FLO to Ohio St…Offensive Co-ordinator

[PSUFTG2]

After the losses to normal graduation and kids being recruited out to other programs:

Penn State's roster entering 2012:

QB: Matt McGloin - who was "not good" in 2011 was the only scholarship QB remaining (and he was, of course, originally a walk on)

RB:
Leader rusher, Silas Redd.... Gone
2nd leading rusher, Stephon Green.... Gone
Brandon Beachum.... Gone
Joe Suhey... Gone
Curtis Dukes... ran for less than 100 yards, then left

Left with 2 little used Fullbacks (Zordich and Zwinak, who had combined for 37 yards rushing in 2011) to play in the backfield

TE:
Andrew Szczerba and Kevin Haplea... Gone
Had to play an offensive lineman (Gilliam) at TE, until working in new freshman Carter

WR:
Derek Moye, Justin Brown, Devon Smith... three top receivers... all Gone
Leading returning receivers? Brandon Felder (4 catches) and Shawney Kersey (5 catches) (and Kersey left early in the season)

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Lost starting OTs Okoli and Barham
Lost starting OGs Pannell and Troutman
Returned one starter - Stankiewitch at OC


Defensively returned starters Hodges (leading tackler) and Carson at LB. Jordan Hill at DT, Sean Stanley at DE

Lost 2nd and 3rd leading tacklers Astorino and Stupar
Lost 5th leading tackler and interception leader Sukay
Lost top DE and sack leader Crawford
Lost top DT Still
Lost LB Fortt
Lost entire secondary - Lynn and Powell at CB - along with Sukay and Astorino at S - and had to play walkons like Della Valle, Fagnano, and Keiser the secondary.


Also lost K/P Fera - and had to rely on walkons and freshmen



Love him or hate him, but:
BO'B for the most part took a lot of chicken feathers and made chicken soup (not even considering the "outside" concerns of keeping the team together)... especially on offense - which essentially returned NOTHING for 2012.

 

[4theglory54]

After the losses to normal graduation and kids being recruited out to other programs:

Penn State's roster entering 2012:

QB: Matt McGloin - who was "not good" in 2011 was the only scholarship QB remaining (and he was, of course, originally a walk on)

RB:
Leader rusher, Silas Redd.... Gone
2nd leading rusher, Stephon Green.... Gone
Brandon Beachum.... Gone
Joe Suhey... Gone
Curtis Dukes... ran for less than 100 yards, then left

Left with 2 little used Fullbacks (Zordich and Zwinak, who had combined for 37 yards rushing in 2011) to play in the backfield

TE:
Andrew Szczerba and Kevin Haplea... Gone
Had to play an offensive lineman (Gilliam) at TE, until working in new freshman Carter

WR:
Derek Moye, Justin Brown, Devon Smith... three top receivers... all Gone
Leading returning receivers? Brandon Felder (4 catches) and Shawney Kersey (5 catches) (and Kersey left early in the season)

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Lost starting OTs Okoli and Barham
Lost starting OGs Pannell and Troutman
Returned one starter - Stankiewitch at OC


Defensively returned starters Hodges (leading tackler) and Carson at LB. Jordan Hill at DT, Sean Stanley at DE

Lost 2nd and 3rd leading tacklers Astorino and Stupar
Lost 5th leading tackler and interception leader Sukay
Lost top DE and sack leader Crawford
Lost top DT Still
Lost LB Fortt
Lost entire secondary - Lynn and Powell at CB - along with Sukay and Astorino at S - and had to play walkons like Della Valle, Fagnano, and Keiser the secondary.


Also lost K/P Fera - and had to rely on walkons and freshmen



Love him or hate him, but:
BO'B for the most part took a lot of chicken feathers and made chicken soup (not even considering the "outside" concerns of keeping the team together)... especially on offense - which essentially returned NOTHING for 2012.

All of that....and a cacophony of clamoring from sports media and fan bases around the country that the punishment was not enough. Those were dark days, indeed. And I for one am grateful for how he led those young men who stayed, through that terrible **** storm.

 

[LB99]

After the losses to normal graduation and kids being recruited out to other programs:

Penn State's roster entering 2012:

QB: Matt McGloin - who was "not good" in 2011 was the only scholarship QB remaining (and he was, of course, originally a walk on)

RB:
Leader rusher, Silas Redd.... Gone
2nd leading rusher, Stephon Green.... Gone
Brandon Beachum.... Gone
Joe Suhey... Gone
Curtis Dukes... ran for less than 100 yards, then left

Left with 2 little used Fullbacks (Zordich and Zwinak, who had combined for 37 yards rushing in 2011) to play in the backfield

TE:
Andrew Szczerba and Kevin Haplea... Gone
Had to play an offensive lineman (Gilliam) at TE, until working in new freshman Carter

WR:
Derek Moye, Justin Brown, Devon Smith... three top receivers... all Gone
Leading returning receivers? Brandon Felder (4 catches) and Shawney Kersey (5 catches) (and Kersey left early in the season)

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Lost starting OTs Okoli and Barham
Lost starting OGs Pannell and Troutman
Returned one starter - Stankiewitch at OC


Defensively returned starters Hodges (leading tackler) and Carson at LB. Jordan Hill at DT, Sean Stanley at DE

Lost 2nd and 3rd leading tacklers Astorino and Stupar
Lost 5th leading tackler and interception leader Sukay
Lost top DE and sack leader Crawford
Lost top DT Still
Lost LB Fortt
Lost entire secondary - Lynn and Powell at CB - along with Sukay and Astorino at S - and had to play walkons like Della Valle, Fagnano, and Keiser the secondary.


Also lost K/P Fera - and had to rely on walkons and freshmen



Love him or hate him, but:
BO'B for the most part took a lot of chicken feathers and made chicken soup (not even considering the "outside" concerns of keeping the team together)... especially on offense - which essentially returned NOTHING for 2012.

You know…it’s great that you did this breakdown. The anti BO’B crowd discredits what he did by claiming he inherited a talented roster. There’s no doubt that he did have some really good players like Mauti on the roster, but the roster was largely gutted. On top of that, then he couldn’t fully replenish it because he was capped at 15 recruits and some of the guys he had recruited changed their minds and went elsewhere.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

After the losses to normal graduation and kids being recruited out to other programs:

Penn State's roster entering 2012:

QB: Matt McGloin - who was "not good" in 2011 was the only scholarship QB remaining (and he was, of course, originally a walk on)

RB:
Leader rusher, Silas Redd.... Gone
2nd leading rusher, Stephon Green.... Gone
Brandon Beachum.... Gone
Joe Suhey... Gone
Curtis Dukes... ran for less than 100 yards, then left

Left with 2 little used Fullbacks (Zordich and Zwinak, who had combined for 37 yards rushing in 2011) to play in the backfield

TE:
Andrew Szczerba and Kevin Haplea... Gone
Had to play an offensive lineman (Gilliam) at TE, until working in new freshman Carter

WR:
Derek Moye, Justin Brown, Devon Smith... three top receivers... all Gone
Leading returning receivers? Brandon Felder (4 catches) and Shawney Kersey (5 catches) (and Kersey left early in the season)

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Lost starting OTs Okoli and Barham
Lost starting OGs Pannell and Troutman
Returned one starter - Stankiewitch at OC


Defensively returned starters Hodges (leading tackler) and Carson at LB. Jordan Hill at DT, Sean Stanley at DE

Lost 2nd and 3rd leading tacklers Astorino and Stupar
Lost 5th leading tackler and interception leader Sukay
Lost top DE and sack leader Crawford
Lost top DT Still
Lost LB Fortt
Lost entire secondary - Lynn and Powell at CB - along with Sukay and Astorino at S - and had to play walkons like Della Valle, Fagnano, and Keiser the secondary.


Also lost K/P Fera - and had to rely on walkons and freshmen



Love him or hate him, but:
BO'B for the most part took a lot of chicken feathers and made chicken soup (not even considering the "outside" concerns of keeping the team together)... especially on offense - which essentially returned NOTHING for 2012.

Thanks for the breakdown.

 

[Midnighter]

You know…it’s great that you did this breakdown. The anti BO’B crowd discredits what he did by claiming he inherited a talented roster. There’s no doubt that he did have some really good players like Mauti on the roster, but the roster was largely gutted. On top of that, then he couldn’t fully replenish it because he was capped at 15 recruits and some of the guys he had recruited changed their minds and went elsewhere.

Depth Chart for Game 2 in 2012; disingenuous to only list non-returning and leaving starters as proof the team was dilapidated. Lots of talent there despite being young/inexperienced, but that's every team, every year (this depth chart does not include RB Bill Belton who would have been the starter if not for an injury in Game1) - anyone want to count the starters who ended up on NFL rosters at some point?:

Sp.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Def.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Off.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
HC	Bill O'Brien
QB	#11 Matt McGloin	#7 Paul Jones	#12 Steven Bench
RB	#24 Derek Day	#28 Zack Zwinak	#26 Curtis Dukes
FB	#9 Michael Zordich	#35 Pat Zerbe	#45 P.J. Byers
TE-Y	#89 Garry Gilliam	#18 Jesse James	--
TE-F	#87 Kyle Carter	#84 Matt Lehman	#82 Brian Irvin
WR	#8 Allen Robinson	#37 Evan Lewis	#85 Brandon Moseby-Felder
WR	#81 Shawney Kersey	#15 Alex Kenney	#10 Trevor Williams
OT	#76 Donovan Smith	#70 Nate Cadogan	--
OG	#65 Miles Dieffenbach	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#75 Eric Shrive
OC	#54 Matt Stankiewitch	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#55 Wendy Laurent
OG	#64 John Urschel	#75 Eric Shrive	#62 Frank Figueroa
OT	#78 Mike Farrell	#58 Adam Gress	#79 Kevin Blanchard
DE	#90 Sean Stanley	#86 C.J. Olaniyan	--
DT	#47 Jordan Hill	#84 Kyle Baublitz	--
DT	#91 DaQuan Jones	#93 James Terry	#99 Austin Johnson
DE	#18 Deion Barnes	#59 Pete Massaro	#98 Anthony Zettel
OLB	#6 Gerald Hodges	#43 Mike Hull	--
MLB	#40 Glenn Carson	#5 Nyeem Wartman	#33 Michael Yancich
OLB	#42 Michael Mauti	#38 Ben Kline	--
CB	#12 Stephon Morris	#3 DaQuan Davis	--
SS	#28 Malcolm Willis	#23 Ryan Keiser	--
FS	#27 Jake Fagnano	#7 Stephen Obeng-Agyapong
CB	#4 Adrian Amos	#39 Jesse Della Valle	#1 Jordan Lucas
K	#97 Sam Ficken	--	--
P	#45 Alex Butterworth	--	--
KR	???	--	--
PR	Not Gerald Hodges	--	--
LS	#57 Emery Etter	--	--
H	#37 Evan Lewis	--	--

 

[PSUFTG2]

Depth Chart for Game 2 in 2012; disingenuous to only list non-returning and leaving starters as proof the team was dilapidated. Lots of talent there despite being young/inexperienced, but that's every team, every year (this depth chart does not include RB Bill Belton who would have been the starter if not for an injury in Game1) - anyone want to count the starters who ended up on NFL rosters at some point?:

Sp.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Def.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Off.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
HC	Bill O'Brien
QB	#11 Matt McGloin	#7 Paul Jones	#12 Steven Bench
RB	#24 Derek Day	#28 Zack Zwinak	#26 Curtis Dukes
FB	#9 Michael Zordich	#35 Pat Zerbe	#45 P.J. Byers
TE-Y	#89 Garry Gilliam	#18 Jesse James	--
TE-F	#87 Kyle Carter	#84 Matt Lehman	#82 Brian Irvin
WR	#8 Allen Robinson	#37 Evan Lewis	#85 Brandon Moseby-Felder
WR	#81 Shawney Kersey	#15 Alex Kenney	#10 Trevor Williams
OT	#76 Donovan Smith	#70 Nate Cadogan	--
OG	#65 Miles Dieffenbach	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#75 Eric Shrive
OC	#54 Matt Stankiewitch	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#55 Wendy Laurent
OG	#64 John Urschel	#75 Eric Shrive	#62 Frank Figueroa
OT	#78 Mike Farrell	#58 Adam Gress	#79 Kevin Blanchard
DE	#90 Sean Stanley	#86 C.J. Olaniyan	--
DT	#47 Jordan Hill	#84 Kyle Baublitz	--
DT	#91 DaQuan Jones	#93 James Terry	#99 Austin Johnson
DE	#18 Deion Barnes	#59 Pete Massaro	#98 Anthony Zettel
OLB	#6 Gerald Hodges	#43 Mike Hull	--
MLB	#40 Glenn Carson	#5 Nyeem Wartman	#33 Michael Yancich
OLB	#42 Michael Mauti	#38 Ben Kline	--
CB	#12 Stephon Morris	#3 DaQuan Davis	--
SS	#28 Malcolm Willis	#23 Ryan Keiser	--
FS	#27 Jake Fagnano	#7 Stephen Obeng-Agyapong
CB	#4 Adrian Amos	#39 Jesse Della Valle	#1 Jordan Lucas
K	#97 Sam Ficken	--	--
P	#45 Alex Butterworth	--	--
KR	???	--	--
PR	Not Gerald Hodges	--	--
LS	#57 Emery Etter	--	--
H	#37 Evan Lewis	--	--

Of that entire staring lineup:
1 OL (Smith)
1 WR (Robinson)
1 at DL (Jones)
1 at LB (Hodges)
1 in the secondary (Amos)

Had meaningful (started for at least 1 year) NFL careers. That ain't much,
And 3 of them were just youngsters in 2012 (Though, IIRC, Robinson had a big year under B'OB)

The 2 deep had at least 1/2 a dozen walkons, and a healthy smattering of marginal (at best) P5 level guys..

That was an Indiana level roster, IMO.

God bless those kids, but beating any Big Ten team with that roster was a hel of an accomplishment.

 

[LB99]

Depth Chart for Game 2 in 2012; disingenuous to only list non-returning and leaving starters as proof the team was dilapidated. Lots of talent there despite being young/inexperienced, but that's every team, every year (this depth chart does not include RB Bill Belton who would have been the starter if not for an injury in Game1) - anyone want to count the starters who ended up on NFL rosters at some point?:

Off.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Def.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Sp.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
HC	Bill O'Brien
QB	#11 Matt McGloin	#7 Paul Jones	#12 Steven Bench
RB	#24 Derek Day	#28 Zack Zwinak	#26 Curtis Dukes
FB	#9 Michael Zordich	#35 Pat Zerbe	#45 P.J. Byers
TE-Y	#89 Garry Gilliam	#18 Jesse James	--
TE-F	#87 Kyle Carter	#84 Matt Lehman	#82 Brian Irvin
WR	#8 Allen Robinson	#37 Evan Lewis	#85 Brandon Moseby-Felder
WR	#81 Shawney Kersey	#15 Alex Kenney	#10 Trevor Williams
OT	#76 Donovan Smith	#70 Nate Cadogan	--
OG	#65 Miles Dieffenbach	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#75 Eric Shrive
OC	#54 Matt Stankiewitch	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#55 Wendy Laurent
OG	#64 John Urschel	#75 Eric Shrive	#62 Frank Figueroa
OT	#78 Mike Farrell	#58 Adam Gress	#79 Kevin Blanchard
DE	#90 Sean Stanley	#86 C.J. Olaniyan	--
DT	#47 Jordan Hill	#84 Kyle Baublitz	--
DT	#91 DaQuan Jones	#93 James Terry	#99 Austin Johnson
DE	#18 Deion Barnes	#59 Pete Massaro	#98 Anthony Zettel
OLB	#6 Gerald Hodges	#43 Mike Hull	--
MLB	#40 Glenn Carson	#5 Nyeem Wartman	#33 Michael Yancich
OLB	#42 Michael Mauti	#38 Ben Kline	--
CB	#12 Stephon Morris	#3 DaQuan Davis	--
SS	#28 Malcolm Willis	#23 Ryan Keiser	--
FS	#27 Jake Fagnano	#7 Stephen Obeng-Agyapong
CB	#4 Adrian Amos	#39 Jesse Della Valle	#1 Jordan Lucas
K	#97 Sam Ficken	--	--
P	#45 Alex Butterworth	--	--
KR	???	--	--
PR	Not Gerald Hodges	--	--
LS	#57 Emery Etter	--	--
H	#37 Evan Lewis	--	--

You are not wrong, but the experience/depth was not what it could have been. Belton was the starter because several guys in front of him left (Silas Redd). It’s also a bit misleading to say look at all these guys that made it to the NFL. Yes, they made it, but when B’OB took over, guys like Robinson and Urshel were unknown 2 star recruits. They weren’t seasoned college players. He helped develop many of these guys. Hell, McGloin was awful in 2011. In 2012, BO’B had him amongst the B1G leaders in QB categories.

 

[LB99]

Of that entire staring lineup:
1 OL (Smith)
1 WR (Robinson)
1 at DL (Jones)
1 at LB (Hodges)
1 in the secondary (Amos)

Had meaningful NFL careers. That ain't much,
And 3 of them were just youngsters in 2012 (Though, IIRC, Robinson had a big year under B'OB)

The 2 deep had at least 1/2 a dozen walkons, and a healthy smattering of marginal (at best) P5 level guys..

That was an Indiana level roster, IMO.

God bless those kids, but beating any Big Ten team with that roster was a hel of an accomplishment.

Urshel was a starter in Baltimore before taking the early retirement to protect his biggest asset…his brain.

 

[marshall23]

The Patriots were going to fire O'Brien after the playoffs were over, pure and simple.

I was trying to be diplomatic.

 

[marshall23]

Depth Chart for Game 2 in 2012; disingenuous to only list non-returning and leaving starters as proof the team was dilapidated. Lots of talent there despite being young/inexperienced, but that's every team, every year (this depth chart does not include RB Bill Belton who would have been the starter if not for an injury in Game1) - anyone want to count the starters who ended up on NFL rosters at some point?:

Off.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Def.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
Sp.	First Team	Second Team	Reserves
HC	Bill O'Brien
QB	#11 Matt McGloin	#7 Paul Jones	#12 Steven Bench
RB	#24 Derek Day	#28 Zack Zwinak	#26 Curtis Dukes
FB	#9 Michael Zordich	#35 Pat Zerbe	#45 P.J. Byers
TE-Y	#89 Garry Gilliam	#18 Jesse James	--
TE-F	#87 Kyle Carter	#84 Matt Lehman	#82 Brian Irvin
WR	#8 Allen Robinson	#37 Evan Lewis	#85 Brandon Moseby-Felder
WR	#81 Shawney Kersey	#15 Alex Kenney	#10 Trevor Williams
OT	#76 Donovan Smith	#70 Nate Cadogan	--
OG	#65 Miles Dieffenbach	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#75 Eric Shrive
OC	#54 Matt Stankiewitch	#66 Angelo Mangiro	#55 Wendy Laurent
OG	#64 John Urschel	#75 Eric Shrive	#62 Frank Figueroa
OT	#78 Mike Farrell	#58 Adam Gress	#79 Kevin Blanchard
DE	#90 Sean Stanley	#86 C.J. Olaniyan	--
DT	#47 Jordan Hill	#84 Kyle Baublitz	--
DT	#91 DaQuan Jones	#93 James Terry	#99 Austin Johnson
DE	#18 Deion Barnes	#59 Pete Massaro	#98 Anthony Zettel
OLB	#6 Gerald Hodges	#43 Mike Hull	--
MLB	#40 Glenn Carson	#5 Nyeem Wartman	#33 Michael Yancich
OLB	#42 Michael Mauti	#38 Ben Kline	--
CB	#12 Stephon Morris	#3 DaQuan Davis	--
SS	#28 Malcolm Willis	#23 Ryan Keiser	--
FS	#27 Jake Fagnano	#7 Stephen Obeng-Agyapong
CB	#4 Adrian Amos	#39 Jesse Della Valle	#1 Jordan Lucas
K	#97 Sam Ficken	--	--
P	#45 Alex Butterworth	--	--
KR	???	--	--
PR	Not Gerald Hodges	--	--
LS	#57 Emery Etter	--	--
H	#37 Evan Lewis	--	--

Never should have lost to Ohio.

 

[Midnighter]

Of that entire staring lineup:
1 OL (Smith)
1 WR (Robinson)
1 at DL (Jones)
1 at LB (Hodges)
1 in the secondary (Amos)

Had meaningful (started for at least 1 year) NFL careers. That ain't much,
And 3 of them were just youngsters in 2012 (Though, IIRC, Robinson had a big year under B'OB)

The 2 deep had at least 1/2 a dozen walkons, and a healthy smattering of marginal (at best) P5 level guys..

That was an Indiana level roster, IMO.

God bless those kids, but beating any Big Ten team with that roster was a hel of an accomplishment.

'
Sorry, disagree. Urschel, Carter, McGloin, Mauti, and probably a few others had some stint in the NFL. You don't have to be a starter for it to be meaningful. Depth was certainly an issue, but Indiana? Pfft.

 

[PSUFTG2]

Never should have lost to Ohio.

Probably true. And never should have beaten Northwestern or Wisconsin.

So there ya' go.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Urshel was a starter in Baltimore before taking the early retirement to protect his biggest asset…his brain.

Yep, he had a few more years left if he wanted I imagine.

 

[Corner Room Breakfast]

How many OSU (or ScUM) coaches have come to PSU?

The flow is undeniable.

The effort to beat Penn State is just slightly below Michigan, so it's a no no to jump to PSU.

 

[PSUJam]

Of that entire staring lineup:
1 OL (Smith)
1 WR (Robinson)
1 at DL (Jones)
1 at LB (Hodges)
1 in the secondary (Amos)

4 of those guys are still every down players in the NFL 11 years later. To discount them because they didn't start before B'OB got there is disingenuous at the least. Indiana my azz.

 

[Corner Room Breakfast]

After the losses to normal graduation and kids being recruited out to other programs:

Penn State's roster entering 2012:

QB: Matt McGloin - who was "not good" in 2011 was the only scholarship QB remaining (and he was, of course, originally a walk on)

RB:
Leader rusher, Silas Redd.... Gone
2nd leading rusher, Stephon Green.... Gone
Brandon Beachum.... Gone
Joe Suhey... Gone
Curtis Dukes... ran for less than 100 yards, then left

Left with 2 little used Fullbacks (Zordich and Zwinak, who had combined for 37 yards rushing in 2011) to play in the backfield

TE:
Andrew Szczerba and Kevin Haplea... Gone
Had to play an offensive lineman (Gilliam) at TE, until working in new freshman Carter

WR:
Derek Moye, Justin Brown, Devon Smith... three top receivers... all Gone
Leading returning receivers? Brandon Felder (4 catches) and Shawney Kersey (5 catches) (and Kersey left early in the season)

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Lost starting OTs Okoli and Barham
Lost starting OGs Pannell and Troutman
Returned one starter - Stankiewitch at OC


Defensively returned starters Hodges (leading tackler) and Carson at LB. Jordan Hill at DT, Sean Stanley at DE

Lost 2nd and 3rd leading tacklers Astorino and Stupar
Lost 5th leading tackler and interception leader Sukay
Lost top DE and sack leader Crawford
Lost top DT Still
Lost LB Fortt
Lost entire secondary - Lynn and Powell at CB - along with Sukay and Astorino at S - and had to play walkons like Della Valle, Fagnano, and Keiser the secondary.


Also lost K/P Fera - and had to rely on walkons and freshmen



Love him or hate him, but:
BO'B for the most part took a lot of chicken feathers and made chicken soup (not even considering the "outside" concerns of keeping the team together)... especially on offense - which essentially returned NOTHING for 2012.

Good summary, i will never respect any of those players who left, ever.

 

[Midnighter]

4 of those guys are still every down players in the NFL 11 years later. To discount them because they didn't start before B'OB got there is disingenuous at the least. Indiana my azz.

Seven first or second team All Big Ten players on that roster.

 

[LB99]

Seven first or second team All Big Ten players on that roster.

How many of those players were on those lists the previous year?

 

[Midnighter]

How many were on those lists the previous year?

Not many. But they also didn’t play. Point is the team had talent.

 

[LB99]

Not many. But they also didn’t play. Point is the team had talent.

You made Barry’s point. They were unknowns and inexperienced. Yes, they were talented, but to discredit BO’B and act like he inherited a roster of NFL ready players isn’t accurate. If you don’t like BO’B, that’s ok, but you at least have to give him some credit for the job he did. Do you think McGloin sniffs an NFL roster without that senior season under BO’B? Allen Robinson developed under him. So did others.

 

[Midnighter]

You made Barry’s point. They were unknown’s and inexperienced. Yes, they were talented, but to discredit BO’B and act like he inherited a roster of NFL ready players isn’t accurate. If you don’t like BO’B, that’s ok, but you at least have to give him some credit for the job he did. Do you think McGloin sniffs an NFL roster without that senior season under BO’B? Allen Robinson developed under him. So did others.

He happened to be the coach. Sure BOB helped and deserves credit, but it was far from a solo effort. Robinson and all others would have been stars anywhere. Except Maybe McGloin. Acting like he had the worst roster in the B1G when he arrived is just not true. They finished second in the division in 2012 with two very bad losses. Those were the exceptions - not the wins against NW and Wisconsin, which were more representative of how good a team it could be. I actually loved OB - he’s just a clown for how he left. Hope he sucks in Ohio but probably won’t.

 

[PSUJam]

Of that entire staring lineup:
1 OL (Smith)
1 WR (Robinson)
1 at DL (Jones)
1 at LB (Hodges)
1 in the secondary (Amos)

Had meaningful (started for at least 1 year) NFL careers. That ain't much,
And 3 of them were just youngsters in 2012 (Though, IIRC, Robinson had a big year under B'OB)

The 2 deep had at least 1/2 a dozen walkons, and a healthy smattering of marginal (at best) P5 level guys..

That was an Indiana level roster, IMO.

God bless those kids, but beating any Big Ten team with that roster was a hel of an accomplishment.

Indiana had zero players drafted in 2013. They had two players drafted in 2014, one in 2015, three in 2016, and one in 2017. Only 2 of those players remain in the NFL. Indiana level roster?

Figures don't lie. Sometimes liars figure though.

 

[LB99]

He happened to be the coach. Sure BOB helped and deserves credit, but it was far from a solo effort. Robinson and all others would have been stars anywhere. Except Maybe McGloin. Acting like he had the worst roster in the B1G when he arrived is just not true. They finished second in the division in 2012 with two very bad losses. Those were the exceptions - not the wins against NW and Wisconsin, which were more representative of how good a team it could be. I actually loved OB - he’s just a clown for how he left. Hope he sucks in Ohio but probably won’t.

That’s the ultimate “I’m not giving him any credit” response.