FC: Whew Mauti let's Jay have it with both barrels
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And we know that how?
Seems he coached some fairly successful offenses - including a 2-time 1st team all big-10 QB and offensive MVP.
Anyone else do that at PSU?
Did he just magically lose the desire to coach? Why hasn't he been hired anywhere else to try and replicate his success?
He's certainly been involved otherwise, no?
"Do not mind"?
Good Lord, unless the idea is to bring in Student-Athletes who DESIRE AND APPRECIATE (not "do no mind") the opportunity to engage in a real, meaningful education, WTF are we doing?
I am not saying you are wrong - but I am saying IF you are right, Universities have no business (no pun intended) being involved.
Yeah, look at all of those other job offers Jay received during Joe coaching career, or thereafter. Oh that's right, only Joe saw the brilliance of JayPa. Nah, ALL that Jay had going for himself was being Joe's son. The only other even similar situation to Jay is Kirk F's son - that is even a worse example of pure nepotism.
So the rules are the rules unless they disprove your comments. OK, I see how you roll.
Jay's babysitter? kidding, not really kidding.
Most elite players aren’t there to play school. And they shouldn’t have to to be honest. It is what it is. But nowhere else for them to go. ND wants to keep up the facade but can’t in this environment.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
How about church payments to cover up for football player rapes?
I could go on…
How do you know Jay ever sought coaching offers post-Joe. He did not seem to have trouble finding work before PSU.
Not saying he’s Knute Rockne. But no need to denigrate a person unnecessarily.
Recall he did in fact try to get a job post-Paterno as noted in his lawsuit agains the university (which was based on the preposterous idea that he was too toxic to hire because the university rushed to judgement in ousting Paterno - that second part is true) but was swinging well above his pay grade based on the experience he had:
In the lawsuit, Jay Paterno specifically recounts his efforts to win head coaching jobs at the University of Connecticut, James Madison University, the University of Colorado and Boston College.
He was not offered an interview at any of the four, the lawsuit alleges.
At a fifth, unnamed university, the lawsuit alleges, "university administration considered the coaches from Penn State 'too toxic' given the findings of the consent decree, and granted no interviews to any candidates from Penn State."
Not sure if Jay was the *only* former PSU coach to not be hired, but at least seven others from Joe’s staff were.
Not pointing at you, but isn't it kind of interesting how the subject starts out as NIL and then becomes Jay?
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That’s the subject of the whole conversation. It’s how the conversation started.
I thought the "conversation" was over the NIL efforts for PSU not working. If anyone believes that Jay is at the root of that, they're not looking hard enough, or they simply don't want to.
Per an esteemed poster here:
“I blame Jay.”
Fits all situations, Penn State or not.
This is not that complicated, but the individuals who want to give Joe and his hand-picked successors the benefit of the doubt are, in a word, laughable. We have seen the multiples of instances where the program was stagnated by the tenure of Joe and his supporters. Things as simple as video taping of practices and games to coaches salaries. We have made greater strides in the past 3 years as a football program — and an athletic program as a whole — than we did between 1995-2010. As much as I love Joe, he never adapted the program to the future of college football. I am not pursuing blame for
The past, but looking at the future and excited about Franklin’s building upon what was built before him. Simply put, the two don’t need to be mutually exclusive…and should t be.
Go back and read the first post in the conversation and the original subject line. Despite your best efforts to deflect the conversation, it’s still the subject.
And what you write is symptomatic of another problem: if something isn't the way it should be eleven years after Joe's passing, blame the dead guy. "Hand-picked successors?" Who and which of them exercised any power when?
Yeah, Mauti yells at Jay. Why? Because Jay spoke out of turn. Okay. But now that that's out of the way everyone else can take their turn at pissing on Jay. That's going to move the rock forward.
That is not what I said, nor what I implied. The simple fact of the matter is that college football and college athletics as a whole progressed exponentially, while Penn State lagged behind in the latter years of Joe Paterno‘s tenure. However, any time you bring up that fact, everybody takes it as a slight to Paterno. I spent Many nights with the man and I revere him for what he did for PSU and college football. However, it’s not blasphemy to say that he also didn’t respond to the landscape laid out in front of him.
Fine, so things stagnated at the end of Joe's reign. But, it's eleven years since. Is everything in PSU athletics now cutting edge? If not, who's to blame?
Most close followers of PSU athletics recognize that the old guard supporters of Success with Honor and Joe’s approach are in conflict with the reality of college athletics today. Brandon Short said it pretty succinctly when he opined that many other schools were doing NIL well before it was legal, but, because of our sanctimonious view of athletics and academics, we are significantly behind the time on NIL. Again, this isn’t an indictment of what happened before, but a reality check of where PSU is in today’s world of college athletics. That is at the heart of the pi#%ing match between Mauti and Brandon Short. They see Jay and Lubrano as impeding progress toward what it takes to be competitive in college football (and athletics as a whole) today. Do you not think that Jay has an agenda as an alumni-elected trustee? He has consistently voted against monies for football improvements and has, whether authorize or not, spoken about SWH activities and the collective’s involvement in Shrewsberry’s retention. This is a seminal moment in PSU athletics and everyone —fans, alumni, board members, etc, should be aligned— but that does not seem to be the case for Jay and Lubrano.
Exactly! It’s no coincidence that A&M has a robust NIL fund. Of course they do….it’s Texas…they’ve been paying players for years…maybe decades. They’ve had a head start on everyone.
To be fair...none of them were named Paterno.
Look at what happened when Tennessee tried to hire Schiano. Imagine 2013 some HC announcing he's hiring Jay Paterno. Folks here can say what they want but The Sandusky mess pretty much retired Jay as a coach anywhere.
I'm not interested in getting into a debate about his coaching acumen. Clearly the scandal put an end to his coaching.
Again, how do you know this? You make a lot of assumptions and criticize accordingly to your assumptions.
Oh stop. Marshall, I like you and you make sensible comments most of the time, but let’s be honest. Coaching can be a slimy business and humans have short memories. If Jay was a dynamic coach, he would have had a job. Switzer, Freeze, Kiffin, etc all had no trouble finding jobs after questionable morals. Why? Because they are effective football coaches and schools want to win at all cost. If Jay was the next Bill Walsh, he would have had any job he wanted at any level. He is not Bill Walsh. He isn’t even Joe Walsh.
Knute Rockne, hexx he wouldn't even be a good HS coach, but keep luving JayPa. At the rate Jay's going he'll soon be hated by just about every PSU alum that still likes him.
No one, except Joe was going to hire Jay as a QB coach or OC, & that's why he never left the friendly confines of Happy Valley.
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How nice. So Mauti and Short don't like the way PSU does business and consider Jay and Lubrano impediments. If they, Mauti & Short, beleive there is a better way then they have to convince the powers that be and the people that write the checks. Good luck.
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