Then throw your hat in the ring or start coaching at a lower level and work your way up. If you really think you could do better than a coach making $8 mil, then you made some very poor life choices.
Fire Franklin. Hire Rhule. I am sick of this
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I would be okay with trying something else, but I don’t think we should just roll the dice and hope. I’ll take 10-2 until we can find someone who’s proven they can do better.
Harbaugh also knows how to cheat and the players that are on his roster, better than ours or not, are there because of his cheating. Look at his record pre Covid, which is when he took a pay cut and decided to cheat.
I’m bearish on this but do believe they cheated. To what benefit? I don’t know. TCU didn’t get the memo. And it’s not like you can’t get tape of every opponent with all signals. The reason the NCAA prohibits in person scouting is not because of competitive advantage - it’s financial because not all schools could afford to do so. So, since college coaches acknowledge all schools steal signs, I trust they are smart enough to change them week to week….
If it isn't a big competitive advantage, then why do it? Winning breeds recruiting wins too. Top it off with illegal recruiting during Covid and you're a top 4 team. The difference between us and them is cheating.
You can say it's coaching, but if you know all the plays the other team is calling that's not coaching.
That being said, we need a change because that was a sorry excuse of a coaching job yesterday. His record against ranked teams is really all that you need to look at.
Well, the word is that TCU knew about the scheme, so they created all new signals since they had weeks to prepare, but then still intertwined the old signals so Michigan would think they knew what was coming.
But all teams steal signals. They can watch game tape and can do the same thing a person in the stands can do. They can do it in real time on the sideline during a game too. Just not convinced it's *that* significant.
Question - if "points were at a premium" why kick a field goal to go up 3-0? Because not getting any points there would have been a killer? I could have coached a TD there, it would have been three straight runs to Allen. Allen is head and shoulders better than Singleton, why can't anyone see that??
If you make it an 8 point game, it puts pressure on the other team. That's why 99.9% of coaches kick the extra point there
You can depend on CJF.....he will always let you downIt’s not all bad with Franklin. At least we know what we’re going to get. Leaves the stressing and guessing out of it.
It’s not only the losses, but the way he contributes to many of these losses with his dumb-*** out-of-his-*** in-game coaching decisions.
I dare say no CFB DIV1 Head Coach has made more out-of-the-box pathetically poor decisions than Franklin. In this area he is “truly elite”.
And the more bad moves he has made, the more arrogantly defensive he has become.
I dare say no CFB DIV1 Head Coach has made more out-of-the-box pathetically poor decisions than Franklin. In this area he is “truly elite”.
And the more bad moves he has made, the more arrogantly defensive he has become.
Game tapes don’t show the sidelines and what signals are being used….that’s why pregame scouting is illegal. Michigan was filming the sideline the whole game then matching it up with the game tape to see what plays were run.But all teams steal signals. They can watch game tape and can do the same thing a person in the stands can do. They can do it in real time on the sideline during a game too. Just not convinced it's *that* significant.
Or maybe it’s because you don’t watch and dissect every other coach in division 1. Every coach makes dumb decisions every game.
I guarantee I watch much more college football than you. And yeah there are questionable and bad decisions all over the place. But again no one coach approaches the number of truly questionable mind-boggling decisions that Franklin has made.
That is not what is being reported. According to The Athletic, sign stealing is pretty ubiquitous and legal save for two very specific instances - in person scouting, and use of technology on the sideline. Harbaugh has been a good coach for a long time; he's either been doing this forever and never got caught, or got desperate to beat OSU and went all in on sign stealing. I don't doubt Michigan was stealing signs, but I want to see some of the specific evidence the NCAA and B1G have before I determine they are only winning because of it:
What is “legal” in college football as it pertains to scouting?
Most things! On very little notice, coaches can acquire the All-22 film of any game they need. Every program subscribes to a paid service that provides these, and they can see the sidelines and every player on the field at all times.That’s pretty standard film study, and sometimes that can capture some signals. But coaches often hold up barriers behind their signers to prevent the eye in the sky from recording those signals and allowing them to show up on the All-22 film.
But having a specialist on the sidelines to pick up signals coaches may have seen on TV copies of the game or on film is not illegal. It’s a somewhat complex issue that’s mostly frowned upon and wouldn’t be endorsed publicly by coaches, but it’s also a widespread practice.
Some coaches might raise their eyebrows at Michigan having a specialist in sign stealingroaming their sidelines and talking with the coaching staff, but there is no rule explicitly banning this.
What is “illegal” then?
At issue in Michigan’s case, no person from an opposing staff can scout an opponent in person. So if Michigan was sending someone from their program to future opponents’ games, that is explicitly illegal, whether or not they were there to record or document signals. In 2015, then-Baylor offensive coordinator Jeff Lebby was in hot water when he was spotted on the sidelines of Tulsa’s game at Oklahoma.Lebby said he was in town for a wedding and catching up with Tulsa’s staff who had spent a long time on Baylor’s staff. It may have been innocuous, but it was explicitly against the rules.
So is having any technology on the sideline to record signals. So someone on the staff couldn’t be filming across the field with a camera or a phone and studying it on the sidelines, passing it on to coaches and deciphering signals in real time.
It is not clear at this time who was allegedly attending games to acquire information. Athletic department officials and other staffers would, presumably, be at Michigan games on Saturdays. It would also be rather brazen and fairly obvious for someone directly employed by Michigan to do such a thing. Could it be former staffers? Family members? Fans? At this point, sources briefed on the investigation are not sure.
Actually you are the one missing the point. What was Franklin’s record his first 2 years when dealing with the worst of the sanctions’ years. Your hero, Rhule, doesn’t have those issues at Nebraska this year and so far the team is 5-5 while playing in the easier Big Ten West. I ain’t happy with losing to OSU and Michigan either but they are ranked No. 1 and 3 for a reason. Geez.
And we might do worse. How are fan favorites like Riley at USC, Rhule at Nebraska, Schiano at Rutgers and Fickell at Wisky doing this year?
Well I notice that none of the fire Franklin experts are telling us who that better replacement would be. Far easier to just complain.
Urban Myers disagrees with you but what the hell does he know about football?But all teams steal signals. They can watch game tape and can do the same thing a person in the stands can do. They can do it in real time on the sideline during a game too. Just not convinced it's *that* significant.
Kicking the FG was the right call. Going for 2 after the first TD and going for it on 4th and 6 from your own 30 in a one score game with four and a half minutes to go we’re not
My “hero”? Clearly you didn’t read my posts in this thread about him. Hardly painting him as a savior.
Maybe we should start a gofundme. I'd contribute but 64 mil is a really big number. Can we change Franklin's role to recruiting coordinator and bring in somebody smart enough to not go for 2 in the first half? Just about anybody in the stands would qualify.It’s roughly $8mm per year for every year left on his contract. So, $64.47mm (if bought out this year).
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Yes because if we wouldn’t have gone for two in the first half we would have won that game. Dammit, so close.
That doesn't change the fact that it was a stupid thing to do. At 8 mil a year I think we should expect better.
Sure every coach makes bad decisions. But we have a coach with a proven track record over 10 years that continues to make the same bad decisions over and over in the biggest games. No one is saying coaching Penn State isn’t a tough job but when you get paid as a top coach for a prestigious program it’s fair to have expectations
wow- you must watch a whole LOT of football to "know" that.
He’s good at building a program. We have no idea what he would be like with a more talented roster, higher expectations, and more pressure as a HC?
I don’t know what more to say about Penn State. James Franklin falls to 3-17 against top-10 foes, and his team’s two big games this season — a 20-12 loss at Ohio State and this 24-15 loss — were nearly identical. The defense did everything it could to win, but quarterback Drew Allar and the offense were helpless to take advantage. The Nittany Lions can still reach 10 wins and another New Year’s Six bowl, which most programs would consider a very successful season, but that outcome feels hollow when you look so outmatched in your two biggest games.
Franklin won’t be able to win 10 games a year by “holding serve” much longer. Right now, the Nittany Lions are more talented than all but two of the other 13 Big Ten teams. That changes next year with the arrival of Oregon, Washington and USC.----- Stewart Mandel.
Franklin won’t be able to win 10 games a year by “holding serve” much longer. Right now, the Nittany Lions are more talented than all but two of the other 13 Big Ten teams. That changes next year with the arrival of Oregon, Washington and USC.----- Stewart Mandel.
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