Interesting situation for Saquon.

Ludd

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Chiefs won the 2023 SB with late 7th round pick Pacheco whose contract is 4 years for 3.7 million so probably not. Clyde Edwards-Helaire, their 2020 first round RB pick didn't make the roster for the SB. The Bills and Phins should draft RB. Word is the Titans may be looking to trade Henry. Where does he go?
Any of the three I just mentioned…he’s light years better than Pacheco. Barkley would take a lot of pressure off Mahomes and make continuing to win easier. The Bills and Dolphins wouldn’t have to draft a RB if they had Barkley. The key to this is what I put in my post and that is Barkley should sign for less money, but more sustained success and a shot at a SB.
 
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I think the fan with an above average IQ knows how this all likely plays out. Jones is a gritty QB but is nowhere near good enough to carry a franchise. And even three years at $47 million per is a bad outcome from this.

The Giants continue to fall victim to over valuing their own players and locking them up at premium prices. They are going to trot back essentially the same team that played over their heads last year and it won’t be enough to really contend barring some amazing draft hits.

The cycle likely continues.
They’ll be lucky to win 7 games next year. They caught a pretty good break this year with their schedule, a lot of teams weren’t prepared for all the running Jones did, and they only won two of their last eight regular season games. They were reverting back to their mean in the second half of the season.
 

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on Daniel Jones from profootball talk..

That said, it’s basically a three-year, $112.5 million contract, given that the $47.5 million due in 2026 is not guaranteed. That’s an average of $37.5 million.

The Giants also could escape the deal after two years, with $82 million paid and $12 million in 2025 guarantees that would be subject to offset. Still, that’s a worst-case scenario of $94 million over two years for the Giants — and average of $47 million per year.
So the contract is basically $82 mil for two years to find out if he's the one. That's not top tier money and after next year will be middle of the pack, which is what he is. How many Superbowls have the Giants won with middle of the pack QBs?
 
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Verified? No, Daniel Jones hasn't called me to confirm the number. But, I've read $45mm and I've read $48mm. I've also read that the Giants and his agents, AthletesFirst, have narrowed the gap, whatever that means. So the Giants overpay Jones nd they have no money for WRs, of which they have none. Daboll is a good coach, but he can't dink and dunk forever.

The Giants Could have signed Carr for less .....
 

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Love Saquon… but if I’m an NFL GM, I’d never give a 26 year old RB a long term contract. I’d franchise tag him this year and draft his replacement this year. Giants need to upgrade the O-line and that’s where they should spend their money after signing Jones. BTW Jones isn’t worth $40/45 MM either.
 
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Sluggo: Sanders ran behind the best OL in the NFL last season. Barkley? He ran behind, well, let’s just say it wasn’t a very good OL.
if you follow what you are saying, the Giants would be better served putting money into the OL than RB's as I suggested.
 

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Not in Saquon's class?
one had 259 carries, for 1269 yds 11 TD 4.9 ypc
other 295 carries for 1312 yds 10 tds 4.4 ypc
the first is Miles the other is SB. You are correct Sanders is a fumbler compared to SB, in 2022 MS had 2 fumbles on runs while SB had 1, twice as many.
so as you can see MS is clearly not in SB class, lol.
the only way SB gets on a better team is to get better players. One way to get better players is with more money. Putting $10 Million in a RB is not the way to get better players, especially if you can get the substainally the same for half to quarter of the money.
We will agree to disagree.
 

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So, where does that put him professionally? (Not an NFL fan, so I don't really know).

In this situation:

If a player gets to July 15 without an extension, he has to sign the franchise tag in order to play and get paid. At that point, the only other option is to refuse to sign the tag, which isn’t unprecedented. But it means the player gets no money until he does sign.

Players can hold out if they want. But they’d be subject to hefty fines, depending on how long they are absent from camp. And despite the NFL franchise tag being “guaranteed,” you still need to play in order to get paid. Week 10 is the deadline for players to sign the tag in order to play and collect game checks.
 

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In this situation:

If a player gets to July 15 without an extension, he has to sign the franchise tag in order to play and get paid. At that point, the only other option is to refuse to sign the tag, which isn’t unprecedented. But it means the player gets no money until he does sign.

Players can hold out if they want. But they’d be subject to hefty fines, depending on how long they are absent from camp. And despite the NFL franchise tag being “guaranteed,” you still need to play in order to get paid. Week 10 is the deadline for players to sign the tag in order to play and collect game checks.
he can wait to week 10 all he wants, but NFL running backs arent getting 'paid' any more. IMO the Giants should pay him about what MS got from the Panthers. Which is less then the current franchise tag amount. It seems for RB's right now, the best deal out there is the tag amount, around $10 mil for the year

The other issue right now for him is, that if he gets hurt working out, he is owed nothing by the Giants. Hope he has good insurance.
 

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You make a very good point. The QB play in the NFL, outside of about 4 or 5, is pretty bad.
Don’t agree with that at all. QB play is pretty solid - never better - with several high end choices along with ~ 8-10 elite performers.
 
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on Aaron Joes who was to make $16 mil this yr as a RB for the Packers....
“It just made sense, deal-wise. The market for running backs, there was a huge gap between $16 million and Christian McCaffrey who’s at 12,” Jones told reporters. “It still has me as second-highest paid for backs, so it matches up with the market.”

NFL teams are increasingly concluding that running backs just aren’t worth a lot of money, and that limited salary cap space is better spent on other positions. Jones looked at that market and decided it was better to take a pay cut to stay with the Packers than to get cut and test that weak market.

SB may conclude that tag money at $10 mil looks pretty sweet, fully guarneteed at signing

in theory the Giants could remove the tag at any time, SB would become a F/A so who would bust the bank for a RB? as I said, that $10 mil might look pretty sweet
 

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No one in the current NFL is paying big $$ to a RB. Cheaper to draft one and keep replacing them. QB’s, WR, CB’s & DE’s are the big $$$ positions in the NFL.
 

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No one in the current NFL is paying big $$ to a RB. Cheaper to draft one and keep replacing them. QB’s, WR, CB’s & DE’s are the big $$$ positions in the NFL.
You're not wrong. But, could you imagine the Bills with him in the offense?
 
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You're not wrong. But, could you imagine the Bills with him in the offense?
I have, but it’s not gonna happen. Bills have dipped into the cheap FA poll quite a bit, now time to get some offense in the draft. Bills may take the TE from Georgia if there at 27 or the LB, Campbell, from Iowa. Outside of Diggs, stats show the Bills really need another WR weapon.
 

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So the contract is basically $82 mil for two years to find out if he's the one. That's not top tier money and after next year will be middle of the pack, which is what he is. How many Superbowls have the Giants won with middle of the pack QBs?
They won one with a middle of the pack QB who could run a bit. Beat Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas as underdogs.
 
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With mostly nonguaranteed contracts NFL is a what have you done lately league. If Saquon were to not sign the deal until later in training camp and it hurt his 2023 season's productivity, I would think his 2024 deal-with the Giants or another team_-would not be as good. Hope he gets this issue resolved so he can be a full participant in summer training camp. I am sure he works hard and keeps in shape. As most every one has pointed out NFL sees RBs as much more replaceable than QBs, LTs, DEs, and top CBs.
 
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