Has anyone mentioned Luke Fickell as one who could get us past the big 2?
It was QUITE!! obvious
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I don't know, personally I'm ashamed of losing to them every GD year and blowing fourth quarter leads in many of those losses as of late. Nothing of which to be particularly proud. As long as it is viewed as acceptable, this is what we'll see year after year, after year.
he seems like a decent guy, but his antics with his contract grind me. Constantly acting like he is going to jump ship to get a better deal. I guess one can’t fault him, the fault lies with Sandy for not calling his bluff and telling him to shut up and coach. We paid $10k dealer markup for a Camry.
Yes.. The dealer markup for the Camry is a terrific analogy!
UGA relized recruiting is everything in CFB. Collect the best players either by paying them or promises they can't keep doesn't matter. They got the Jimmy's and Joe's now and are just reloading. I don't think PSU can do that. I think JF is a good recruiter and knows what it takes but we have limitations. He's only won one game against a better roster since he's been here and it took blocked punt to do it. If we can't develop the players were getting we will have a difficult time competing with the top programs for the best players on a consistent basis.
we've always lost local players to OSU/Michigan and ND but now it's Ole Miss, Clemson, UGA, Alabama, S.Carolina and Texas.
James shift to Florida recruiting might be a realization we can't compete with the top programs in our own back yard.
It sucks but welcome to the new landscape of CFB. Kids can go anywhere why stay here.
Every win he has vs Michigan is probably a win vs a better roster. Probably Sparty as well until '20. Might be a few more, but it would be nitpicking.
Fickell has beaten 1 ranked p5 opponent (Notre Dame) in his entire career. I'd think its more likely he's Scott Frost 2.0.
Spot on!! I’ve been saying this for a very long time. Winning starts with the (1) University President, (2) BOG, (3) Donors (4) AD, (5) Coach and finally (6) recruits. Nothing, absolutely nothing changes unless the people at the very top are buying into winning a National Championship. This mindset/ideology has given the SEC conference a major advantage over every other conference.
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Personally ashamed?? I can see disappointed, but personally ashamed? You may need other hobbies besides football.
Fan boys think coaches are infallible and should not have accountability. Comes from living in the world of academia and participation trophies.
Regarding the participation trophy comment ... that's just complete and utter nonsense. A notion pushed by "back in my day" wannabe tough guys who think, as every generation before it, that their generation was better. Tougher. Smarter.
Back in the day, when organized sports didn't start until you were maybe 8 or 9 years old, everyone still got a "participation trophy" ... it was called ice cream. And you didn't even just get it at the end of the year ... but after every game. But now we're so hyper-competitive and hyper-structured, that we have kids playing "organized" sports at age 4. Those kids don't know **** about competition, or actually care about winning and losing. So they get a friggin trophy at the end of the year. Whoopty-friggin-doo.
Back in the day, when you were 8 or 9 ... and up through your early teens ... you played a sport for a few months, and when it was over, you moved on to the next sport, and didn't think about that other sport until the next year rolled around ... outside of just playing in your backyard with friends. Today, those 8-9 year old kids who used to get their participation ice cream ... they've got personal trainers. Private instructors. They're in travel leagues playing that sport year round. By the time you're 12, if you aren't training in the offseason for your sport, and doing most/all the things I mentioned, you get left way behind. And there's so much pressure to specialize, just because there isn't enough time to play all the sports you want to play, as we used to. By 13, your high school hoops coach already has a feel for the players he's going to take up through his program, and he's pressuring you to play AAU hoops (often for him, or a program with which he's affiliated in some way) in the fall, and spring ... and extra leagues in the summer. Otherwise, you fall off the hoops radar (so most kids start all that earlier, so they get on the radar and develop faster). Football? If you're any good, start looking for those 7v7 leagues (multiple seasons) by the time you're 11 or 12 ... and now they're pushing offseason "elite" tackle football because CTE is a fabulous thing, apparently. Better be working with a trainer by then. Working with the "academies" and the QB/WR/etc gurus. And, so on. Hockey, baseball, soccer, etc. ... All the same.
Youth sports today is FAR more competitive and cutthroat, and at a much earlier age, than it used to be back before 4-year olds were getting participation trophies. These kids have it a lot tougher than we did.
Most of the good high school athletes where I live play multiple sports. PSU football recruits played multiple sports. One of our ‘23 OL recruits is VA state heavyweight wrestling champ. There are also track and field champions, basketball players and baseball players on the PSU football team. There’s still the same number of slots available on high school teams and they go to the best players. Personal trainers, multiple seasons to try to get better … that’s an advantage that older generations didn’t have. The best players rise to the top, unless the coach plays politics or favorites. The participation award generation exists. They never learned to deal with losing.
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Thank you for that…call Doubleday, maybe they will publish your novella ode’ to youth.
In the meantime, how does that explain Penn State’s continuing mediocrity?
not sure what game you saw, but what was obvious was that the game turned on a couple of plays midway through the fourth quarter- and not what you seem to think you saw at all
Coaches are not infallible.
Coaches make mistakes
Players make mistakes
Officials make mistakes
Its called competitive sport.
Only fans never err.
But that was MY point. They have those advantages on us every year and its shameful we lose to them every year. Now.....We can be complacent with that or we do something about it. For me, I'm tired of the status quo. I don't want us to be viewed like Georgia Tech when they play Georgia.......or like Rutgers when they play us. I want us to be on equal footing with the Ohio States and Georgias
Bingo! So instead of criticizing the methodology of the SEC schools you examine how they do it or you stop complaining about not winning championships and beating Ohio State.
While I don’t think our staff made any major gaffes and in general coached s good game as evidenced by the first 61 minutes, I will say Day’s TO at the critical 4th down was brilliant. We got it anyway but that was good coaching. Also, there 2nd half adjustments or maybe 4th W adjustments to utilize the middle were key another example of good coaching. It took me back to C-Bus 2017 when we had the 4th Q lead. And they ran crossing routed down the field twice and we had no answers. I realize they had a different head coach and we had a different D coordinator but the results were eerily similar … and haunting on this Halloween weekend.
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I think we were watching the same game unfortunately I think you’re forgetting the turnovers that turned into 21 points those turnovers did not all happen in the 4th quarter. And the inability to stop the passing game to the center of the field through the fourth quarter. If you eliminated 21 points scored off of turnovers it’s a totally different game
Where did I say kids don't play multiple sports? I said there's a ton of pressure to specialize. Regardless, back in the day, the jocks all mostly played 3 sports through high school ... now there's a crap-ton of kids who are down to 2 sports only by frosh year ... and some down to 1.
And, no, personal trainers and multiple seasons aren't an advantage when everyone's doing it, and it's the bare minimum to succeed. Sure, they're more skilled than previous generations (which is no doubt true), but they aren't playing against previous generations - they're playing against each other.
And, no, that participation trophy generation doesn't exist. But what does exist is out of touch "back in my day everything was better" farts, and people who like to make money off those farts by perpetuating that myth and getting the farts to like what they're saying.
Ask yourself that question ... you're the one who brought up participation trophies. Speaking of which, you "earned" a participation trophy for your weak attempt at a post.
Nobody lost this game, tOSU won it. Their DE took over. It's that simple. He made some bonkers plays.
Wow, you better reread what you wrote. You certainly said that todays kids have it harder. You said that in order to succeed, you have to specialize in 1 sport or be left behind. I said that the best in high school seem to play more than one sport and I gave examples. They aren’t all specializing. You agree with me.
All of the trainers and specialization won’t make a kid into a champ if he’s not capable. But it sure does breed a ton of arrogant kids who think they’re better than they are. The kids who are great athletes are usually humble. The fake wannabes are nasty, and they learn it at home from wannabe parents. The joke is that they never get anywhere.
Trainers and multiple seasons are an advantage that prior generations didn’t have. It’s also an advantage over those that can’t afford it or don’t have the parental support. Those that have the financial and parental support will benefit. Some kids that have more ability will not succeed for lack of support, but some break through and it’s great to see.
And yes, the participation trophy generation does exist. So do the average kids who think they’re great because their parents push them in sports. It will only succeed in making the average athlete an egomaniac that’s going to be a problem for everyone around them for the rest of their lives. Seen it at sports events, seen it at the workplace.
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Except I didn't say that at all. I said there's so much pressure to specialize. Scooby, I'm living through it. I'm seeing all the athletes and what they're doing. My kids are smack dab in the middle of the mess. And I don't know what you're rambling on about in the latter half of this comment. Where did that come into the conversation?!? You just seem like an old man yelling at clouds.
OSU has a lot more talent. PSU had a good game plan both on offense and defense. Talent took over at the end of the game. Clifford is a decedent, streaky QB but he is not elite. If we had the Heisman favorite at QB, we would have won the game. Outside of going for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal and the stupid time out at the end of the first half (which they got lucky and it turned out to be harmless, I think Franklin and his staff kept the team in the game against a team which has superior talent to all other programs not named Alabama and Georgia.
Semantics. You said you have to specialize or risk being left behind. I said great athletes play more than 1 sport and gave examples right on PSUs roster. They have real talent. Then there’s wannabes and their parents. They’re the worst. Trouble for everyone they come in contact with. They try to specialize out of necessity because they need to max out their marginal ability. I didn’t know I couldn’t add a thought or give my point of view.
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But its just not fair. We Are! We do things the RIGHT way. All other programs cheat!
I agree 100% with what you are saying.
That said, good luck. What you propose about buy-in will not happen until they start planning for the future instead of cruising on past glories, real or imagined.
I don't mind going for it because A). I have no confidence in Pinnegar, no matter how close it is and B.) The staff knew we needed points.
My issue with it, along with that damn fade route, was the play call itself. It had zero chance of working.
Cheating? Do you know that for a fact? I refrain from such accusations. That's just an easy deflection for not being at their level.
Don't try to talk logic and common sense to the haters. The only enjoyment in their lives appears to be thinking of new ways to criticize Franklin.
How so? If I recall correctly, PSU went ahead 21-16 shortly thereafter by converting two 4th and short situations after Pinegar "missed" twice on 2 FG attempts from the same distance but fortunately penalties bailed him out. But hey never let facts or common sense get in the way of an agenda, huh?
And if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would have answered the question.if Franklin had your passion coaching this team we would have won the game today .....lol
Of course it is a fact. If other programs are having success and we are not, then they have to be cheating. I mean, We Are! The greatest program in all CFB, pure as the driven snow. We represent all things that are right for the sport.
Is that enough absurdity? Works for most of our fans.
Saban, Smart, Dabo, Day, Harbaugh - just a bunch of low-life cheaters at crap programs. None of those types would be worthy of our most holy of HC positions. Only Franklin is pure enough in mind, body and spirit.
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