FC: Franklin set to sign 'enhanced' contract to remain at Penn State.
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I normally don’t relish posters from other fan bases visiting our site, but I’ll allow this…
How many took over a program on sanctions? But.....why mention that? How many left the program after winning a natty with sanctions?
I think JF has done a ton to bring this from what Bill OB had started to resurrect. There has been some terrible luck......go back to 2020 and think what would have happened with Journey in place, Noah does NOT get hurt, Micah remains, etc. That team was going to kick serious butt. We would have been NY6 game minimum. OSU might have been tough, but we had them in a whiteout if a normal year. no more than 1 or 2 losses and top 10 for sure.
then this year, think if Noah was at full strength along with RB room that was at full strength and a QB who did NOT get hurt v Iowa and PJ is still standing. Right now we would be a 10-1 team going to Sparty and we would be favored. we might have even beaten tOSU this year. Yes injuries occur on every team, but we have had more than our fair share and especially to people we can least afford.
Let's say were a 12-1 team in 2020 ranked say 6 at end of season, and in the CFB playoff discussion all year and wind up similar rank this year along with the current recruiting class. the feeling is quite different. I like JF staying and hope we can keep some stability with longer tenures in assistants.
I’m fine with this. Like most of us on here I hope the OL problems can be fixed. Some continuity on the offensive side of the ball can hopefully help with that. JMO
Back? Where was he going? He had 4+ years left on his "old" contract (which he just renegotiated 2 years ago, 2 years after his previous "renegotiation").
So, where was he, that he came back from?
Dude, can I complain about the coach ONE TIME without having to hear this crap?
No, not while our friend Marshall is on duty.
when someone has to resort to the “luck” card, you know they’ve lost all credibility.
How many have won another Title?
How many are at the same school?
How many are still coaching?
For all of you who are endorsing this latest Franklin deal…..he’s all yours.
You have no one to blame other than the BOT and yourselves for annual repeated disappointment
Meanwhile Chrome Dome and Fumi have just leveraged themselves into a guaranteed $70 Million of earned income regardless of how PSU football performs.
You have no one to blame other than the BOT and yourselves for annual repeated disappointment
Meanwhile Chrome Dome and Fumi have just leveraged themselves into a guaranteed $70 Million of earned income regardless of how PSU football performs.
Don't blame the BOT, not yet anyway. They have never met to approve, or even discuss the terms of this contract.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Wut?
There’s no way a contract of this magnitude can be approved without the BOT’s full endorsement.
Am I missing something?
Don’t tell me this is more special “Executive Committee” closed door shenanigans
Bob Stoops - BOB could win the Natty in the Big XII
Mack- TV to NC
Urbs & Pete - They left for a reason
Tressel, Chizik,Les and Ed - Thank you for your service.
Jimbo and Dabo - Stay tuned.
Larry Coker- Most of our board members could have coached that team.
If they were so respected, half of them would still be coaching, their fan bases chased them away.
Nope. Only the 5 member Compensation Committee was involved - thus far anyway.
That Committee is comprised of Cathy Casey - a lobbyist who was appointed to the Board by the Board as an At Large Trustee, Dan Delligatti - a McDonald's franchisee who was appointed to the Board by Governor Wolf, David Kleppinger - a Harrisburg attorney who was also appointed by Wolf, Mary Schneider - a retired Direct Marketing executive appointed to the Board as a Business Trustee, and Matt Schuyller - the Marketing guy from Hilton, who was appointed to the Board by the Board as an At Large Trustee. That's it.
We don't know if all of those five even approved of the contract - since no minutes of their meeting have been released, and rarely are minutes kept of the discussions or of any committee votes. Maybe they all did, maybe not - though I would guess they all did. But there are 33 other members of the Board
When will this contract come before the Board for approval? Will it come before the Board? The Bylaws, and common sense, seem to indicate it should be required.
But I see nothing scheduled, and Penn State's PR department seem to be treating it as a done deal.
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Larry Coker was actually a very good football coach.
I know someone who played for Larry pre-Miami who, to this day, claims he is the meanest, most demanding individual he ever encountered.
Just a touch of sarcasm on my part that was a loaded team.
I can't grasp what happened to Florida, FSU, Miami, UCF, and S. Florida football.
There are not many splash hires out there. Most like Fickell, Campbell, Franklin , Harbaugh , and most others are trying to build a solid program. Impatient fan bases and the portal are their biggest enemies. Sooner or later it's going to level out.
thanks.....gut I didn't know he was yours to give. LOL
Laying blame for annual disappointment? If it hurts so much, don't do it?
The RB room at ‘full strength’ wasn’t gonna help anything unless the 80s Hogs suddenly regained college eligibility and became 35 years younger.
Franklin is certainly the only coach who has renegotiated mid contract. Unprecedented! Jimbo Fisher and Mel Tucker say hello. Here is something to contemplate..... it takes two parties with a willingness to negotiate, Some here don't like Franklin.......did he hold a gun to the head of the BOT? If they thought he wasn't worth a new contract they were free to let him walk. Empirical evidence would tell us the real decision makers strongly disagree with your evaluation of Coach Franklin.
Franklin said the administration approached him.
Penn St., Franklin agree to new 10-year contract
Penn State coach James Franklin has agreed to a 10-year contract extension to remain coach of the team through the 2031 season.
www.espn.com
He said they approached him 9 weeks ago.
He‘s been asking the school to make improvements to facilities. Barbour said the school wants to compete with the best and is committed to it. He‘s within his rights to ask, and it will benefit the school long term if it wants to stay competitive. The facilities will always be there even if he isn’t.
He said the school approached him 9 weeks ago, but what was his agent doing beforehand? The article doesn’t say.
As for his personal compensation contract, he is allowed to try to renegotiate as he sees fit. Nothing prohibits it. Whether you like his renegotiations and think they’re appropriate is a personal decision. Nobody is right or wrong. It’s just an opinion.
He‘s been asking the school to make improvements to facilities. Barbour said the school wants to compete with the best and is committed to it. He‘s within his rights to ask, and it will benefit the school long term if it wants to stay competitive. The facilities will always be there even if he isn’t.
He said the school approached him 9 weeks ago, but what was his agent doing beforehand? The article doesn’t say.
As for his personal compensation contract, he is allowed to try to renegotiate as he sees fit. Nothing prohibits it. Whether you like his renegotiations and think they’re appropriate is a personal decision. Nobody is right or wrong. It’s just an opinion.
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Since you feel the need to waste our time with this nonsense, why don't you tell me what you think about Mr. Perfect negotiating a contract during the season? You think that's acceptable and not worthy of comment? After Illinois? Really?
The contract is what it is and its done, so I personally don't want to discuss the merits of it anymore. What I would be curious from the board is what expectations should be tied to it? Just because we upgrade dorms and make Franklin a top 5 paid coach, doesn't mean we are going to win the majority of games against OSU, but I have to think/hope(?) That whoever wrote this contract at least verbally communicated expectations? I get that because of the money he can't be fired really, but is there at least an understanding of where this program should be in the coming years? I guess I would think we should win the Big 10 east every I dont know, 3 years? Losses to programs paying half the money we are, like an Illinois and Indiana should basically never happen? I mean, what is the measurement that this contract is successful for more than just James and his coaches?
A bit melodramatic. I never appreciated how much emotion you have invested in all this. You are a true fanatic. I agree with one thing. Congratulations to the Franklin family! CJF wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth and worked for everything he got. He's making a crust now!
I'd look for consistent (which does not mean we never miss) top ten finishes and getting to the "playoffs" somewhere between 30-50% of the time. If the "playoff" format changes to eight teams, we should expect to be there more often than not.
This level of performance would equal or exceed any period in our history.
Talk about the impact of football on a university. I understand Penn State received over 1 million undergraduate applications overnight as a result of a Franklin’s contract extension. Too bad all of the applications are from underachieving out-of-state students. 
I made absolutely zero evaluation of James Franklin as a football coach, and I probably never will. It is irrelevant to the issue at hand, the new contract. My comments, and my concerns, are with respect to the contract - and the less than prudent signing of the agreement by Penn State, which is the case no matter how positively or negatively one might view Franklin's coaching abilities.
1) Putting Penn State on the hook for $85 million, 10 years - while allowing the other party, for all intents and purposes, to simply walk away whenever they want ($8 million year 1, dropping rapidly to near zero) - when you already have an existing contract in place, at a top-of-the-market price, is inane. Regardless of what one thinks of Franklin as a coach.
2) Thinking that you have achieved "stability" by binding yourself (Penn State) to a one-way commitment, while the other party is free to pick up and leave - or threaten to pick up and leave - especially when the other party has repeatedly shown a proclivity to do just that, is not rational, obviously.
3) Which leaves us with two reasonable scenarios moving forward: Penn State football has significant success over the next few years, and Franklin is once again back in the "I want more" cycle - and holding all the cards. Or Penn State football does not have significant success, and Penn State is committed to paying Franklin the remainder of the $85 million over the rest of the decade, no matter how poor the performance.
While both of those scenarios are great for Franklin, and fans of Franklin should rightly be pleased, neither is a good thing for Penn State, and fans of Penn State should rightly be disconcerted.
4) When you have limited resources, and many needs, in trying to complete a mission - in this case, running a successful football program - intentionally spending more of those funds on one of those resources reduces the funding available to procure other necessary resources, which can only have a negative effect on the overall operation.
None of that is a critique of Franklin's coaching ability, and none of that is debatable - either by reason or past history.
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What I like about this development is that it should pretty quickly show us where we are.
I have been a CJF fan all along, and I think he's the right guy to lead the program forward. But the proof is in the pudding, and if PSU has now removed any obstacles to making this a first rank program, then it's reasonable to demand first rank results. Every team wins some it could have lost and loses some it could have won, but the best programs find ways to win more of those tight ones- and going forward that should be the level of expectation.
PSU has been a good program for a very long time, but for a pretty long time it has not been a great one. I hope that we will soon see what being great looks like...
I have been a CJF fan all along, and I think he's the right guy to lead the program forward. But the proof is in the pudding, and if PSU has now removed any obstacles to making this a first rank program, then it's reasonable to demand first rank results. Every team wins some it could have lost and loses some it could have won, but the best programs find ways to win more of those tight ones- and going forward that should be the level of expectation.
PSU has been a good program for a very long time, but for a pretty long time it has not been a great one. I hope that we will soon see what being great looks like...
Has he shown a proclivity to pick up and leave? He’s done it once in 11 years as a head coach.
The haters here are furious that Franklin may have used "leverage" to get the contract and improvements for the program. My guess is those are guys who never had leverage. LOLFranklin said the administration approached him.
Penn St., Franklin agree to new 10-year contract
Penn State coach James Franklin has agreed to a 10-year contract extension to remain coach of the team through the 2031 season.
"while the other party is free to pick up and leave - or threaten to pick up and leave - especially when the other party has repeatedly shown a proclivity to do just that,"
Unless you feel that every couple of years Penn State just tears up an existing contract, and forces Franklin to accept more money, for services that had already been contracted for at a lower price.
Either way, it is what it is.
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Has he threatened to pick up and leave? His name is thrown out there for every opening that shows up but has he actually threatened to take one of those gigs?
I think it's the "pattern" of use of said leverage that has them upset. I don't like it that much either, but I'm one of those to whom you refer who has never had leverage and don't get emotionally involved in the details - of which I know nothing since I wasn't part of the actual negotiation where the real discussion took place - of someone else's negotiations. How the BOT conducts business? That's a different matter.
Not a fan of the BOT either. However, contracts are renegotiated quite frequently for coaches.
Congratulations on securing Coach Franklin to a 10 year contract. Just curious, what tangible advantages does this give the program to take that next step towards a B10 title or even a National Championship. From a recruiting perspective it’s a major advantage to know the guy recruiting you will be here when your a senior. The new facilities will attract elite athletes as well. What about assistants and coordinators?
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