By all accounts we are having a pretty good season. After Saturday, we will be 7-4 with three of our four losses against teams currently ranked in the top 10. It’s a typical MSU of the past 12 years type of season. Dan Mullen had this same type of season almost every year. But there is such relentless negativity on this board by many people that you’d think we were on our way to a 4-8 season or something. Why is that? I’m genuinely curious. Is it that some just hate Leach’s personality so much that anything short of a 10 win season is not good enough? Did you raise your expectations when he was hired? What is it?
Honestly, why is there such toxic negativity about our football season?
- Thread starter FlotownDawg
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In all honesty.... I think it comes down to two things:
1. The Kentucky loss. Yeah, it's only one loss, but they just lost to Vanderbilt.
2. It's year 3 with Leach and I'm not sure we're better than we were in Leach year 1 or Moorhead year 2.
1. The Kentucky loss. Yeah, it's only one loss, but they just lost to Vanderbilt.
2. It's year 3 with Leach and I'm not sure we're better than we were in Leach year 1 or Moorhead year 2.
1. UK loss. "Beat the teams you're supposed to beat."
2. Leach doesn't seem to care, why should the fans?
*Those are not necessarily my thoughts, but a summary of complaints I've heard from typical fans.
2. Leach doesn't seem to care, why should the fans?
*Those are not necessarily my thoughts, but a summary of complaints I've heard from typical fans.
Dude, quit looking on my paper**
Because people are nuts. We should all be pissed about the UK game though. Defense and offense didn’t off the bus. No excuse for that defensive performance. Offense sucked too but Kentucky has a pretty good D.
Well, at least I'm not the only one seeing it that way.
Yeah, we keep hearing "win some he's not supposed to" and "lose some he's not supposed to"... but I'm seeing a lot more of the latter than former.
My thoughts on the matter. I’ve seen this posted before on here but it’s true. Leach is a high floor coach. Go back and look at his year by year record. Except for the first few years at WSU, when he was pulling that program out of the abyss, he’s won between 7 and 9 games almost every season. He had one 11-win season at Tech and one at Wazzu, but almost every other year was between 7 and 9 wins. Throw out the Covid year, and that’s exactly what he’s done here. We have a stable program with Leach that will likely win 7 to 9 games a year with a potential double digit type win season if things break right. If some MSU fans aren’t happy with that, then they won’t be happy with Leach.
Let me say the quiet part out loud...
It's because OM is doing well.
It's because OM is doing well.
Is the way we are losing games. Offense has been unwatchable the past few weeks.
Also the fact that our “good” wins are A&M and Arky. One lost to App State at home and one lost to Liberty at home. Kentucky also lost to Vandy and So Car at home. We struggled against the only other team we’ve beaten that had a pulse (and that’s a dying pulse), taking OT to win.
Barring an upset in Oxford, we will have 7 wins against 6 god awful teams and one that didn’t have their starting QB.
Then the fact that our offense wasn’t remotely competitive in the 11 of 12 quarters against UGA, Bama, and LSU.
Barring an upset in Oxford, we will have 7 wins against 6 god awful teams and one that didn’t have their starting QB.
Then the fact that our offense wasn’t remotely competitive in the 11 of 12 quarters against UGA, Bama, and LSU.
there are a handful of dildos on this board like L4 that just post the same **** over and over again because they lead miserable lives with no control over anything so they come here to vomit on everyone else. Rinse and repeat
Yep if Ole Miss was 4-6 right nowwe wouldn’t be upset. However, Cohen sold Leach to our fanbase as someone that with his Air Raid Offense would enable us to be more competitive with BAMA.
Bad coaches have won 7 games here. That's not a high floor. The offense and recruiting are going backwards. You guys that think we should be stuck at 7 wins a year and be happy suck! It's part of the problem at State. This stupid notion we should hold our spot and stay in our lane.
I would still be kinda “meh” about our current state, but I won’t deny back to back double-digit wins and NY6’s makes it worse.
What bad coaches have consistently won 7 games a season? Croom lucked into an 8 win season because a bunch of defensive touchdowns but he didn’t win more than four any other year. Hell, Dan Mullen averaged 7.6 wins a year in his tenure and I’m sure you’d welcome him back.
People are mad about losing the egg bowl before we play it. That game is the difference between a good year and a bad one. For our fanbase this season the difference between 7-5 and an egg bowl loss and 8-4 with a win is like the difference between 10-2 and 5-7.
There's a third thing: the current state of football at OM
This is true. Both State and Ole Miss should enter the Egg Bowl 8-3. We screwed the pooch at Kentucky. If we had beaten Kentucky, losing the Egg Bowl wouldn’t really matter.
For me it’s the Dan Mullen effect. The resources are available to break into the next tier if the right people in the right places make the right calls.
State may never be a perineal 10 win team but it seems like when the stars align for us to win 9 or 10, like this year, we **** the bed.
AL and GA are completely justified losses. Every other game is winnable. Hell we were up on LUS two scores on the road, but they made in game adjustments when State made zero.
State may never be a perineal 10 win team but it seems like when the stars align for us to win 9 or 10, like this year, we **** the bed.
AL and GA are completely justified losses. Every other game is winnable. Hell we were up on LUS two scores on the road, but they made in game adjustments when State made zero.
If Moorhead can do it, a blind squirrel can. This ain't 1985 anymore. Our program improved the last several years, along with now being a top 35 program revenue wise (we were near the bottom of the country in the 80s).
Forgive me if I don't won't to settle for an ugly chic because she's got big tits when I'm pretty confident I can plow a much better looking chic.
Because we are 0-2 the past two years against Ole Miss and will likely be 0-3 after this year.
Because we would be expecting to beat them. A win in that game will make most of it go away.
We may be top 35 in the country but how many other SEC schools are higher than that? I’m guessing most of them. It doesn’t matter what we do in the country, it matters what we are relative to the rest of the conference. It’s like recruiting rankings. We can be 25th in the country, but only 12th in the SEC.
1. Leach in no way shape or form is engaging.
2. We don’t seem to have improved since Moorhead was here and Joe won 2 Egg Bowls…
3. We are very boring to watch
4. Ole Miss has been ranked for 27 straight weeks in the AP Poll.
5. OM marketing is everywhere and trendy. Ours is blah.
2. We don’t seem to have improved since Moorhead was here and Joe won 2 Egg Bowls…
3. We are very boring to watch
4. Ole Miss has been ranked for 27 straight weeks in the AP Poll.
5. OM marketing is everywhere and trendy. Ours is blah.
But we're talking about being able to find a better coach. And that's just revenue too. That's not including our SEC money. This is a great job now compared to 40 years ago. We can find a good coach. Mike Leach is a washed up history buff. He's not coaching or recruiting.
Blaming the fans is working out well for Disney and the rest of the film industry, we will see how much you achieve what you want with that theory.
We are about to be 0-3 in Egg Bowls under Leach. The last time a coach lost 3 in a row on our side was Felker. How did you feel about Felker in 1990?
I love how you act like it could all be solved with some great coach that we just discover hiding under a bushel basket. We need money, lots more money to get to where you want to be and you just skip right over that fact every time you start talking about this and tell us that it's our fault, because we only think in mediocre terms. Kinda need money for that secret, awesome, super coach you're talking about as well
This is what I was about to write. I get uncomfortable as hell every time our offense gets on the field. That and as others have said, that loss to Kentucky took a lot of wind out of my sails. Finally, and I really don't know how to explain this, but there just feels like there's no energy with this team. I don't get that "they're out for blood" feeling from them.
I think you meant our best coaches averaged 7 wins here…
Bottom line is that OM is doing well and some of our fans can’t stand it. KY game was disappointing, but when is the last time we’ve won in Lexington?
Lol, exactly
i dont think cooter has ever made a post that isn’t negative and toxic, ever
This is true. There is chance they could finish the season with 3 loses and lose their coach. We finish 8-4 and a nice bowl game.
I hope it happens.
I disagree that the KY win would have made all of this go away. There is a segment of our fan base on this site and others who just do not want Leach and they are very vocal about it. Just the opinion of a member of the Class of '62
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