If I were Doty I would transfer out

[Section2Cock]

Don't the rules allow a player to play in a certain number of games and still preserve his redshirt?

It's 4 games they are allowed. I may be wrong but I believe Doty has played in 2. So if Rattler goes down in any of the remaining games, Doty can play 2 full games if needed - 3 regular season, 1 bowl. I feel certain that if Rattler stays healthy, Doty will see the field in the final 2 games.

 

[will110]

Firstly, I am not an idiot. He could get a degree from any 4 year school. There's nothing special about a degree from our university. It's a state school with accolades in some areas, but it's not Ivy League. I understand the life lessons about sticking things out and not quitting. My parents didn't let me quit teeball when I was little and I HATED it. So I stuck it out and finished the season, and I'm glad I did. However, there are times in life when things aren't black and white, and there are times when it's okay to leave a situation that is not beneficial to you--for example, I didn't contiune playing teeball because it wasn't for me. It is analagous to the following situation:

Suppose you're a dedicated employee, who has experience and is competent at your position. There's a promotion available, and they give it to a new guy who has had some accomplishments at his old job. In time, however, it appears he wasn't as good as his resume suggested. You've been passed over for a position that you probably would have been just as good at, possibly better. So, at the end of the fiscal year, you decide to seek a position with a new employer who is willing to take the chance on you. Even if you fizzle out as well, you've tried.


How is that idiotic? He's waited patiently. He's paid his dues. I want Doty to be successful, be it here or somewhere else. It's clear he won't even get the chance to do that here, so what's wrong with going somewhere to a team who will take a chance on him? If he fizzles out somewhere else, it's fine. At least he got the chance to try. He isn't going to get that here, even though Rattler isn't performing.

I guess the question is, are you concerned with Doty's well-being? If he sticks it out and never plays, it's a strong character statement. He completed his job, and that's great. However, there's absolutely NOTHING WRONG with wanting someone to take the chance on you.

This is a reasonable, thought out post, and I completely disagree with it.

If Doty transferred because of a lack of playing time, I'd understand, just like I'd understand if any other player left the team in search of playing time.

However, when you say "there's nothing special about a degree from our university" you undermine the whole point of college athletics. I got both of my degrees from USC, and I'm proud to be a Gamecock. I love the university, warts and all. It's a breath of fresh air to see players like Joyner or Doty stick it out because they want to be Gamecocks as well. It's not just about playing time - it's about loving your university and being part of something larger than yourself.

Sure, players leave all the time in search of better playing time situations, basically becoming free agents. But transferring to another school is like switching teams in professional sports. There's nothing special about it.

 

[Rogue Cock]

It's 4 games they are allowed. I may be wrong but I believe Doty has played in 2. So if Rattler goes down in any of the remaining games, Doty can play 2 full games if needed - 3 regular season, 1 bowl. I feel certain that if Rattler stays healthy, Doty will see the field in the final 2 games.

Gotcha....thanks.

 

[Lurker123]

Don't the rules allow a player to play in a certain number of games and still preserve his redshirt?

I think it's 4 games.

Edit: Ha, didn't see it was already answered

 

[Prestonyte]

Don't the rules allow a player to play in a certain number of games and still preserve his redshirt?

yes

 

[Prestonyte]

So you're saying if we play him in cleanup duty, it is ok for him to give up a whole year of starting ?

not clean up duty - meaningful game time. and he can still red shirt. but he gets some experience so he could fill in if needed due to injury.

 

[cockyferg]

This is a reasonable, thought out post, and I completely disagree with it.

If Doty transferred because of a lack of playing time, I'd understand, just like I'd understand if any other player left the team in search of playing time.

However, when you say "there's nothing special about a degree from our university" you undermine the whole point of college athletics. I got both of my degrees from USC, and I'm proud to be a Gamecock. I love the university, warts and all. It's a breath of fresh air to see players like Joyner or Doty stick it out because they want to be Gamecocks as well. It's not just about playing time - it's about loving your university and being part of something larger than yourself.

Sure, players leave all the time in search of better playing time situations, basically becoming free agents. But transferring to another school is like switching teams in professional sports. There's nothing special about it.

I can concede the point that the university means something to them. I also have a master's from USC and have been a fan since childhood. Like I said in another post, if he decides to stick it out without getting the PT, then it illustrates he is a man of the highest caliber of character. I love the fact that they love the university and that they have stayed on as leaders. I think for me though, if it were my dream to play football, then I would want to be able to live out that dream. So essentially, I just meant that I wouldn't blame him if he chose to transfer and if he wants to play it might be the right decision.

 

[will110]

I can concede the point that the university means something to them. I also have a master's from USC and have been a fan since childhood. Like I said in another post, if he decides to stick it out without getting the PT, then it illustrates he is a man of the highest caliber of character. I love the fact that they love the university and that they have stayed on as leaders. I think for me though, if it were my dream to play football, then I would want to be able to live out that dream. So essentially, I just meant that I wouldn't blame him if he chose to transfer and if he wants to play it might be the right decision.

I wouldn't blame him either; I just really appreciate the guys who clearly have a dream to play football for USC.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Don't the rules allow a player to play in a certain number of games and still preserve his redshirt?

I believe it's 4 games, but that may not be correct.

 

[TeeCock]

One should truly hope that players are not taking transfer advice from a fans message board.

I think some on this web board should transfer.

 

[TeeCock]

This is a reasonable, thought out post, and I completely disagree with it.

If Doty transferred because of a lack of playing time, I'd understand, just like I'd understand if any other player left the team in search of playing time.

However, when you say "there's nothing special about a degree from our university" you undermine the whole point of college athletics. I got both of my degrees from USC, and I'm proud to be a Gamecock. I love the university, warts and all. It's a breath of fresh air to see players like Joyner or Doty stick it out because they want to be Gamecocks as well. It's not just about playing time - it's about loving your university and being part of something larger than yourself.

Sure, players leave all the time in search of better playing time situations, basically becoming free agents. But transferring to another school is like switching teams in professional sports. There's nothing special about it.

I got a BS and MBA from USC and I'm proud of these guys that love the university!

 

[Lakecock1]

It's 4 games they are allowed. I may be wrong but I believe Doty has played in 2. So if Rattler goes down in any of the remaining games, Doty can play 2 full games if needed - 3 regular season, 1 bowl. I feel certain that if Rattler stays healthy, Doty will see the field in the final 2 games.

Doty has played in 3 games - SC State, CLT, and UGa. He can only play in one more in order to preserve his RS.

 

[Section2Cock]

Doty has played in 3 games - SC State, CLT, and UGa. He can only play in one more in order to preserve his RS.

Thanks. Wasn't sure if it was 2 or 3.

 

[01Fatboy]

It's clear they're wasting his talent. Satterfield's dogged dedication to the underperforming Rattler is clear. It's reminiscent of the time the coaches at Marshall left Byron Leftwich in with a broken leg rather than putting in the backup. I mean, I don't see how Doty could be any worse. He's got more time in the offensive system. He'd have to throw 2 picks in every remaining game to throw more than Rattler. I hate it for the guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go somewhere else and do pretty well, like Brice at App State. I know they lost last night, but he's really had a good season overall. It would be one thing if we had an elite QB Doty was sitting behind, but it's not the case. He has shown real strength of character sticking it out and not complaining, but I think he's paid his dues. He could transfer out and I don't think he should feel any guilt about it if he does.

not that you could blame him, but why would you get on here and say that? im sure the players see this stuff, so unless you want him to leave, why was it necessary for you to get on this platform and say that? im just curious what people are thinking when they do this kind of stuff. or maybe they just arent thinking?

 

[cockyferg]

not that you could blame him, but why would you get on here and say that? im sure the players see this stuff, so unless you want him to leave, why was it necessary for you to get on this platform and say that? im just curious what people are thinking when they do this kind of stuff. or maybe they just arent thinking?

First, let me say, Oh boy! Another poster taking not-so-subtle personal attacks without using discernment to understand what I actually stated. I have several thoughts. Most of them were even pretty plainly stated, but I can repeat them for you. I'm merely stated, that if his dream were to play football at a major D1 University then he may not be able to realize that dream with the gamecocks. However, if he chooses to stick it out even without getting the playing time, I have a very high regard for him as a man of strong character. That being said, if he chose to transfer out because he actually wanted to play the game and not just watch the game on the sidelines, then I wouldn't blame him for transferring out. I doubt very seriously there are any players who are scouring this free message board with any concerns for what's said here. I clearly thought out and expressed my opinion. We can agree to disagree, but don't try to clumsily attack the poster instead of the post

 

[Rogue Cock]

not that you could blame him, but why would you get on here and say that? im sure the players see this stuff, so unless you want him to leave, why was it necessary for you to get on this platform and say that? im just curious what people are thinking when they do this kind of stuff. or maybe they just arent thinking?

Honestly have never seen a fans sports board where it is not discussed about their own players. This is not the only Gamecock board where those type of discussions and it happens quite often. Much ado about nothing IMO.

 

[Uscwill]

I was close to the field last week at the Vandy game and watched Doty the whole game with headsets on keeping up with everything going on. That's when I realized that he is red shirting this year. He was listening to all that was happening and learning some valuable information for next year. None of the other backup QB's had headsets.