Many have been winnable and in numerous instances Penn State was up in the 4th quarter against Ohio State in 17, 18, and even last year. Both Ohio State and Michigan were beatable this year. The excuses every year have run dry.
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Fire Franklin. Hire Rhule. I am sick of this
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Okay, but why is "extending" the game of any particular value? You HAVE to convert a 2 point conversion to tie the game. What difference does it make if you find out you aren't getting it on the first TD or the second? Just so you feel better about still having a chance longer?
Well, because this is the school my family has been attending for over 100 years, that my grandfather played for, that we owned season tickets for back when it was Beaver Field over by the Nittany Lion Inn. I'm never going to stop bleeding blue and white, no matter how much it may sometimes hurt. But that doesn't mean I can't expect more, and express that dissatisfaction here.
You have multiple chances to stay alive…rather than 1 play. You make that 2 point conversion and you still have to get an onside kick or get a defensive stop and make plays.
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Oh, don't worry, he's banking on people not catching that. Because he thinks he's much smarter and coy than he is. Hence his attempts to outsmart in these big games that blow up in our face every time.
Ok, so let's say you kick the extra point and make it 24-16. You still either have to kick onsides, or get a defensive stop. Then, let's say you do get it back and score...guess what you still have to do? Make a 2 point conversion. So no matter what, it comes down to that 1 play, you HAVE to make a 2 point conversion in every scenario, it always comes down to that 1 play, so it makes no difference whether you find out at 2 minutes that you made that play, or on the last play of the game.
Yes, but why give up with time left? Once they missed we had zero chance. Much easier to make extra point and you are still alive!
There is also some advantage to going for 2 earlier when you know you need to convert one at some point to tie the game. If you miss it on the first attempt, you now know you need to score twice, so you can adjust for that. If you wait to go for 2 on the second score, then it's likely too late to change anything if you miss it, the game is over. At least you find out with 2 minutes left that the 2 point conversion failed and you have to recover 2 onsides kicks.
Okay but that's just to feel better, it doesn't actually impact your odds of winning. And as I just noted, there is at least some advantage (even if small), to learning earlier whether the 2-point conversion you needed failed or not.
Well the game was suddenly over. I think it does impact your odds of winning. And nearly everyone I spoke with or heard providing analysis disagrees with you.
It was a long shot either way. I think we should assume by default Franklin will choose incorrectly. He has a track record of failure.
It puts more pressure on the other team. Knowing that a single mistake could mean your opponent is going for 2 to tie the game is very different that knowing even if you make a huge mistake you're still gonna be up. So you can gamble and take more chances.
I appreciate the differing opinion, and Boston brings up a meaningful point. Believe me I'm inclined to assume Franklin chose incorrectly, but I think analytics would say to go for 2 when he did. But again...if he doesn't go for 2 in the first half, this is all moot because an extra point brings us within 7.
What did the analytics say about going for 2 in first half? Obviously” said go for it?
Ha, I think "obviously" did not. But points were going to be hard to come by....so forego free points....
I think the problem with coaching a game based on analytics is that analytics don’t consider context. For example, going for two makes more sense if your team is moving the ball consistently in short yardage up to that point in the game, as opposed to when your team is having trouble in short yardage and third down.
Personally, I think football coaches are generally idiots if they go for two before the fourth quarter of a game. It almost always results in chasing points and reducing your team’s chances of winning. Once you watch for that pattern in games, you can’t unsee it.
100% agree on going for 2 early. I just think with 2 minutes left and knowing you have to convert a 2 point, it doesn't hurt at all to find out if you got that 2 point, or if you're going to need 2 more scores. Also agree 100% on analytics not being the be-all, end-all. Knowing that 4th and 1 is converted 75% of the time doesnt mean anything if your team only converts for 1 yard 20% of the time.
I'm just excited for the FDF to come in a few days from now and tell us how thrilled we should be to beat all the unranked teams on our schedule and lose to anyone with a pulse. We could never understand though, we never coached high school.
Your comments show alot of traits, none of which resemble those of a "resilient" individual.
It’s not all bad with Franklin. At least we know what we’re going to get. Leaves the stressing and guessing out of it.
Send your NIL to hoops.
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I don’t think even franklin’s mother could defend that performance.I'm just excited for the FDF to come in a few days from now and tell us how thrilled we should be to beat all the unranked teams on our schedule and lose to anyone with a pulse. We could never understand though, we never coached high school.
You know they play 12 games plus a bowl?
So the season will be 10-2 plus a bowl game.
I do not think Rutgers will be a gimme. This team played like garbage at home vs a deplorable Indiana squad after they lost to Ohio State, and they’re going to be even more deflated heading into next week now that the playoff is no longer within reach.
Point being: 10-2 is not a guarantee. This offense is almost impossibly inept.
Same for me. I went to that game and have never been so disgusted in my life after that coaching debacle. I also had to stay in a hotel with all KY fans and they gave us sh!+ before the game and were ruthless after the game, and I couldn’t say a word. One of the worst experiences in my life.
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I'm just excited for the FDF to come in a few days from now and tell us how thrilled we should be to beat all the unranked teams on our schedule and lose to anyone with a pulse. We could never understand though, we never coached high school.
LOL... Power Rangers!
I understand your comment. Just adding Dan Mullen to the list also. He’s sitting in the ESPN studio right now. Also, if people really want to take this team from where we are now to winning the biggest games of the year, there’s only one semi realistic name guaranteed to get PSU there…Urban Meyer. He wouldn’t require a buyout from another school and he would make the necessary coaching changes immediately to get this team in a position to be favored or win the two games we lost this year. He’s a questionable character guy, but he just wins everywhere he goes in college football. He would probably leave PSU unceremoniously in a few years after winning a few conference titles, playoff games, and a potential national championship. PSU may be under sanctions when he leaves, but if we want to get over the hump, he’s your best bet.
Question for someone who may know the actual answer, not a guess and I don’t need a rant about Sandy or anybody else (that helps no one). What is the actual number for Franklin’s buyout after this season concludes?
How about Jackie Sherrill or Jimmy Johnson? If you don't give a damn about honor, why not go straight to the bottom?
Barry Switzer? My comment is to those that think the others would get PSU over the hump of osu and UM. I don’t think most of the names thrown out there, including Rhule, are necessarily going to be able to do that. Meyer would, but we would have to hold our collective noses in the process.
It’s roughly $8mm per year for every year left on his contract. So, $64.47mm (if bought out this year).
Big Ten football coach 2023 buyout rankings: James Franklin, Matt Rhule lead way in conference
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It’s roughly $8mm per year for every year left on his contract. So, $64.47mm (if bought out this year).
Big Ten football coach 2023 buyout rankings: James Franklin, Matt Rhule lead way in conference
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So, not likely?It’s roughly $8mm per year for every year left on his contract. So, $64.47mm (if bought out this year).
Big Ten football coach 2023 buyout rankings: James Franklin, Matt Rhule lead way in conference
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