FC: Whew Mauti let's Jay have it with both barrels

LB99

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I have no problem with anyone questioning Jay. But rather than hurl non-specific allegations, Mauti should specify what Jay did or didn't do in this case or what Coach Shrewsberry requested that wasn't delivered.
Shouldn’t Jay’s post also give specifics just not hurl non specifics and hope everyone blindly agrees with him? Why does he get a pass?
 
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I have no problem with anyone questioning Jay. But rather than hurl non-specific allegations, Mauti should specify what Jay did or didn't do in this case or what Coach Shrewsberry requested that wasn't delivered.
Jay brought it up. He has access to the requests and the figures. The burden of proof is on him.

Instead, he and SwH are pissing on our leg and telling us it's raining.
 

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Shouldn’t Jay’s post also give species just not hurl non specifics and hope everyone blindly agrees with him? Why does he get a pass?
Typical in situations like these where there is contention over money for the losing party to say nothing, which is what Kraft did. Would I like to know the specifics? Sure, but it's not Kraft's job to feed my curiosity.

Would have been better if Jay followed Kraft's example, but, as I've said before, he's a ninny. Now, if someone is going to accuse him of being a liar, that someone should be more specific.
 

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Jay brought it up. He has access to the requests and the figures. The burden of proof is on him.

Instead, he and SwH are pissing on our leg and telling us it's raining.
Does he? From what I can tell Jay has neither a position with SWH, nor his he a director or advisor. And has it been definitively established that all NIL monies for basketball flow through SWH?
 

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For all practical purposes I've put Penn State in my rear view mirror. Infighting like this confirms that decision was the right one for me. Last week I made a very nice donation to a local charity. It was money that once would have gone to Penn State. Now my donations go to organizations where I can see the results directly. My dollars have a greater impact, the beneficiaries of my giving have a greater need, and I am at peace.
I have posted about this before.....my Penn State affiliation is now focused upon our local Alumni chapter. We fund 4 scholarships awarded to local Augusta students attending PSU. I feel this is the best way to support PSU without all the questions concerning use of donations. We were paying our chapter membership directly to the chapter...however now we must pay the school AA and they will supposedly forward the funds to the respective chapters (seems the AA mother ship wants the money to obtain THEIR share!) I tend to agree with MM that there needs to be an alignment with everyone working together....but i have little faith that will occur in my lifetime as to many egos are vying for power and money. Finally....is there any quarterly reports showing current donations and funds awarded to our athletes...and the cost of administering the collectives? I personally have never received any information after making a donation ( perhaps my tiny $100 isn't worthy of acknowledgement )
 

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Does he? From what I can tell Jay has neither a position with SWH, nor his he a director or advisor. And has it been definitively established that all NIL monies for basketball flow through SWH?
He's literally a co-founder.
 

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Jay said every nil basketball request I assume from shrews was met. Ok well we know that shrews was lying about why he left because he obviously checked out a while ago knowing he was going to notre dame. He didn’t just decide the whole thing and leave 3 days after his last game.
But is jay lying as well? Were the needs of nil for basketball met?
 

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Why is PSU automatically more deserving of support? Most people do not have unlimited money.

Obviously PSU needs to revamp its admissions criteria.

Also, what’s wrong with, “Support us because we’re here”?
 
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And that said:
Jay, and everyone else on the Board, just voted to have PSU borrow another $7 million to put new sound system/scoreboard on the football PRACTICE fields. (I was the only dissenter, stating that those funds should, if such a project was to be considered, come from fund-raising by ICA for that project)
I have a better idea...put the money towards a new sound system for the Stadium and then take the one from the stadium and put it on the practice field.
The current one in the stadium is lousy.
 

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Jay on Twitter-

“I appreciate the question. But we’d put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage revealing to other schools what we’re doing in a highly-competitive marketplace. Coaching candidates will get the info. “

Convenient for dodging questions.
 

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Really? So why is his name not in this press release?

Where is Jay Paterno?

"In 2022 he co-founded Penn State's NIL Collective "Success With Honor" to coordinate NIL efforts for all of Penn State's 31 sports teams."
BIO | jaypaternoofficial (jayvpaterno.com)

Paterno is a member of the Penn State Board of Trustees. He is also active in the NIL space, as one of the Co-Founders of Penn State-focused NIL collective Success With Honor.
Jay Paterno: Success With Honor eyes expansion | The NIL Deal (nildealnow.com)

Paterno, among the Success With Honor founders
Penn State NIL Collective Success With Honor Reaches Sports Milestone - Sports Illustrated Penn State Nittany Lions News, Analysis and More

So we co-founded a collective helping PSU student-athletes in 31 sports in a way consistent with the values of @success_w_honor
Jay Paterno on Twitter: "As a PSU Trustee my ability to engage in #NIL was limited legally. So we co-founded a collective helping PSU student-athletes in 31 sports in a way consistent with the values of @success_w_honor --#NIL is reality & you can help in this big month for #NIL https://t.co/P5F2PTKQu1" / Twitter

Check out @JayPaterno's interview below to learn more about our mission
Success With Honor on Twitter: "Success With Honor's mission is to enhance the lives of every student-athlete at Penn State Check out @JayPaterno's interview below to learn more about our mission and how you can help create NIL opportunities for all-student athletes #WeAre https://t.co/G2cFUqAC9g" / Twitter
 
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I have a better idea...put the money towards a new sound system for the Stadium and then take the one from the stadium and put it on the practice field.
The current one in the stadium is lousy.
STFU!

Keep your opinions to yourself and just send money.
 
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I think I'll take the information provided by the organization itself on launch rather than something written by a reporter almost a year laterthat was likely not cross checked.
You do have Jays own statements on his involvement. He uses the royal “We” quite a bit. Not good enough?
 

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All lies!!!! Lol
 
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Sad George Costanza GIF
 

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The information I cited comes directly from SWH? You point to a series of articles, content sourced where? Fact-checked?

So Jay is a liar when it comes to relating how much NIL money was raised for PSU basketball, but wouldn't be above embellishing his involvement in the founding of SWH? Regardless, how involved is he with SWH's day to day operations?
 

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The information I cited comes directly from SWH? You point to a series of articles, content sourced where? Fact-checked?

So Jay is a liar when it comes to relating how much NIL money was raised for PSU basketball, but wouldn't be above embellishing his involvement in the founding of SWH? Regardless, how involved is he with SWH's day to day operations?

Good God, you are obtuse.

They are Jay's own words, and SwH tweeted his interviews in which he asserts is status as a co-founder and engaged leader. If Jay is lying about his involvement, wouldn't you think SwH would correct him or, at the very least, not directly endorse his interviews through retweeting?

I'm sure for legal reasons with Jay as a trustee, SwH cannot officially list Jay on their website or in press releases, but evidence of his involvement is crystal clear.
 

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Why is PSU automatically more deserving of support? Most people do not have unlimited money.
Well stated....i now give to St Jude, Wounded Warriors, and Victory Junction as part of the funds i have allocated for charity. I have come to believe donating to fight youth/child cancer is just as important as PSU athletics
 

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Good God, you are obtuse.

They are Jay's own words, and SwH tweeted his interviews in which he asserts is status as a co-founder and engaged leader.

I'm sure for legal reasons with Jay as a trustee, SwH cannot officially list Jay on their website or in press releases, but evidence of his involvement is crystal clear.
You have a strong basis for suing PSU for educational malpractice.
 

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You have a strong basis for suing PSU for educational malpractice.

When all you have left are ad hominem attacks when confronted with a mountain of evidence, you've lost the plot and the argument.

Good day, sir. Say hi to Jay, Tony and the rest of the SwH cronies for me.
 
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When all you have left are ad hominem attacks when confronted with a mountain of evidence, you've lost the plot and the argument.

Good day, sir. Say hi to Jay, Tony and the rest of the SwH cronies for me.
Don't know any of those people, pilgrim, and have nothing to do with them.
 

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Good God, you are obtuse.

They are Jay's own words, and SwH tweeted his interviews in which he asserts is status as a co-founder and engaged leader. If Jay is lying about his involvement, wouldn't you think SwH would correct him or, at the very least, not directly endorse his interviews through retweeting?

I'm sure for legal reasons with Jay as a trustee, SwH cannot officially list Jay on their website or in press releases, but evidence of his involvement is crystal clear.
The actual founders of SWH are Ira Lubert, Anthony Misitano, Bob Poole, Rick Sokolov and Mark Toniatti. Mark now is serving as CEO.
 
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The actual founders of SWH are Ira Lubert, Anthony Misitano, Bob Poole, Rick Sokolov and Mark Toniatti. Mark now is serving as CEO.

There is just something about all these NIL collectives that just doesn't sit right with me but can't put my finger on it. I don't care who is involved. Also, I have seen some local, State College, business with commercials that had, I am guessing, a PSU athlete in the commercial. If they didn't say the athlete's name I would have no idea who they were because they aren't permitted to use the school logo. I would feel more comfortable donating money to an athletic department or the school to pay the players more then the NIL collectives. The businesses should pay/partner with the school to use their players in commercials so that the players/business can leverage the school logo in what ever NIL marketing the company is producing and have the school pay the money to the players. I think that most of the general public will have no idea who the athlete in the commercial is with the school logo/uni on. I am a pretty avid PSU Sports fan but I would not recognize Drew Allar walking in street clothes, I wouldn't recognize Miles Dread in town in street clothes. I am not an avid bball fan but I wouldn't have recognized the UK bball player in the ATT commercial unless he was using the schools logo in the commercial. Otherwise, I would have had no clue who he was. Case in point, what advantage will a business going thru an NIL collective have using an athlete in a commercial or print advertising if the avg joe is not going to be able to recognize them?
 
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