If Coach Franklin retired today, who would you want PSU to pursue as the next Head Coach
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. . . and the Lionettes?Get your own coke fueled dream. I'm bringing back Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlin, Spread HD, and the HIT program. And I'm committed to Saban levels of oversignings. And cheerleaders. Lots and lots of cheerleaders.
And screw you woke weenies - they're all going to be women. Real ones.
If he goes 10-2 I'm good with him period.
9-3 3 more years
8-4 or less 2 more years
However even after 2 more years his buyout is huge. 43 million.
Yep, once you figure that group out, let me know. It's the only board I'm banned on.
Since he’s coming off of such a strong NFL run. There’s little to suggest Rhule is any better than Franklin. Both had middling success at middling programs and have real questions on the biggest stage.
Agree with this. NY6 Bowls and 10+ wins there is no reason to make a change in the short term. If he can't get over the OSU hump in the next few, he probably never will. Then you decide if the NY6 Bowls and 2nd/3rd in the B1G is worth the money. The 12 team playoff will make things very interesting - I do think not unreasonable to believe OSU, Michigan, and PSU can be in it most years.
But if OSU and UM can't be beat in the regular season, why would they be beatable in the playoffs? What is the point in making a 12 team playoff if you're going to lose to OSU and UM...again?
On a long enough timeline (or, with more chances), the chances of winning increase. @LionJim - does that add up?
No, that would only be the case if a team's chances of winning are independent of any other variables i.e. random which they are not.
The sample size can always be goosed to make it appear otherwise, but if the selectors are anywhere near reasonably competent in their choices and disasters don't befall teams from the time they're selected through the tournament, it won't work out that way.
Curious.
Do you accept everything CJF does or do you have any criticism and critiques of him? IN general i like him, but there are certainly some head-scratchers every week
I am beginning to wonder if some of the JF Fanboys are really OSU or UM fans (like Wolvie who's apparently an OSU fan but posts as a UM fan) that want JF here for the duration so they can count on a win against PSU every year.
As far as Urban Meyer, he's the one available coach out there that I believe could turn PSU into a B1G East leader. His resume speaks for itself. He's taken two different college teams to national championships, has a total of 3 national championships, two undefeated seasons, and only lost 4 conference games in a 7-year stint at OSU. OSU always finished first (or tied for first) in the Leaders or East division under Meyer. Impressive. Some seem to suggest Meyer has some sort of "sleazy" reputation. Maybe. All I can say is that his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Meyer is quite complimentary and only discusses (in passing) the blemish of the Zach Smith incident, the Josh Lambo incident with the Jags, and the Pint House incident. IMO these incidents are hardly indicative of a "win at any cost" mindset.
As far as JF, he's fine but with him Penn State is never going to attain the top of the B1G again, and will never have a shot at the CFP. If Meyer would take on the coaching job at Penn State I would take whatever minor issues might come with it. The man is now 58 and I believe is a lot older and wiser. IMO he could put Penn State in a great position in a few years and then hopefully leave a legacy like Ryan Day to take over.
I grew up playing and of course coached for more than 15 years. I don't think you can spend that amount of time doing something and not have strong opinions and convictions about how you manage a game.
That being said, the game is very different from when I played and coached.
But there was an old adage in the coaching fraternity ,"depends who has the chalk last." Meaning coaches can approach a situation differently and still achieve the desired result.
While fans here attribute virtually every in game decision (at least all the "bad" ones anyway), the fact is that his management style is to grant his coordinators status as "head coaches" of their side of the ball.
I have great admiration for James as a person. I have had a few interactions with him, my niece grew up with him and they are still very good friends. He is driven to succeed and very principled. He is an indefatigable worker and represents the program and the university very well.
Perhaps because I've spent over 50 years employed either as a coach or athletic administrator, I am naturally amused when keyboard coaches insist they see things that skilled professionals do not. I am angered when fanboys, in cavalier fashion, call for coaches to be fired. At a much lower level, as a high school athletic director, I've had to let a few coaches go. There is nothing enjoyable about those decisions. I'll never understand how little humanity some fans possess or how entitled they feel to suggest this sort of thing constantly.
I absolutely loved Joe. I happened to be in State College on July 23, 2012 to say goodbye to my high school coach and lifetime mentor, Joe Sarra. On the way home I listened to the details of NCAA sanctions and pundits predicting that PSU might never again have a top 10 team. I felt like I was mourning not only the loss of a man who had stood by me for 40 years but the death of Penn State Football.
Since James Franklin came to PSU, I have been privileged to enjoy trips to the Rose, Cotton, Fiesta Bowl to name a few.
But, for me, the most meaningful bowl was the Pinstripe Bowl. To see so many "grateful" PSU fans return to post season play when I thought I might never see it again.....well I'm not ashamed to tell you I shed a few tears when PSU won in overtime.
So, let me conclude by saying its about perspective. I honestly and truly believe that Joe would be proud of the way James has led the program. I'm not in favor of winning at all cost. I bought into "success with honor" 56 years ago and that isn't going to change in my final few years.
I hope PSU stays the course with Coach Franklin and that this team can be 9-3. I think there is some pretty impressive young talent and 10 or 11 wins can be achieved in 23 and 24. Until the playoff format changes, I don't care who coaches.....PSU has little chance to get in the mix.
marshall23 holds gym teachers as infallibly superior to the ignorant masses when it comes to kid's games, but spits on the intelligent and well-trained professionals filling the legal system. THIS is why I'm here. THIS is entertainment. You are why every intelligent kid can't wait to get out of high school to be around other normal, intelligent folks.
1. He’s a much better Xs and Os guy than Franklin.
2. I love his track record in college. He coached at two crap programs and by year three had 10+ wins at each.
3. there are some college coaches that tried the NFL without success, came back to the college ranks and succeeded.
When researching rematches of college football teams in bowls for a given year, I found this:
There appears to be a clear advantage in a bowl rematch for the team that lost in the regular season, as the regular season losers have a record of 16–7 in post-season games, and in five of the losses the margin for the team that won twice was smaller the second time. This is in contrast to rematches that occur in conference championship games where the winners of the first game have a record of 32-20. Two of the twenty-four rematch bowls featured teams that tied during the regular season.
I'd also say look no further than last year's National Championship game where Bama, after defeating Georgia in the regular season 41-24, lost to them 33-18. I think this goes to the 'anything can happen/any given Saturday' nature of College Football. So, better to get a second shot at OSU/Michigan than not I think.
In all fairness to Marshall he is the wise Ole Owl who has patience. With that said he did outline his standards earlier in this post, which I agree with. 10-2 is more than respectable. If there is a change he needs to be rock solid not some hope theb next HC is successful. Hence why for weeks when this topic comes up I simply state there is only one coach available that can deliver... But like Marshall I want success with honor and that is not negotiable. We have standards!I think this says, “yes I accept everything he does, no questions asked”.
I don’t see the X’s and O’s Improvement and as a head coach, he seldom made many playcalls. He got skewered for poor play calls in Carolina and became a turnstile for coordinators as he tried to save his own skin.
Carroll and Saban may be the two examples of NFL to college success. Maybe that’s possible with Rhule. I don’t think Saban is a comparison. He’d won the B1G at MSU and a Natty at LSU before going to the NFL. Carroll I know less about except his failed first head coaching tenures.
If this thread proves anything, it's that nobody has a realistic better alternative - meaning somebody who is both demonstrably better and who would also actually be interested.
You’re funny. I’d put 10 wins at Temple as a hell of an achievement. He never had a QB in the NFL, which we all know is a QB-driven league. Not better at game planning? SMH
Bill O’Brien will never come back to deal with this “bunch of fighters” but I’d spooge if he did.
Question. After 3 years if both coach Franklin and Penn State mutually agreed on parting ways what happens if he was hired by another school? I’m told that’s his payout is guaranteed regardless. True?
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Sean Clifford for head football coach. Allar starts. Everyone wins.
I’d like to resurrect Jerry Faust and put him in charge of the program. Why? BecUse this is a really stupid question. Sorry, Mr. Potter.
Wow, I honestly believe Joe would be horrified with the way Franklin runs the program.
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