That is what they are attempting to do by raising all of these issues. Unfortunately, they keep running into people, like you, who have stuck their collective heads in the sand who then blame any failure on the current coach(es) while reflecting what the program looked like 30 years ago. If you don’t believe that Jay and Lubrano have an ulterior motive in their presence on the board and their involvement in NIL(I’ll agree to disagree about their actual involvement in SWH) then I really don’t have any reason to further engage in this discussion.
FC: Whew Mauti let's Jay have it with both barrels
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When you don’t have a legitimate response, deflect. You’re very good at that response,
Many are to blame & now its time to get things moving forward. Getting Jay & Lubrano out of the way will help to accomplish that.
How about this: I'm the least of the problems that PSU athletics has.
If you are looking for "ulterior motives" you (And a few others in this thread - some by ignorance (which they shouldn't really be held accountable for, since there is no reasonable way for them to know better), and some likely due to other influences. It is what it is.) are clearly looking in the wrong direction. In spades.
You, quite literally, couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
In any event, it is sad. God help us.
You couldn't possibly be that wrong - and factually incorrect - without someone spoon-feeding you your talking points. No one could independently conjure up such pure fallacies acting alone. Congratulations.
No, that is not "what they are attempting to do". You, for sure, know better than that, I think.
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No one named Paterno was getting hired in that climate. Your examples are all head coaches. It's risk reward. You didn't need to ruffle feathers for an assistant coach. Again, I'm not going to argue Jay's coaching ability with people who have never coached. How many here have been to PSU practices during the time Jay coached? How many here have attended a coaching clinic where Jay was a presenter? How do you know what his coaching abilities are? Oh, you watched the games?
How many years will it take for fanboys to get over Joe hiring his son. I mean, its unheard of, So like most things....this topic included, posters fly by their ***.
Everyone is half nuts because PSU lost a coach with a 17-23 conference record. He interviewed in late February for the ND job and it's apparent he had already made his decision if that job was offered. Now, there is passionate sobbing about NIL....even though no one really knows the inner workings of any of the organizations. It's all based on popularity. Mauti and Short heroes as great PSU players and Jay is scum. Simple conclusion by simple minds.
Those who have half a brain would understand that it can't be that simple. Instead we lead the charge to support some concept where the best solution is to throw the most cash at athletes as we can for doing nothing and assume that is sustainable and proper solution for championship programs. After all, it worked so well for Texas A&M.
Fire Jay....Fire Lubrano......ok. At least it gives everyone something to do until it becomes fire Franklin in a few months.
Its not my passion or intent to defend Jay Paterno. In reality, speaking to this issue, his coaching past has no relevance. In addition, he and Lubrano are on the BOT because they were elected by the alumni. Therefore, it should be easy to retire them if they are not representing the interests of their constituents? Right? This is just another example of posters here creating issues and then leading a charge without having any idea where the front lines are.
Posters aren't leading this charge though and some pretty well thought of letter men are. Jay also wrote that awful editorial undermining Franklin the day prior to tOSU in 2016 IIRC so can we please stop treating him like he's Joe's 10 year old son. Other members on that same staff Jay was on found landing spots if they were good coaches. Let's not act like the vast majority are out there saying Franklin needs to go either as that is an exaggeration.
The JF haters are in the minority and they happen just to be vocal about it. Are they idiots...for sure, but let's not use the minority to act like something is going to occur either. They basically play the field and only care about 2 games a year, but his tenure from where he started at to where we are hasn't been the awful ride they pretend it is. They cherry pick 1-2 opponents and cry foul like Joe never had down years. Hell Joe made a run every 4-5 years when you look at the whole of his career and that is talking about when he was in his prime and firing. There are fanboys, but they tend to be 75+ year olds Paterno fanboys who just see Jay's name and go into defend mode no matter what. Sorry but Mauti and Short aren't out there making things up or just finding an axe to grind with Jay. The podcast is free on Youtube and Short isn't out there screaming or yelling, just having a civil discussion on the matter. If the entire boat isn't rowing together they will continue to go in circles and clearly there is some beef up there. Hopefully Kraft or someone gets all parties together, they hold a Festivus airing of grievances and start working together. Clearly some folks see an issue for some reason....and I'm not thinking they are making it up. JMO though.
I'm all for someone uniting "the factions" and having a concerted effort to support PSU athletics. Actually, I will never hold a coach in higher esteem than I do Joe. I consider him the greatest educator-coach of all time. Also, I am not defending Jay simply because he's Joe's progeny (actually not defending him at all), just pointing out that his coaching history is as irrelevant on this issue as Mauti and Short's playing history.
Again, if Alums aren't happy with their BOT reps they can easily be replaced. So get out and replace Jay, Lubrano and Pope and all NIL problems are solved.
I saw Short's podcast. I'd feel better if it were a debate, wouldn't you? Short gave a list of candidates he supports. I also recall a list of alumni trustees that did not support the Lasch renovations. There were others not named Paterno.
There is another free podcast from 247 with Short again. Some unnamed BOT members (wink, wink) go out of their way to undermine and disrepect Franklin and he has a few stories to share. Short talks about a board meeting where Franklin brings the Rose Bowl trophy to the meeting, taps one on the shoulder and they refuse to even shake Franlin's hand. Short talks about how he tried to broker a meeting between Franklin and certain BOT members, but they blew if off saying they were too busy. If they are best buds and friends with Franklin, why aren't they talking about all of their meetings with him or how they go out of their way to support him? Surely there should be tons of evidence of this out there, right? I would imagine some very off the record talks have occurred with JF and some of the lettermen.....and I doubt they got the idea that everything was just perfect. Just my guess there though.
A few here are so up in arms that Mauti,Short are making this public, but in order for changes to occur like you stated sometimes you have air it out and let people know. Jay and Lubrano aren't out there talking about how much they support Frankin and Franklin sure as hell is too smart to say anything about Jay because he knows a portion of the fanbase will cry about it. The entire reason Short is doing this is to make it public knowledge so that people do know when they do vote. Nobody is stopping the other 2 from meeting with Franklin at any time or telling their side of the story. You see that vocal minority and how they rail on Franklin whenever they can, but Short somehow is making all of this up......not buying that. There are 2 sides to each story but that POS article Jay wrote in Franklin's early years kind of sets the tone for my opinions.
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Careful, telling the truth to this echo chamber will get your post removed.
Nahhh, but it now makes sense why someone who isn't a JF fan is rowing the the boat in the opposite direction in this thread.
So apparently this version of the BOTS is only slightly less divisive than the 2009 version.
I figured it must be bad, Brandon isn't going to take this public without a lot of soul searching. Sad.
It wont be easy to get rid of Jay and Lubrano I think both of them had more votes than anyone.
But yea I wish Jay would just go away.
Well the biggest beef in this thread was why are they making this public. Short stated he tried to broker a meeting between them and it was blown off so that is probably why they are doing this now. People are voting for 2012 in 2023...that is the long story short IMO.So apparently this version of the BOTS is only slightly less divisive than the 2009 version.
I figured it must be bad, Brandon isn't going to take this public without a lot of soul searching. Sad.
It wont be easy to get rid of Jay and Lubrano I think both of them had more votes than anyone.
But yea I wish Jay would just go away.
You don't fight your brother in public, you do it privately. Our "family" is a clown show.
Seems like the private route didn't work, but keeping status quo was a good option I guess?
Jay has next to zero power. So I have no idea why he is a lightning rod.
If he has a much power as was insinuated, do you not think the statue would be restored and we would have Paterno Field at Beaver Stadium?
Because it's easier to dump on someone. If Jay had never interjected himself into NIL the situation would be the same today.
And the rest of the BOT is sitting back saying "this is why we shouldn't have elected trustees".
Listen you don't have to dislike James if you are a proud Joebot. I often get creamed here for my unyielding support of CJF. Putting football aside, he is very good friends with my nephew and niece. He wrote a fantastic recommendation for my grand niece when she applied for admission. He's actually done me a few favors as well. I think he's the perfect fit for PSU.
However, I know nothing of what issues may exist between Jay, Anthony and James. Since I don't know the whole story, I'm not biting.
No problem there, but those words were directly from Short's mouth and I just don't think he is making them up.
No, Mauti and Short said they tried, but didn't succeed. Honestly, Mauti and Short just sound like a couple of whiny bitches.
Wrong. Jay and Lubrano haven't stopped anything.
The second problem, besides publicly, is they're punching down to people who do not have any power or influence. Whatever the real problems are, they aren't addressing them, only making unnecessary distractions.
I agree that this is how he sees it and he seems very sincere. I'm merely suggesting that well intentioned people can have different viewpoints. To me the goal would be to somehow find common ground. I'm so old that I remember that sort of thing happening in Washington DC.
I'm reluctant to believe that Jay is waking up everyday determined to destroy Penn State Athletics in general and Football in particular.
You really don’t understand the point?
JayPa is on the wrong side of history & is so enamored with his dad’s legacy he’s trying to undermine Franklins.
But you already knew that.
Thats pretty much the accusation that took the school down, isn’t it? Handle things privately and don’t let anybody know?
You are a clown, jackass, and always trying to get political.
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