FC: Drunk PSU official, charged with DUI (.25% BAC), almost crashes into police officer

NittPicker

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0.25%?? It takes an experienced drinker to get to that point and still be able drive a car, albeit unsafely. I rarely drink. If I decided to pound down a few and get to 0.25%, I wouldn't be able to walk to my car let alone drive it.
 

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Anna C. Barone, the university’s "student care and advocacy director,"

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She'll be fired, I would guess.
Driving around hammered and putting others at risk is not a good look for someone in charge of "student care and advocacy." Should say it's not a good look for anyone. Maybe her positive contribution outweighs the negative effect of a single bad choice. I'm curious about how the University will handle it.

Update: The more I think about it - she's gone.
 
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First, never tell an officer you had a drink. When they ask "have you had any drinks today?" The answer is ALWAYS "no". As soon as you say "one teeny tiny drink" you've given them what they need to pull you out of the car and do whatever they want (you've given them probable cause). If they don't believe you and you get popped for DUI, your saying you didn't drink isn't damaging. The DUI is.

Second, have people ever heard of Uber or Lyft? I have NO IDEA why people still drink and drive.
 

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First, never tell an officer you had a drink. When they ask "have you had any drinks today?" The answer is ALWAYS "no". As soon as you say "one teeny tiny drink" you've given them what they need to pull you out of the car and do whatever they want (you've given them probable cause). If they don't believe you and you get popped for DUI, your saying you didn't drink isn't damaging. The DUI is.

Second, have people ever heard of Uber or Lyft? I have NO IDEA why people still drink and drive.

Never, ever admit to anything.
 

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First, never tell an officer you had a drink. When they ask "have you had any drinks today?" The answer is ALWAYS "no". As soon as you say "one teeny tiny drink" you've given them what they need to pull you out of the car and do whatever they want (you've given them probable cause). If they don't believe you and you get popped for DUI, your saying you didn't drink isn't damaging. The DUI is.

Second, have people ever heard of Uber or Lyft? I have NO IDEA why people still drink and drive.
Usually at that point, the question is mainly rhetorical. Even if they say they had nothing to drink, they’re still getting out of the car for sobriety tests. It’s not like the cop will throw their hands in the air and walk away if the driver says they had nothing to drink. Unsafe driving plus the booze odor is plenty.
 

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Usually at that point, the question is mainly rhetorical. Even if they say they had nothing to drink, they’re still getting out of the car for sobriety tests. It’s not like the cop will throw their hands in the air and walk away if the driver says they had nothing to drink. Unsafe driving plus the booze odor is plenty.
I don't agree. At least in the state of Ohio, even a single drink is a chargeable offense. DUI and DWI.

I can also tell you, for a fact, that many locations in Ohio reward officers for the number of DUI's they get over a period of time, but it is also a big consideration for advancement (raises and promotions). so there is an incentive.

And when you say "yes", you have ostensibly pled guilty. Any other comment (no or I am not speaking until I have an attorney present) puts the cop in a bit of a bind. Yes, they can pull you out to make you walk the line, but a good attorney can whillle away the charge with the prosecutor. You can often get these tickets down to lesser violations like driving dangerously or whatever. A DUI on your record will cost you dearly. As soon as you say you've had a drink, you have no options but to hope the prosecutor is a good person. many times, they are not. they also get graded by # of prosecutions.

Better yet? Call Uber.

 

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I don't agree. At least in the state of Ohio, even a single drink is a chargeable offense. DUI and DWI.

I can also tell you, for a fact, that many locations in Ohio reward officers for the number of DUI's they get over a period of time, but it is also a big consideration for advancement (raises and promotions). so there is an incentive.

And when you say "yes", you have ostensibly pled guilty. Any other comment (no or I am not speaking until I have an attorney present) puts the cop in a bit of a bind. Yes, they can pull you out to make you walk the line, but a good attorney can whillle away the charge with the prosecutor. You can often get these tickets down to lesser violations like driving dangerously or whatever. A DUI on your record will cost you dearly. As soon as you say you've had a drink, you have no options but to hope the prosecutor is a good person. many times, they are not. they also get graded by # of prosecutions.

Better yet? Call Uber.


I've never worked in Ohio so I can't speak to that. However, I have made quite a few DUI arrests in PA. I've never received raises, promotions, or any other incentive to make an arrest and I don't know of anyone who has. I've also never made an arrest decision based on whether or not someone admitted to drinking. There's much more evidence available to make the case. Unsafe driving. Odor of alcoholic beverages. Physical indicators. Lack of motor skills. There have been times when I could smell booze even before I pulled the car over. If the cop needs an admission of drinking to make a DUI arrest, he probably needs more training.

If the offense is there, the arrest is made. If the offense isn't there, the arrest isn't made. There isn't much a defense attorney can do if the arrest is solid. I've had trials in which the defense attorney thought he was Johnny Cochran and the verdict was still guilty.

But anyway, how any of this pertains to the OP, I don't know. If the report is accurate, it doesn't sound like the cops decided to make an arrest just to get a raise.

And yeah, Uber is the way to do it.
 
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Obliviax

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I've never worked in Ohio so I can't speak to that. However, I have made quite a few DUI arrests in PA. I've never received raises, promotions, or any other incentive to make an arrest and I don't know of anyone who has. I've also never made an arrest decision based on whether or not someone admitted to drinking. There's much more evidence available to make the case. Unsafe driving. Odor of alcoholic beverages. Physical indicators. Lack of motor skills. There have been times when I could smell booze even before I pulled the car over. If the cop needs an admission of drinking to make a DUI arrest, he probably needs more training.

If the offense is there, the arrest is made. If the offense isn't there, the arrest isn't made. There isn't much a defense attorney can do if the arrest is solid. I've had trials in which the defense attorney thought he was Johnny Cochran and the verdict was still guilty.

But anyway, how any of this pertains to the OP, I don't know. If the report is accurate, it doesn't sound like the cops decided to make an arrest just to get a raise.

And yeah, Uber is the way to do it.
Fair enough and I respect your position. My wife has served as a court appointed defense attorney hundreds of times. She is very pro-police and we LOVE our streets to be safe. But she's had a number of times when she's gotten great results from her work. And while you and I agree 99% of the time, there are issues...case in point.

A woman who lived in FL was in my community driving home after her mother's funeral. She got lost and pulled over. This caused a police officer to follow her. He pulled her over and noticed her eyes were glassy. (she had been crying) He had her do the field sobriety test. She was asked to stand on one leg for 30 seconds. She is 55 years old on heals. The officer let her try after taking her shoes off. It was 22 degrees and she was trying to stand on one leg in panty-hosed feet (is that a term?). So he wrote her up and she was arrested. The legal limit is .08 here and her blood came back .085. In court, they spent a hour trying to determine if her tire had hit, not went over but hit, the yellow line that allowed the officer to pull her over. They had to zoom in. The judge was angry but had to rule in favor of the officer because they felt the tire his the yellow line by a fraction of an inch. Under cross, the officer admitted that the monthly leader in DUI arrests was given an award (gift card). Later, the police chief told us it is considered for promotions and raises. It is a big revenue boost and, of course, it keeps streets safe. In other case, a woman driving home from work (a chef) was pulled over because when she turned left, she crossed the line. Try driving within the lines when turning, getting into the turning zone, or even stopping before the crosswalk. You'll see it is almost impossible to do. yesterday, my wife had a case of aggravated menacing that a woman charged against a coworker at Firehouse subs. The DA could have brought simple menacing or just had the guy take a plea for something quite a bit lower. After a full day of court and testimony, the jury found the guy innocent after 20 minutes of deliberation.

The bottom line is that 99% of police stops are legit. However, the legal system is in place to validate stops and overturn police activities that go over the line of common sense.

My only point is that if you are pulled over, NEVER EVER tell the officer you had a drink. Period. But more importantly, take an uber.
 
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