FC: Franklin set to sign 'enhanced' contract to remain at Penn State.

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Franklin is certainly the only coach who has renegotiated mid contract. Unprecedented! Jimbo Fisher and Mel Tucker say hello. Here is something to contemplate..... it takes two parties with a willingness to negotiate, Some here don't like Franklin.......did he hold a gun to the head of the BOT? If they thought he wasn't worth a new contract they were free to let him walk. Empirical evidence would tell us the real decision makers strongly disagree with your evaluation of Coach Franklin.

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Not a fan of the BOT either. However, contracts are renegotiated quite frequently for coaches.
Of course. As I said elsewhere, congratulations to CJF for taking care of his family. He worked his way up from the bottom. Nobody can take that away from him. His work ethic is undeniable, and he's an excellent steward of the program. There are some who will not look beyond wins and losses. As far as that goes, he hasn't done as poorly as some would lead us to believe. I have questioned him this season but very much want him to succeed. Many PSU fans cannot accept that PSU has not been elite for a long time. I accept it. Also, those same people probably don't consider me as much of a fan as they are. Whatever. That's fine. I refuse to metaphorically "kick the dog" over a PSU loss.
 
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"while the other party is free to pick up and leave - or threaten to pick up and leave - especially when the other party has repeatedly shown a proclivity to do just that,"

Unless you feel that every couple of years Penn State just tears up an existing contract, and forces Franklin to accept more money, for services that had already been contracted for at a lower price.
Either way, it is what it is.
I predict that you are spot on. As long as CJF is held in high esteem by the BOT, the administration (those whose opinions matter) he will be able to renegotiate every few years. The powers that be can also terminate him as per the prevailing contract.
That isn't unique to Franklin or Penn State. Complaining about contracts being renegotiated is like bitching about the weather.
 

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The haters here are furious that Franklin may have used "leverage" to get the contract and improvements for the program. My guess is those are guys who never had leverage. LOL
Actually, I recently had a chance to use "leverage". I took a hard pass because I thought it could come back to bite me later. The people you use leverage against might not like it and might be waiting to stick it to you in the future. Its a double edge sword.
 
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Of course. As I said elsewhere, congratulations to CJF for taking care of his family. He worked his way up from the bottom. Nobody can take that away from him. His work ethic is undeniable, and he's an excellent steward of the program. There are some who will not look beyond wins and losses. As far as that goes, he hasn't done as poorly as some would lead us to believe. Many PSU fans cannot accept that PSU has not been elite for a long time. I accept it. Also, those same people probably don't consider me as much of a fan as they are. Whatever. That's fine. I refuse to metaphorically "kick the dog" over a PSU loss.
Well, I attended by first game 11/5/66. PSU lost to Syracuse 12-10.....a Syracuse team that featured Csonka, Little and Tom Coughlin!
I still attend every bowl game and my week isn't as bright should PSU lose as if they win. I loved Joe and I think James is doing a fine job.
I'm proud to not be an "elite" fan like many who post here. LOL If only the coaches and players wanted to win as much as they do!
Plus, PSU will never have coaches that "know" as much football as they do.
 

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Actually, I recently had a chance to use "leverage". I took a hard pass because I thought it could come back to bite me later. The people you use leverage against might not like it and might be waiting to stick it to you in the future. Its a double edge sword.
So you did what you thought was best for you? Bingo!
 

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So you did what you thought was best for you? Bingo!
That's right. Read my post a bit above. I have no problem with renegotiations from Franklin. Its in his best interest and there's nothing wrong with that. This is a capitalist country.

However, I think because some in the media have an axe to grind against PSU, they have been using Franklin's renegotiation technique to degrade PSU by saying its second tier and merely a stepping stone. I don't think that's Franklin's intent because I truly think he wants to be here and does not think PSU is second tier, but it is an unfortunate by-product of how he handles it. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Well, I attended by first game 11/5/66. PSU lost to Syracuse 12-10.....a Syracuse team that featured Csonka, Little and Tom Coughlin!
I still attend every bowl game and my week isn't as bright should PSU lose as if they win. I loved Joe and I think James is doing a fine job.
I'm proud to not be an "elite" fan like many who post here. LOL If only the coaches and players wanted to win as much as they do!
Plus, PSU will never have coaches that "know" as much football as they do.
I wrote that I wouldn't "kick the dog" over/after a loss. That's true. I might during the game though. :) As my wife can confirm, I have trouble watching the games on television. I get too worked up and sometimes have to walk away during the telecast. I always turn off the announcers too. Funny thing, in person I do not get upset at all. I think it's because at the game you can see plays develop, which team is winning certain battles, and just accept that sometimes the other guy or team is better on a given play or the overall game.
 
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Congratulations on securing Coach Franklin to a 10 year contract. Just curious, what tangible advantages does this give the program to take that next step towards a B10 title or even a National Championship. From a recruiting perspective it’s a major advantage to know the guy recruiting you will be here when your a senior. The new facilities will attract elite athletes as well. What about assistants and coordinators?
Fair questions- and we don't really know the answers, but if you assume that Franklin is a pretty smart guy, you have to assume that he knows that taking care of his staff has to be a priority. And that includes having a list of guys you want to keep an eye on if you lose a coordinator- which you will if you are winning.
 
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That's right. Read my post a bit above. I have no problem with renegotiations from Franklin. Its in his best interest and there's nothing wrong with that. This is a capitalist country.

However, I think because some in the media have an axe to grind against PSU, they have been using Franklin's renegotiation technique to degrade PSU by saying its second tier and merely a stepping stone. I don't think that's Franklin's intent because I truly think he wants to be here and does not think PSU is second tier, but it is an unfortunate by-product of how he handles it. Just my 2 cents.
If I cared about what the meda wrote.......or twitter or whatever.....I"d be a Notre Dame fan. Scandal doesn't stick to Teflon Jesus.
 

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I wrote that I wouldn't "kick the dog" over/after a loss. That's true. I might during the game though. :) As my wife can confirm, I have trouble watching the games on television. I get too worked up and sometimes have to walk away during the telecast. I always turn off the announcers too. Funny thing, in person I do not get upset at all. I think it's because at the game you can see plays develop, which team is winning certain battles, and just accept that sometimes the other guy or team is better on a given play or the overall game.
Incredible. I always turn off the sound and often get upset and turn the game off. I generally watch it on youtube later. I get angry with myself actually, wondering why I care so much. My HS coach worked on JVP's staff for about 20 years and when my boys were young we had some great visits to practice etc. We made trips to spring practice right up to Joe's final spring. So, I guess I will always care more than I should. Then when Joe was gone and I thought I could decompress, my niece asked me what I thought of Vandy Football. I told her it was a coach's graveyard and asked her why she was interested. She told me a very good friend from high school was taking the job, turns out they were classmates all thru grammar school and they stay in touch.........well you can figure out the rest.
Incidentally, I related that conversation to Franklin a few years back, and he didn't seem amused at the coach's graveyard comment.:unsure:
 

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If I cared about what the meda wrote.......or twitter or whatever.....I"d be a Notre Dame fan. Scandal doesn't stick to Teflon Jesus.
What does that even mean?

Just kidding, I kind of understand what you're trying to say -- you don't give a hoot what the media says.
Nothing wrong with that.
 
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