pointing that out. We deserve better? Why? Because we are all avid fans? Because we buy a lot of gear and pay for tickets and parking spaces? because we believe we should beat OSu and Michigan consistently? I want to know why you specifically believe you deserve better? I know what I do to support PSU football and the school as a whole, but I would never say I deserve better because I also know how hard it is to compete in today’s world of major college football.
WE DESERVE BETTER. I did not write me or I or you. WE. Who are WE? WE are the people who pay for and support the program with our hard earned dollars.
I don't give a damn how hard it is to compete. Bottom Feeder is paid for results, not effort. The players are paid, they are no longer amateurs. Tens of millions of fan dollars paid in tickets, merch, and donations fund this enterprise. It is expected hundreds of millions will be borrowed and spent to pay for lavish facilities Bottom Feeder demands.
So my agenda? I want to get the best results for the huge amount of support already given, and for what we are expected to support in debt and interest payments as a University. Again, the best. In the real world that is what is expected from people. You do not get attaboys for effort.
If you and a minority do not like that it is too bad for you.
Good grief. These fan boys have to have things explained to them time, and time again.
So, in other words, you feel you deserve better simply because you’re a fan? Got it. And, by the way, I’m not a fan boy and no where in any of my posts have you seen me support Franklin. He absolutely has his faults. However, I also understand that as much as we as PSU fans invest — financially and emotionally — in our program, other schools do the same and so much more. I look at where PSU is holistically and, while I’d like to win more of our games against OSu and UM, I also understand it’s not easy. I also don’t believe you can simply go out and get another coach and flip the switch to a CFP team given how hard it has been for Franklin to build what he has built here in terms of administrative buy-in, recruiting, donor support. If it was that easy, Jimbo fisher would never have been fired.
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And he also said when Franklin hired him that he has no interest in being a HC. Sounds like he had to take something as he was encouraged to leave.
People change their mind. Wait. No they don’t.
So, you think he accepted a HEAD COACHING position at a Division 1 school, because he was being forced out of an offensive coordinator position? I fully accept that I may be missing something, but this argument doesn't make sense. Moorhead accepted the HEAD COACHING job at Akron. Was he being forced out at Oregon?
I don't think this is best anti-Franklin argument. Could be me.
It's not nice to confuse the BWICAC lynch mob with the facts. Besides, they are busy praying for a Rutgers victory. Oh, pain, hurt, agony!
This is not an "in the arena " crowd. These are the experts that never took those shots that Jordan spoke about. But if they had taken them...they'd have made them all.
Yes they do. If PSU loses to Rutgers today, I'm gonna stomp my feet, hold my breath and apply for membership to the BWICAC.
Don’t we want rutgres to win? That way, some schlubs can pay Franklin’s buyout and we can hire the winner we deserve (whoever that is).
It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
I have to disagree. Our wrestling coach had this poster hanging in our wrestling room in the mid 60s. It was meant to be an encouragement to continue striving through failure until success is achieved or if not then knowing we had given our all in the struggle and not to be counted among those who never tried and are critical of those who do try. The author, I believe it was Teddy Roosevelt, mentions the arena which could be the wrestling mat, a football field or as you suggest, war. Though that last one, war, seems pretty far-fetched for the point the author was making.
Seeing James Franklin leave would be my dream come true. I would then get to enjoy watching the resident experts cry themselves to sleep while detailing the failures of the new coach.
Either way, it’s a bit drastic and overly dramatic to say about what is essentially a kid’s game, and moreover, apply it to a coach of said game. Thanks for the post though.
Upon the fields of friendly strife
are sown the seeds
that on other fields
on other days, shall bare the
fruits of victory- MacArthur.
Yeah, what the hell did Mac know? Nothing compared the the BWICAC.
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