Get Rid of Franklin

[Alphalion75]

Mmmmmm, not sure sure. I’ve see plenty of stopovers that weren’t called. I think his natural momentum partially cased the step over.

I dont know if anything was said or not. I’m sure there is chattering all game long.

You cam make excuses all you want. But most would agree it was a play.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

I actually appreciated his post game interview. There were no excuses. He owned it, took his medicine. It sounded like he is feeling the pressure. Need to see the results show up next week against Washington, which will be a tough opponent.

Thankfully, Washington has the time change to endure and perhaps be emotionally drawn from facing USC tonight. Although will we be emotionally up after losing to Ohio State?

 

[stater02]

Even the announcers didn’t think the kid taunted. He got up over him, but that happens when players fall down on top of each other. Point is, in a tight ballgame, unless it’s blatant, then why throw the flag unless you’re trying to help one of the teams. I hate that playing tosu turns me into a raving conspiracy theorist, but dammit, **** like this happens so frequently that it just gives me pause.

That’s not true. Go back and watch it here. You’ll hear Klatt say “you can’t do that”.

 

[psuno1]

Well we should beat them easily. No excuses. Should run the table
Next 4 games!!

@ Minnesota don't think that will be easy, what happened the last time PSU played there?

 

[Paws057]

They should win the rest of their games. The new chant of the curse of this never ending Franklin era will now be “but he got us into the playoffs!!!”

You suppose people who say that will remember they expanded the number of teams in the playoffs?

 

[Midnighter]

Bob: I think you have good points about both the buyout of Franklin, et al being a financial albatross and the question of who PSU could get that is an improvement on Franklin.

But I have to say that I am finally convinced that a change needs to come. Franklin just does not seem capable of winning big games, and he seems to make some really questionable decisions in big games. (Like not calling timeout in the last minute before the end of the first half, when we were going for it on fourth down, and, especially, running the ball straight up the middle three straight times when we had first and goal at the tOSU 2 or 3 yard line.) We had exactly zero offensive touchdowns. I can't put all of that on Kotelnicki.

PSU football strikes me, right now, as the CFB equivalent of "The Little Train that Couldn't." We just can't get to the top of the hill, and it seems like that is never gonna change with Franklin in charge.

I have always defended him to date, and would readily admit that going 10-2 is nothing to sneeze at. But I have to ask you: Would you prefer to: (1) continue going 10-2 forever and never getting to the top of the hill (which I regard as beating tOSU and either winning the national championship or going deep in the CFB playoffs); or (2) taking a chance on a new coach who might just get PSU to the top of the hill, even if the downside risk is we have a couple of crappy seasons? I can tell you that I would readily choose Option 2. I have had enough of Option 1. PSU deserves better than this, IMHO, and should certainly aspire to better than this.

I don't think anything should be done until the end of the season at the earliest, but if Franklin has his agent dangle his name in front of another school again, I would favor not doing anything about it. Nor would I favor any further extensions until and unless Franklin changes the equation, which I don't see happening.

Those arguing that they need to know who Penn State could hire that would be a 100%i mprovement over Franklin have fooled themselves into thinking such a thing can be proven. It can’t. You have no idea if your next hire will be Kirby Smart or Scott Frost; Dan Lanning or Chip
Kelly. You just don’t know. A lot depends on how much appetite fans have for a change.

I predicted a loss and came pretty close on the final score, so not shocked at the result but disappointed because as usual, we’re close but still find ways to lose. Can still get into the playoffs and build from there, but we’ve had two years in a row with OSU on the ropes and blew them. Franklin is our decade long constant and we know what we have in him. I’ve been ready to move on for a while but know we’re stuck for the time being.

 

[Corner Room Breakfast]

WW J D. What would Joe Do

Joe would sit him a quarter the following week no matter the opponent.

J. Reed cost us 15 last week with giving the football away, and 15 this week with helmet off.
The Defense lacks discipline, coach was bragging on Carter, but he's costing us easy first downs
with his offsides all year.

 

[Midnighter]

More ‘give me a name’ crap…..

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Franklin’s taking names

Maybe he should hire the heckler……!

 

[Nittering Nabob]

@ Minnesota don't think that will be easy, what happened the last time PSU played there?

@Minnesota is probably a 70% chance of loss.

 

[Nitt1300]

More ‘give me a name’ crap…..

he's not wrong

 

[Midnighter]

he's not wrong

Nope. Not for the risk averse he isn’t. And he will leave before PSU buys him out.

 

[SRD_PSU]

 

[PSU87]

Those arguing that they need to know who Penn State could hire that would be a 100%i mprovement over Franklin have fooled themselves into thinking such a thing can be proven. It can’t. You have no idea if your next hire will be Kirby Smart or Scott Frost; Dan Lanning or Chip
Kelly. You just don’t know. A lot depends on how much appetite fans have for a change.

I predicted a loss and came pretty close on the final score, so not shocked at the result but disappointed because as usual, we’re close but still find ways to lose. Can still get into the playoffs and build from there, but we’ve had two years in a row with OSU on the ropes and blew them. Franklin is our decade long constant and we know what we have in him. I’ve been ready to move on for a while but know we’re stuck for the time being.

Plus, they miss the whole concept of a discussion forum.

We are not going to solve it here... the whole point of this board is to talk about it.

I don't know if Cignetti, or Diaz or Rhule or Meyer are the right answer. I don't get paid to know.

Talking about Franklin's shortcomings in no way requires me to have a solution.

 

[Midnighter]

 

[Nitt1300]

Nope. Not for the risk averse he isn’t. And he will leave before PSU buys him out.

yes, I think he will. Then we can enjoy some 8-4 seasons like Bama did until they got lucky with Saban.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Even the announcers didn’t think the kid taunted. He got up over him, but that happens when players fall down on top of each other. Point is, in a tight ballgame, unless it’s blatant, then why throw the flag unless you’re trying to help one of the teams. I hate that playing tosu turns me into a raving conspiracy theorist, but dammit, **** like this happens so frequently that it just gives me pause.

Wrong, he ball hung him. It’s a fight on a nyc bb playground

 

[razpsu]

@ Minnesota don't think that will be easy, what happened the last time PSU played there?

Yea but they were 9-0 and pretty decent. Saying that. They were ranked and franklin struggled then dotson had a sure td and tripped over his shoe laces and then the offensive pass int, ugh. That was a long trip!!

 

[BiochemPSU]

More ‘give me a name’ crap…..

Such a dumb argument; “don’t do something to solve your problem, you might create another one!”

Don’t get chemo, it kills your immune system and you might die from a cold! Don’t put on that seatbelt, what if it gets jammed and the car catches on fire! Don’t leave your abusive spouse, what if you never find someone else to love!

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

That’s not true. Go back and watch it here. You’ll hear Klatt say “you can’t do that”.

The halftime crew then…somebody said it.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Here’s something from a few days before the game:

Bet he went home and sobbed all over his mutual funds.
Big Game James has stumbled and fumbled his way amassing a fortune. His children and their children will never want. Meanwhile the journalists hoping for clicks that critique him earn 50k per year. Bring in on LOL.
Every Pop Warner, high school, D3, D2 and most D1 coaches and everyone one on their staff would kill to be in Big Game James' shoes.

 

[MacNit]

The buyout is a huge albatross around Kraft’s neck, but let’s say he comes up with the cash money thanks to the beautiful people or many who smell like us:

Franklin may never get over the hump, but he does win a lot of games. How often does a school fire a guy with Franklin’s record (just for wins and losses and not resulting from a scandal)?

Penn State hasn’t won a national championship since 1986. Would it be arrogant for Kraft to fire Franklin thinking someone better would take the job?

Who could Penn State hire who is better than Franklin? This is not to say that there aren’t better options. Rather, who of the better would come to Penn State? Day? Lanning? Penn State isn’t getting those guys. So, who?

That is the biggest cop out in the world. How long does he get to keep the job until someone else gets a chance? Is he like a Supreme Court Justice?

We put 111+k in the stands…amazing support for 2nd tier results.

 

[MacNit]

That was a ticky tack penalty that never should have been called

Typical joke Big10 penalty…horrendous thumb on the scale…changed momentum of entire game too.

 

[MacNit]

I think it's better to question if it would have been called on OSU had the roles been reversed, but it was such an easy, obvious call for the refs to make. #9 tackled him from the side, and intentionally straddled him and put his junk in his face. Nothing ticky tack about it - it's a penalty, clear as day. These players know better. It's a lack of discipline and #9 should have sat the rest of the game.

You could call that type of penalty a n nearly every play: bow and arrow taunts, etc, etc, etc which I watched O$U do a lot with no penalty…laughable to think that would have been called on O$U in this game…O$U is the better team…but the Big10 was taking no chances…

 

[MacNit]

It would cost somewhere around 70-5 million to get rid of CJF, assistants and all the people involved in the operations. Now times 2 to bring in the new guy and all of his people. Is the BOT going to shell out that kind of coin for a team that wins 9-10 games a year, plays in a decent bowl, puts 111k in the stands, sella’s out all hotels etc…. And like you said, give me a name. Plus…. Happy Valley United loves CJF

Give you a name?…what a cop out……other teams move on and get better (some do get worse)…I guess you are ok with mediocrity?

 

[MacNit]

Franklin still can have his best season ever with 1 loss. It is possible. Not a given but possible. 5-6 seed at home playoff game dec 20 would
Be aweeeeesssssommmmeee.
should have beat osu today as they are not that great. Maybe we can meet them again!!

Possible. May lose to Washington. Likely to lose to Minnesota.

Time for someone else to get a chance.

 

[MacNit]

Well we should beat them easily. No excuses. Should run the table
Next 4 games!!

At least one more loss…maybe 2

 

[MacNit]

Michigan and Ohio State get rid of a coach for losing too much to the other team.

Exactly. Franklin is simply not good enough. Not elite. Does not mean he is a bad person or a poor coach.

 

[MacNit]

Franklin is the 13th highest paid coach in CFB, his team finished 13th last year. Barring a complete meltdown, they can make the playoffs.

Does losing at Minnesota constitute a meltdown?

 

[Moogy]

That is the biggest cop out in the world. How long does he get to keep the job until someone else gets a chance? Is he like a Supreme Court Justice?

We put 111+k in the stands…amazing support for 2nd tier results.

It’s a tough spot to be in. He’s rebuilt the program to the point where many feel justified demanding being one of the top 5 programs in the nation. Everything else is “mediocre” at best.

And now that those folks have fully adopted the Ricky Bobby “if you ain’t first, you’re last” motto, where’s the magic going to come from to morph that into a reality?

The chances of actually improving are slim. Likely very slim. But these kids want their golden binky NOW.

We aren’t blessed with fertile recruiting grounds any longer, and we don’t have oodles and oodles of money anymore, because some of these same folks want to go back in time, to a mythical period of history, while simultaneously fast forwarding to new glory years, and they’re holding their breath and clutching their wallets until they get their way.

So, how is the next target of ridicule .. erm, head coach, going to create this Xanadu? How are we going to rig the lottery so we actually win it, against all odds?

 

[stater02]

Possible. May lose to Washington. Likely to lose to Minnesota.

Time for someone else to get a chance.

Why do you think we lose to Minny? I’ve been to several Minnesota games this year. They aren’t special. They haven’t played a team with a defense. Illinois is not a good team, they were overranked when we played them and they don’t have a single impressive win. The USC win was good for Minny at the time but now looks expected. And our game against them is just before the thanksgiving holiday. Stadium will not be full. We bring the juice and will to win, we win that game fairly easily.

 

[Moogy]

Such a dumb argument; “don’t do something to solve your problem, you might create another one!”

Don’t get chemo, it kills your immune system and you might die from a cold! Don’t put on that seatbelt, what if it gets jammed and the car catches on fire! Don’t leave your abusive spouse, what if you never find someone else to love!

Yeah, we have that “11-1 and in the playoffs” cancer. It’s the worst possible type. Fatal. It’s tragic, really.

Rather than your nonsensical attempts at analogies, it’s more like, you’re dating this really good looking, smart, funny nice girl. But your buddies tell you that if you don’t bang supermodels, you’re a loser. So you’re thinking of dumping your girlfriend and then going on random blind dates, hoping that you land that supermodel. And you have the personality and looks of LaKa.

 

[BiochemPSU]

It’s a tough spot to be in. He’s rebuilt the program to the point where many feel justified demanding being one of the top 5 programs in the nation. Everything else is “mediocre” at best.

And now that those folks have fully adopted the Ricky Bobby “if you ain’t first, you’re last” motto, where’s the magic going to come from to morph that into a reality?

The chances of actually improving are slim. Likely very slim. But these kids want their golden binky NOW.

We aren’t blessed with fertile recruiting grounds any longer, and we don’t have oodles and oodles of money anymore, because some of these same folks want to go back in time, to a mythical period of history, while simultaneously fast forwarding to new glory years, and they’re holding their breath and clutching their wallets until they get their way.

So, how is the next target of ridicule .. erm, head coach, going to create this Xanadu? How are we going to rig the lottery so we actually win it, against all odds?

I’m sorry, who wants to go back in time when we had a head coach who got to run this program like a kingdom until he died? The guy is paid to win, he doesn’t win. 111,000 showed up, you think that is just going to away if someone new gets the job? Get real. This school wants to win, there will always be support and players who want to come here. If we beat OSU with any consistency we would have higher rate recruits and get better portal guys, regardless of whether they are in our backyard or not. By the way, OSU qb is from our backyard, in case you didn’t hear.

 

[Moogy]

I’m sorry, who wants to go back in time when we had a head coach who got to run this program like a kingdom until he died? The guy is paid to win, he doesn’t win. 111,000 showed up, you think that is just going to away if someone new gets the job? Get real. This school wants to win, there will always be support and players who want to come here. If we beat OSU with any consistency we would have higher rate recruits and get better portal guys, regardless of whether they are in our backyard or not. By the way, OSU qb is from our backyard, in case you didn’t hear.

Ah, yes … so all we need to do to become elite, is already be elite.

By Jove, you’ve solved it!

By the way, OSU qb is one of their weak points. Very out of character for a program of their quality and may end up being a main reason they don’t get close to the top of the podium.

 

[Michnit]

As long as he continues to go 10-2 every year, he won't be fired. I'm not even sure that I know who I'd want right now. Before the season began, I was a Rhule guy. The bloom is off that rose now. Gotta be careful what you wish for.

I really believe that most PSU fans understand we're not going to be a top 5 team every year. Just beat OSU more than once a decade. It really isn't too much to ask.

A top 5 team every year? Yeah, that ain't happening.

 

[BiochemPSU]

Yeah, we have that “11-1 and in the playoffs” cancer. It’s the worst possible type. Fatal. It’s tragic, really.

Rather than your nonsensical attempts at analogies, it’s more like, you’re dating this really good looking, smart, funny nice girl. But your buddies tell you that if you don’t bang supermodels, you’re a loser. So you’re thinking of dumping your girlfriend and then going on random blind dates, hoping that you land that supermodel. And you have the personality and looks of LaKa.

Keeping with the sex theme, we couldn’t get it in at all today. So I guess it doesn’t matter what our head coach looks like.

 

[BiochemPSU]

Ah, yes … so all we need to do to become elite, is already be elite.

By Jove, you’ve solved it!

By the way, OSU qb is one of their weak points. Very out of character for a program of their quality and may end up being a main reason they don’t get close to the top of the podium.

No, we need a new head coach. Try reading that again.

as for Howard, I wasn’t impressed with him either. Yet, we didn’t exactly turn our 5 star QB into the next Joe Montana.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Running the program scared. Silly take. Are you thinking only Franklin can beat blue hens and lose to the big boys?

 

[Calabrin]

Here is what I do not understand: this is Penn State. We have a MAJOR college football program.

Any head coach could come in here and win 9-10 games every year beating cupcakes, and then losing 2-3 games to tough opponents.

Why is anyone acting like this is a special or desirable outcome?

 

[MacNit]

It’s a tough spot to be in. He’s rebuilt the program to the point where many feel justified demanding being one of the top 5 programs in the nation. Everything else is “mediocre” at best.

And now that those folks have fully adopted the Ricky Bobby “if you ain’t first, you’re last” motto, where’s the magic going to come from to morph that into a reality?

The chances of actually improving are slim. Likely very slim. But these kids want their golden binky NOW.

We aren’t blessed with fertile recruiting grounds any longer, and we don’t have oodles and oodles of money anymore, because some of these same folks want to go back in time, to a mythical period of history, while simultaneously fast forwarding to new glory years, and they’re holding their breath and clutching their wallets until they get their way.

So, how is the next target of ridicule .. erm, head coach, going to create this Xanadu? How are we going to rig the lottery so we actually win it, against all odds?

How do other teams do it? Not by banging your head against a wall for over a decade!