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WestSideLion

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So there is no winning vs Boise State? I wonder if the coaches and the players think like this?
I need to wrap my head around this. You recruit well and develop that talent you recruit to the point you earn a spot in the tournament. 12 teams in and about 130 out. Then by demonstrating your talent and skill, someone in Las Vegas decides you are the favorite to win a game. If you don't, fat guys on their couch get to put a "knock" on you? Makes perfect sense to me.
I'll go with Allar's opinion on this.
The facts are that James has an abysmal record against teams with equal or better talent.

When the narrative here is “PSU got a perfect CFP draw with SMU and Boise St,” then that says it all.

If they win both, then terrific wins! But they won’t change the set in stone narrative that Franklin can’t beat top programs.
 

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The facts are that James has an abysmal record against teams with equal or better talent.

When the narrative here is “PSU got a perfect CFP draw with SMU and Boise St,” then that says it all.

If they win both, then terrific wins! But they won’t change the set in stone narrative that Franklin can’t beat top programs.
Easy fix. James needs to stop bringing top shelf talent here. 33 wins in the last 3 years and you have clowns complaining. We deserve better! Fortunately, no one who counts, no one who makes real decisions gives a **** about the "set in stone narrative." James is getting an extension and he'll be here to smile for years thinking about his critics while he checks his growing bank account.
 

WestSideLion

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Easy fix. James needs to stop bringing top shelf talent here. 33 wins in the last 3 years and you have clowns complaining. We deserve better! Fortunately, no one who counts, no one who makes real decisions gives a **** about the "set in stone narrative." James is getting an extension and he'll be here to smile for years thinking about his critics while he checks his growing bank account.
James needs to continue bringing in top talent (with a focus on WRs who develop) AND beat top programs more regularly. Win-win.
 

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James needs to continue bringing in top talent (with a focus on WRs who develop) AND beat top programs more regularly. Win-win.
You headed to the Fiesta? I think you are still in Cali, correct?
 

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James isn't playing, It is purely a fan perspective that losses are on the coach or the officials. You don't have to know anything about the game to come to that conclusion. That is why it's so prevalent.
Well, these are "His" players, his schemes, his adjustments or lack thereof etc.. there has to be some accountability at the end of the day. We all get you're a Big game fan and that's fine, I just call it as I see it as well. I think most of the world outside of Boise expect a convincing win New Years eve..
 
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Well, these are "His" players, his schemes, his adjustments or lack thereof etc.. there has to be some accountability at the end of the day. We all get you're a Big game fan and that's fine, I just call it as I see it as well. I think most of the world outside of Boise expect a convincing win New Years eve..
I expected a lot of things. Expectations are meaningless. As for accountability.....I suspect in every career, every job and every relationship there are those who matter. In this case, the individuals that Franklin is accountable to, rate him extremely high. Guys on a message board? Who cares?
 
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So there is no winning vs Boise State? I wonder if the coaches and the players think like this?
I need to wrap my head around this. You recruit well and develop that talent you recruit to the point you earn a spot in the tournament. 12 teams in and about 130 out. Then by demonstrating your talent and skill, someone in Las Vegas decides you are the favorite to win a game. If you don't, fat guys on their couch get to put a "knock" on you? Makes perfect sense to me.
I'll go with Allar's opinion on this.
The expectations shouldn't be vs Vegas. Winning every game where you're favored is still a signifcant achievement. Losing every game where you're the underdog is still a problem.

Beating Boise St. would be an achievement because they are a legitimate, tough football team regardless of conference, and there is a ton at stake.
 

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James isn't playing, It is purely a fan perspective that losses are on the coach or the officials. You don't have to know anything about the game to come to that conclusion. That is why it's so prevalent.
Well then he should get zero credit for winning then since he "isn't playing" I know in your world coached never make a mistake and should never be criticised if you nebver coached which is stupid - it's not like these giy's are brain surgens and then yeah I hve no groupnds crticise but coaching a football game sure as hell isn't on that level.
 
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Well then he should get zero credit for winning then since he "isn't playing" I know in your world coached never make a mistake and should never be criticised if you nebver coached which is stupid - it's not like these giy's are brain surgens and then yeah I hve no groupnds crticise but coaching a football game sure as hell isn't on that level.
You have no idea how complicated and difficult division one football is. Everyone makes mistakes. If you happen to be a division one football coach you have millions of experts who can help you identify and correct them. Brain "surgens" bury their mistakes.
As for zero credit for winning....that appears to be what Franklin gets from you.
 

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Fleming has got this!
He's a total mystery. I understand that some players don't live up to their rankings but Fleming was good enough to have 533 yds playing behind Harrison & Egbuka at OSU. The WR position was/is wide open at PSU but he's only been had 174 yds. Why the regression? Has he be hurt?
 

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Win the semifinal game and nobody will say that. But beating SMU and Boise St won’t get it done. The knock on Franklin is beating teams with equal or better talent. Neither is close to Penn State.
Beating Boise and getting to the final 4 would certainly help Franklin's reputation but it's going to take a lot to wipe 1-10 vs OSU from people's memories.
 
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So there is no winning vs Boise State? I wonder if the coaches and the players think like this?
I need to wrap my head around this. You recruit well and develop that talent you recruit to the point you earn a spot in the tournament. 12 teams in and about 130 out. Then by demonstrating your talent and skill, someone in Las Vegas decides you are the favorite to win a game. If you don't, fat guys on their couch get to put a "knock" on you? Makes perfect sense to me.
I'll go with Allar's opinion on this.
Fat guys on their couch are the customers who pay for everything. They have a right to complain even if they're wrong with their assessment.
 

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You have no idea how complicated and difficult division one football is. Everyone makes mistakes. If you happen to be a division one football coach you have millions of experts who can help you identify and correct them. Brain "surgens" bury their mistakes.
As for zero credit for winning....that appears to be what Franklin gets from you.
Neither do you.
 

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If you have to ask, you’re probably right. Yeah, still applies.

I checked Wikipedia. SMU was #2 when they tied Arkansas, got bumped to 4th. Draw your own conclusions.
Right, but they still would have played Pitt in the cotton
 
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Right, but they still would have played Pitt in the cotton
Yes, my original statement that SMU would have played Georgia in the Sugar was a bad read by me. Fixed in my original response.

Pitt was the preseason #1 that year, apropos of nothing. First 48-14 and the next year PSU wins the NC, wow, that’s a nice body slam.
 
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Favorite or not...losing any game is the fault of James franklin. - chapter1 verse1 the BWICAC Bible.
So favorite or not…..losing any game is never the fault of James Franklin, right?

And I think he has done a great job this year, maybe his best coaching season at Psu. But you are insufferable with the “it’s never the coaches fault” when everyone, including you, knows that sometimes it is.
 

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The draw for the playoffs is the best break Penn State football has received -probably ever.

In an era of football where WRs are probably the second most important position on the field and PSUs are (hate to say it) poor.

But here we are - a heavy favorite to make the Final 4 and a possibility to play a Georgia team without their starting QB.

Would be grand if we could tap the portal for WRs during playoffs!


If we want to be TOTALLY honest then we dont know the best draw until AFTER the games are played. It is like a schedule at the beginning of the season.
 

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Neither do you.
The difference between me and the negative fanboys here is that I have an abiding respect for how difficult it is. I know that gameday is a small part of the job. Football is probably less than half the job. I do think having coached gives me some insight into the process at that level. When someone makes a foolish comment like it's not brain surgery, it exposes ignorance.
 

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So favorite or not…..losing any game is never the fault of James Franklin, right?

And I think he has done a great job this year, maybe his best coaching season at Psu. But you are insufferable with the “it’s never the coaches fault” when everyone, including you, knows that sometimes it is.
Correct. Fans with their limited insight over simplify things. Rarely if ever is a game decided by a coaching decision. 65 plays on offense 65 plays on defense and 20 plays on special teams. Probably 50 players on each squad competing...but some yahoo from the peanut gallery says "this loss is 100 % on the coach. It's precious.
 
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The difference between me and the negative fanboys here is that I have an abiding respect for how difficult it is. I know that gameday is a small part of the job. Football is probably less than half the job. I do think having coached gives me some insight into the process at that level. When someone makes a foolish comment like it's not brain surgery, it exposes ignorance.
Do you think you are the only coach on this board? Or no one else has positions with high levels of complexity?

Get real dude and give it a rest.
 

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Then why do teams fire and hire new coaches?
Good question. There are legitimate reasons to change leadership.
1.poor overall management and organization
2. Lack of discipline within the program
3. Questionable character
4. Any action that paints your employer...the university in bad light
5. Unable to consistently field a competitive team.
#6 Boosters and bonehead administrators who think we deserve better
Now I ask you. How often is changing coaches successful in Turning a program around?
For every new regime that turns things around there is one that's a flop.
But regardless, it's stupid to discuss in this situation. Franklin isn’t getting fired. He's getting a raise and an extension.
33 wins in 3 years. He's not the problem.
The problem is the fanboys with Franklin Derangement Syndrome.
 

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So favorite or not…..losing any game is never the fault of James Franklin, right?

And I think he has done a great job this year, maybe his best coaching season at Psu. But you are insufferable with the “it’s never the coaches fault” when everyone, including you, knows that sometimes it is.
Almost never the coaches fault. Same as saying one play won or lost the game. The game is determined by the guys on the field.
 

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Do you think you are the only coach on this board? Or no one else has positions with high levels of complexity?

Get real dude and give it a rest.
I know there are others who have coached. Having a job with some level of complexity doesn't make you a college football analyst.
I know what a bridge looks like.
If you took that bridge apart and told me to put it together...I'd advise you not to drive over that bridge. I have respect for the knowledge, skill and expertise of the engineers that accomplish this sort of work.
Yet I see posters who have no more idea about what it takes to build a football program than I do about constructing a bride criticize a man who has won 33 games in the last 3 years and has his team in the Elite 8. It's precious.
 
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Well then he should get zero credit for winning then since he "isn't playing" I know in your world coached never make a mistake and should never be criticised if you nebver coached which is stupid - it's not like these giy's are brain surgens and then yeah I hve no groupnds crticise but coaching a football game sure as hell isn't on that level.

I guess it isn’t James’ fault the the players decided to go for in on a 4th and 1 at their own 19.
 

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I guess it isn’t James’ fault the the players decided to go for in on a 4th and 1 at their own 19.
Wouldn't have had the chance if not for the fake punt at Minny....great seats uh buddy?
In coaching as they say, it depends on who has the chalk last. Only the peanut gallery gets every call right.
 
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I guess it isn’t James’ fault the the players decided to go for in on a 4th and 1 at their own 19.
The PSU fanboy Franklin Derangement Syndrome has reached a new level. We can now trash the coach even after WINNING a playoff game. WE DESERVE BETTER