Right. And I would guess that amount will only increase with the addition of some top new research universities.
Inside the infamous GOR
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Big teams, yes. I'm just saying if Clem/FSU/Miami are the only ones attractive to the B10/SEC, the rest of that conference isn't going to generate more than what they're currently getting by going to the B12. There's no way they'd agree to that.
EDIT: IF there's going to be a change in 3 years, I actually think it's going to be the ACC picking off B12/P12 teams. That will allow them to go back to the well with ESPN. There are some good options there that would be better than 1/2 of the current ACC. There will be 7 years left on the GOR, and I think that would be short enough for new schools to sign up for, knowing they'll have a say on the next one. Now, it would be a mega conference. The ACC shot themselves in the foot with Cuse/Pitt/LOU on the most recent expansion. That's 3 spots that could go to better options.
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Explain this to me. The B10 is an athletic conference. I know they would prefer to have AAU schools only in their conference. And being a part of AAU is lucrative to the schools. How is that financially wrapped up in the B10? I always viewed those as two separate scenarios. The fact that they're AAU schools has no impact on the TV revenue they're able to get with the B10, right?
My take on this is that these schools still prioritize academics for the most part.
The B1G is as much or more an academic conference as an athletic one. The BTAA (formerly the CIC) was founded in the mid- to late 1950s to receive and share research funds to its member schools in a cooperative manner. The cancer reseatch alone is huge and involves 10-12 universities. The BTAA distributes at or over $1B per year to member schools for research projects....and with additional AAU member universities that amount is likely to increase. The Presidents and the BOT of those schools and all other universities will make the decision on which conference to join, not the athletic departments.
UNC and UVA are very attractive to the B1G (and if the ACC dissolves will probably be the first to leave along with Miami)....as probably is Duke.
That the University of Chicago stayed with the CIC for decades after leaving the B1G (Michigan State "took their place" in 1949) and dropping down to D-III is indicative of the academic relationships among the schools.
Any idea what the deal is with CIC/BTAA and why U of Chicago appears to no longer be involved?
Sure, go ahead.
I hope the ACC has some plans in place to remain intact and come out stronger in 2037. We'll all be much better for it. Maybe use the next decade to create an academic consortium of their own. The SEC would do well to try this too.
From what I read at the time they renamed the consortium, current member schools of the B1Gs athletic counterpart became the only ones who could hold membership in the BTAA, but reportedly their is a separate affiliation agreement that continues the University of Chicago's involvement in the consortium (although technically they are not a member).
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Gotcha. Didn't know that about the research $ distributions. Guess that's what made Rutgers and Maryland attractive.
I get your last point, with is one of my main points that nothing will happen with the ACC. For the majority of the conference, there's a huge amount of $$ at risk in blowing it up.
Definitely regarding Rutgers and Maryland. Don't know what type of research Rutgers is involved with but I understand Maryland is pretty big into cancer research.
Interesting thing is no one in the general population has seen the GOR and no one involved is commenting on it. Never seen this before.
To throw more wrenches into the GOR issue there are a few things I've wondered about. I've drafted Non-Comps for small businesses before and one general rule is that you cannot make them too restrictive or so restrictive that it prevents them from earning a living in their chosen avocation. Whether that could be in effect in the GOR, I have no idea. Also is the freedoms of movement and affiliation/association impacted by the GOR. Those would be very expensive legal issues that wouldd have to be determined probably by a pretty high court.
Same on the GOR. Everyone is out here opining on it, with no actual knowledge of it. It's all hearsay at this point.
I'm not so sure it would be a non comp. I have seen partnership agreements that state that if there's a legal challenge between partners nobody can operate until there is a legal remedy. I'm not an attorney though. But good agreements typically have some sort of reaction to each action. So, if 8 teams can get together and dissolve the conference, there's something in there somewhere else that makes it very difficult to do that. There has to be. Maybe it's similar to what the B12 had, where if members are found to be trying to opt out of the deal their voting rights are revoked. That would make it damn near impossible to get 8 votes to dissolve.
Agree its not a Non-Comp but just wondering out loud if similar principles and limitations on the terms would apply. As I mentioned it would be a huge and expensive lawsuit to settle.
I would love to see South Carolina work towards becoming an AAU school.
That was the aim of Dr. Palms. IIRC there was an article in the P&C or The State regarding some of the issues he ran into. Again IIRC some were the amount of research materials/volumes in our library, the number of endowed chairs, and the one big hurdle state support for higher education.
Don't know what has happened since then.
If there is a do not compete, would the change in do not competes affect it? Meaning what was just passed in the funding bill.