UVA and VT got into the ACC together because of the legislature. Not sure if politics are the same in Va but that may be a consideration for their next conference.
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If the big teams leave the acc, there is no downside to the big 12
I remember that....they liked the ACCs academics more. Not sure why the ACC never used that to establish an academic alliance similar to the B1G,,,,they missed an opportunity IMO.
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UVA was already in the ACC. When the Big East collapsed, the legislature sorta forced UVA to push for VaTech's membership in the ACC because there was nowhere else to go at the time. If they both have comfortable landing spots, I don't think it will be any kind of issue.
Correct. While not a charter member of the ACC, the 7 schools that founded the league (including USC) felt that an 8th member would be beneficial to the league, e.g., an even number for the basketball tournament. And thus, UVA was invited and joined the ACC 9 months after its founding.
A lot more. At or over a billion annually distributed to member schools.
The University of Chicago, a charter B1G member who dropped to D-III (or the equivalent) right after WWII, has maintained membership in the academic consortium throughout the decades. I think they left it a couple of years ago.
Corporations, military, etc.... Same as any research at other schools. This simply allows for several schools to do research on the same thing. Cancer research is a huge one done by around 10-12 different schools....I think that is what lured Maryland, which has a big cancer research program.
Doing a little research I find it's the FEDs, too.
Of course....they do a lot of research funding as do foreign governments (I would guess a lot more rules involved with that).
My guess is that you might need to add Wake Forest to the BIG to make an even number 6. WF is a VERY good academic school located in a large city.
It would probably be GaTech since you have to be a member of the AAU to get an invite. The University of Miami just became an AAU member last week.
Then it could turn out the way you have it listed. The SEC would get FSU, clemson and into the states of NC and VA, making the SEC a true southern conference.
With a 20 school conference, do you divide into 2-10 school divisions or go with one 20-school set up?
I would think a 9-game conference schedule with 4 divisions of 5 schools each...and then playing remaining 4 games against teams from the other divisions rotating them annually. It would be cumbersome, but it could work.
I think you are ascribing to them a nobility they do not deserve.
Basically re-creating the SoCon as it existed until the SEC founding in 1933.
How is this a risk ? B12 have 4 new teams in its league this year. B12 is not done with expansion at this time with either full time members and/or part time members.
The risk is not to have a landing spot.
And they could pick up Arizona, ASU, Stanford Cal, Colorado and/or Utah. In fact I think Arizona and Colorado have already announced their intent to join. That's not a bad conference at all.
I distinctly remember: the academic and administrative suits talked some about academics. But everyone knew what it was really about: it was about Bobby. Bobby knew he wouldn't run through the SEC the way he wound up running through the ACC for about 10 years.
At first Bobby said SEC. It was his coming down on the side of the ACC that turned the tide down there. Notice the fear of being a stepchild in the SEC. https://www.nolefan.org/summary/fsu_acc.html
I'm not reading much about academics in there. I see the ACC's academic reputation mentioned once in this piece, and it's almost an afterthought. They wanted to come in as football kings, and they achieved that for a long time, something that would not have been likely in the SEC.
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I mentioned this on 5/30 on the Expansion Thread.
Colorado and Arizona haven't formally announced but 2 outlets reporting as done deal
(BTW: BiG12 may be on verge of adding 2 part time programs. Stay tuned)
Who are they adding? SMU, UCF, UCONN and who else. That league without UT and OU is the ACC. It’s tit for tat. That’s a lot of risk to make the same money or less.
That I did not know....but I doubt it changes their mind about being independent for the time being.
So we all agree the ACC is a joke football conference. So now we’re thinking 1/2 the conference is valuable enough to be picked up by the 2 top conferences in the country. Doesn’t foot for me. If they were that valuable we wouldn’t be talking about this. These are programs that are dragging Clem and FSU down. I’m not buying it. Not logical.
B12 is in desperate need of big programs. Getting leftovers from the P12 that weren’t valuable enough to get a tv deal ain’t gonna cut it. Going to be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Its not logical only if you consider football. For some conferences and schools this will be as much about academics and expanding territory. I know the SEC wants to stay regional, but other conferences do not.
Also who is a "hot" brand today may not be 10-15 years from now and someone else will be on the top of the football hill.
If Amiridis voted to allow a school in that reduced our payout bc of academics I’d be upset….or on the hope that in 15 years they’ll be good.
Arizona St. is another new member. I point that out because they are P5 and might be looking for a move. Might make a difference in what happens.
And, if they ever go to P5 level, USF became a member. Go Bulls I guess.
I must say I was unaware of their academic attainments, and they are largely a commuter school.Arizona St. is another new member. I point that out because they are P5 and might be looking for a move. Might make a difference in what happens.
And, if they ever go to P5 level, USF became a member. Go Bulls I guess.
And that is a huge consideration that will outweigh any athletic revenue.
As well it should.