He’s a better coach. Are you actually saying you can’t win at PSU? How did Joe do it? You certainly can win at PSU, it’s a historically great program.
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I am sorry but the elite coach in your story has far superior players. Eventually talent wins out.
and then they lost.
talent wins. That is why people are buying players.
Just for kicks, JF is 75-36 at PSU. Crazy as it may seem, Joe’s last 9 seasons he was the same 75-36. Maybe times have changed and you can no longer win at Penn State?
Is this the year to judge their NIL buys or year 2 and 3 with that recruiting class?
That's if they make it that long though.
We are in the dynasty era. We aren't the dynasty.
Predicting the next hot coach is tough. Would anybody have been receptive of hiring Josh Heupal after '20? He's got UT rolling.
Who's the next one? Deion Sanders? Your guess is as good as mine.
LOL. They may not make it. But look at LSU - they usually average a top ten class but didn’t get it done until the stars aligned with Burrow.
Joe was on the decline, but he still won 2 Big Ten championships in that period. You would have said the same about Tennessee until they got a coach who got it done. There’s other examples of historically great programs that rise again. Oklahoma had a down period, so did LSU and USC. It happens in college basketball too. PSU has the raw materials to make it back with the right coach.
Dabo benched his #1 last week and won! Unproven freshman too!
Do they have the luxury of fresh blood injecting life into a program (replacing coaches that don't win to their liking) because of a fertile recruiting territory?
Or...
Is it just ballsy, spend and go money, compete at all costs?
We're in a tough spot right now historically. I am not at all convinced the university leadership, athletic program, NIL donors and football team are on the same page about what they need to do to compete on the national level - year in and out. We aren't doing a fraction of what some of these football factories are doing to be successful and not sure we ever will because we simply won't put all of our chips in to get there
Better analogy, IMHO, is Mack Brown, but who cares about analogies?
Hope they bounce back next week. This one is over.
Leaving NIL aide (because we have virtually no information on how PSU is doing in that area), what has Franklin asked for that he's not getting?
I think there are things "unsaid" going on at a lot of these places like Bama, UGA, o$u... etc that the university just isn't willing to do or overlook
No way to know.....but swapping coaches also changes scheme, training, and all intangibles. Interesting discussion....wonder if the IT guys could program such a simulation? I do believe Day may use a more physical training....where CJF is more finesse.
All programs have their peaks and valleys. Even Alabama had some crappy seasons in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
Tennessee kept trying until they got Heupel. Maybe he won’t be the answer, but Tennessee will keep trying because they want to win.
It wasn't only Harrison. The middle of the field was open all day. The TE Stover had multiple catches and a TD. If OSU exploited that more, the game wouldn't have been close.
Correct. OSU didn't unleash Stover until the 4th quarter. They made the necessary adjustments.
They have a built in recruiting advantage. Maybe the best in the country. I think I read once that per capita, Louisiana has more NFL players than any other state.
We should have gotten Allar time in every game this year. Did we learn nothing from the Iowa debacle of 2021???
These franklin fan boys blame vet blame the coaching. Should have kicked it on first drive of the game. Franklin also made the decision to bring Clifford back.
that is why App State lost to Texas AM earlier this yea, they had less talent.
He’s responsible for continuing to start a 6th year no-better-than-average QB who has poor throwing mechanics and makes poor decisions.
I believe he converted a couple of first downs in the first half as well over the middle.
Recruiting rankings do not explain why coach Franklin is only 3-5 against Michigan State during his tenure at Penn State. I don’t remember MSU being a recruiting powerhouse. There must be other factors involved to explain the PSU underperformance against programs like Michigan State, Michigan, and Ohio State.
I'd be inclined to agree except we moved foreward and seemingly had all the MO in the world when #13 said FU OSU, I'm scoring. We should have won... but they have more 5 star guys ready to go than we do. It showed.
This thread has been fun... sorta. I watched until we took the lead at 21-16 and expected a barn burner. By the time i arrived at my destination we were defrocked and huge losers.
So I'll hold my breath and watch the carnage and try not to put my foot thru the TV. To osu's credit, their 5 star game-makers showed up and knocked us silly when the game was on the line. Ours didn't.
Until 21-16 i think we played a helluva game and showed creativity and courage and toughness. I was pleased for the most part with the sets, the plays called, the effort. For the most part we weren't overly predictable.
Now I'm going to watch all of that go straight to hell. osu simply has more horses... no matter how hard we try to compete with them, they simply have more 5's and 4's than we do. They will be in for a rude awakening when um grabs them by the jersey and starts yanking their butts around. Their gameplan that day better include stopping the run early, not late. And they better attack sraight away... not wait til the 4th.
Sad ending... i really thought we had a great chance to finsih and osu made it clear that was never going to happen. Kudos to Day for unleasing hell on us. Not sure why he played it so straight and vanilla for 3 qtrs... but once it was open to lose... or win... Day said, WIN... and they kicked our asses.
So I'll hold my breath and watch the carnage and try not to put my foot thru the TV. To osu's credit, their 5 star game-makers showed up and knocked us silly when the game was on the line. Ours didn't.
Until 21-16 i think we played a helluva game and showed creativity and courage and toughness. I was pleased for the most part with the sets, the plays called, the effort. For the most part we weren't overly predictable.
Now I'm going to watch all of that go straight to hell. osu simply has more horses... no matter how hard we try to compete with them, they simply have more 5's and 4's than we do. They will be in for a rude awakening when um grabs them by the jersey and starts yanking their butts around. Their gameplan that day better include stopping the run early, not late. And they better attack sraight away... not wait til the 4th.
Sad ending... i really thought we had a great chance to finsih and osu made it clear that was never going to happen. Kudos to Day for unleasing hell on us. Not sure why he played it so straight and vanilla for 3 qtrs... but once it was open to lose... or win... Day said, WIN... and they kicked our asses.
We are slowly but surely falling further behind.
Quite sad to watch…need to try something new.
While I do not always agree with his playcalling and game management- I like James Franklin. I'm not going to scream the sky is falling! I'll stick to what I have believed for some time. I'll allow this season to play itself out then, I'll give him Allar's tenure at QB and see how that unfolds. If he does not beat Michigan or Ohio State with Allar at the helm I will reluctantly say okay it has been twelve seasons... Let's look in a different direction. Right now, in terms of head football coaches-I do not see anyone out there who I can honestly have confidence in as being "THE ONE" to come in and right the ship to elitism. Rhule? Nah... Clawson? Nope... Fickell? Decent but not incredible... The only head coach available who really tantalizes me is "The Devil" (UM) and good God-fearing boy that I am- I would never sell my soul to the "The Devil."
You can't confuse morons with facts. Fan boys blame the following for losses:
1. coach
2. QB
3. Officials
It's what they do. They see and know everything right there on their family room couches
Franklin reminds be a lot of NFL coach Rex Ryan. Terrible in-game managers. Both are great cheerleaders but really need another coach standing by their side to remind them when they are making a mistake.
Don't see us coming close to even with OSU, Mich, at MSU under Franklin at this point. He's been given enough time.
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