Honestly, why is there such toxic negativity about our football season?
- Thread starter FlotownDawg
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Because we hired Leach for an explosive offense and our offense is boring
I also think that the 2018 season has left scars on the mind of the fan base. The underachieving and the loss to Mullen really hurt.
Was it due to an explosive offense or was it due to an effective offense that nobody sees and is harder to prep for?
Boring. that's an interesting choice of words. So it's really not about winning. It's now if it's entertaining.
Correct. Because at the end of the day, the golden days of an occasional 9-10 win season seemingly left when Mullen did.
"seemingly"? LOL
Yes, because 2 years is long enough to know despite the steady improvements.
It's been 2. Anybody counting the covid year is not living in reality. Nothing more than a extended summer practice.
If you’re not counting the Covid year, then how are you also claiming steady improvement?
Offense: 441 yds/gm in ‘21 to 396 yds/gm in ‘22
Defense: 331 yds/gm in ‘21 to 371 yds/gm in ‘22
Did he get paid in the Covid year? I bet it was real to the person signing the checks.
But lets just play your silly little excuse game. If the COVID year didn’t count, how in the Sam Hill did Kiffin get Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl his first year?
I thought it was a mistake when we hired him and nothing has changed my mind. His simple boring offense is never going to compete with the upper level SEC teams. Never. The problem is that I am sure he sees that by now, but will not put in the effort to modify his scheme to try and make it more competitive. In any job paying $5M a year you would expect maximum effort 24/7/365 yet what we get is a guy seemingly more focused on being seen as quirky and saying goofy and funny stuff. Also, I get the impression that he can’t wait for the season to be over so that he can get back to South Florida. I just don’t think he cares whether he wins or not and is just milking us on the way to retirement. I guarantee you that coaches like Nick Sabin and Kirby Smart work circles around Leach. The next guy may not do any better but at least get someone that is focused and passionate about trying to be successful.
”The occasional ten win season” is a myth. It would be nice but it is not in fact our history. You are holding Leach to a standard that simply does not exist except in your own mind. If you want that to be the standard fine, but it is not something that already exists.
A ten win season. One each. Two out of twenty years isn’t occasional, it’s a fluke. Mullen occasionally broke even on a conference record. He occasionally didn’t look exactly like Leach’s tenure. The rest of the time he won eight or nine and got the blew the 17 out by every good team on the schedule. That’s who State really is so spare me the rest of the rose colored memories you people like to banter about. If you want to raise the supposed standard that’s fine but that would include being better than Mullen ever was.
I don’t disdain Mullen but I can be honest about what he achieved, which is a losing conference record and a nice bowl streak. That’s it. Career wise he hasn’t achieved any more than Leach has and he isn’t even a coach anymore.
Like I said, you’ll feel the same way about Leach when he isn’t a coach any more. “Fans” like you always do.
We lose our 4 best defensive players and have recruited poorly. Defense goes backwards next year and offense is pretty much the same crap, depending on who leaves/transfers.
Do we lose them? LOL! I remeber your crew saying our OL would be trash this year too because of the loss of Cross. Turns out... you were ... well... WRONG!
Again.
Just like with Recruiting. 12 four stars last year! LOL!
Your not even making sense my friend. I don’t “feel” anything about Leach, Mullen, or any other Mississippi State coach. What we’re talking about here is records and achievements. It sounds like feelings is all you have left to stand on for Mullen. Maybe Leach somehow hurts your feelings while Mullen made you feel all warm and fuzzy.
I’m not making any sense to you because we play chess on this board.
I will always appreciate a coach who took MSU to #1.
And I will always remember that team getting their tails whipped by Ole Miss and GA Tech. That number one ranking was no more valuable than UK, TAMU, and Arky being in the top ten this year.
Tell that to the people that made that trip to Miami for a New Years Six bowl game. That was a dream come true for a lot of MSU fans.
I’m sure they had fun until the game started. Maybe one year Leach will be lucky enough to face an SEC where every team besides Bama and Ole Miss sucks, you never know. Then maybe your fee fees will be satisfied and the program will once again reach the promised land. Or maybe we fire every coach with less than 8 wins until we get just the right fit.
The guy focused and passionate about winning was Moorehead. That didn’t work out too great.
I won’t argue with you on that. Mullen elevated the program from the depths of Croom. He didn’t go as high as Jackie but he did well. I think Leach could reach just as high with the right support, a new level support fit for the new era of college football.
Give Leach a pro QB and see what that Air Raid looks like then. They are serviceable in most other positions right now and have a far better receiver corps than Dak had.
Unless you think the new AD is going to drop 7.5 million on a new coach then I don’t think there is a high chance of upgrading amidst the bidding war going on with the number of rich programs in the hunt for a new coach this year.
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