Kingston is an abject failure. ***
- Thread starter Freddie.B.Cocky
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Don’t disagree at this point - Clemtech looked fundamentally more sound than we did which led to both wins and that falls back to coaching. I really thought Kingston could be a difference maker but so far this season I haven’t seen anything to prove me right.
A requirement for the baseball coach should be you have to beat
clemtec at least 50% of the time!
Landon Powell is waiting for THE call.
True Gamecock with a proven track record of success.
What are you waiting on Ray? Someone else to snap him up?
True Gamecock with a proven track record of success.
What are you waiting on Ray? Someone else to snap him up?
Here is what's scary: Baseball is Ray's wheelhouse. He has struck out every time he hires a Baseball Head Coach.
Couldn't agree more. Kingston is a tater
He’s only hired two. The first one was considered can’t miss and many would have crucified anyone involved in the hiring process if he had not been hired.
I don’t think many were very excited about hire number two. So far, for good reason.
Is it possible fundamentals are being taught, practiced etc. It may well be players can't execute in pressure situations. I suppose as the season plays out we will know.
Not a huge supporter now of the hire and willing to see what happens. IMO this season is a make or break for him.
I would be delighted to be proven wrong but Kingston just hasn't developed the team as well as needed. Last year wasn't bad, so credit there, but I think it's already clear we aren't going anywhere this year.
Does Landon look like a fool?……no former cocks should return…….yeah it’s look’s like a nice Hollywood ending, but get real, roosters eventually will eat their own….
think ole Diz said it best, “those one run ball games will kill ya”.
If Beamer was qualified enough to run a SEC football program, Landon Powell is qualified enough to run our baseball program. What’s the risk?? What, we don’t make it to Omaha? Never host a super? Oh wait….
I'm willing to bet that conversation has been had in the past few years. We will never know.....
I'm glad to see a general posting regarding the Holbrook hire as a good one at the time of the hire which didn't pan out.
Hard to get excited about Kingston.
Yep, let’s see what happens. His tenure isn’t bad just not great yet. We keep comparing everyone to Tanner, but who in history has taken 3 teams to the finals and won 2 back to back. That’s once in an era stuff. Can’t expect that again.
He’s so average. Not great. Not terrible. Just average.
That should not be acceptable for our program.
That should not be acceptable for our program.
No, his tenure has been bad. He’s 70-79 in the SEC. And it’s not like he just had a bad 1st and 2nd year that dragged that down. He just went 13-17 in 22. Only hosted one regional as a 1 seed. The other was bc ODU didn’t have good enough facilities to host, so we hosted as a 2.
This team is no better than they were last year. And honestly, looks worse.
Depends on what year you look at during his search for a philosophy and system that would work after his clearly failed in year two bad enough for him to abandon it. And with that it sure looks a lot like he's been bouncing around ever sense and lost when it comes to direction. We should not be searching for ways that will win this many years in a tenure. But appearance aside, if there is anything we know about his time here it's that he doesn't have a tried and true proven system known to work. Time he has had. Results are due. He can build off a decent year last year or this year be his last imo. I hope.
Ya’ll seem to follow the ends and outs of baseball so I will differ. 70-79 in conference play is definitely not good.
It's still very early in the season, but this has to be the make or break year. I think Super Regional or bust. Though that leaves room for the team to get hot and save him.
As other have pointed out, the SEC record isn't good. His best season was in year one when he went 17-13 in the league. So maybe it should be posting his best league record or bust. How they perform in the SEC is the best barometer for the strength of the program, I believe.
As other have pointed out, the SEC record isn't good. His best season was in year one when he went 17-13 in the league. So maybe it should be posting his best league record or bust. How they perform in the SEC is the best barometer for the strength of the program, I believe.
Look, his performance would be fine for a UK or Mizzou. But we were the pinnacle of the sport. Had the sport in a chokehold. We were the crown jewel. Holbrook had a better record, more success, and was only given 4 years before he was canned. This is year 6. We haven't been to Omaha in 12 years. Simply hosting regionals and making the tournament shouldn't satisfy anyone.
I wanted to know if it is as bad as it feels, so I went and looked; Since 2018, Kingston is 8-12 vs Clemson...... 8-12......
2018 - 1-2
2019 - 2-1
2020 - 1-2
2021 - 2-1
2022 - 0-3
2023 - 2-1
2024 - 0-2
2018 - 1-2
2019 - 2-1
2020 - 1-2
2021 - 2-1
2022 - 0-3
2023 - 2-1
2024 - 0-2
The long leash doesn't make sense at all. Should have hired Landon Powell after last year, if not 2 years ago.
Beamer is 10-14 in conference play. What is the number that runs him off after next season? He could very conceivably be 12-20 after next season.
Two vastly different sports with vastly different expectations. Even Spurrier was only 11-13 in the SEC after three seasons (and only finished 4 games over .500 for his career at USC).
Yeah, not even mildly relatable. But if Beamer has a losing record after 6 years, fire him. Fine.
SEC baseball is no slouch either. My point is; I think it is unreasonable to fire a baseball coach over a losing record in the SEC and not hold the football coach to the same standard.
If Spurrier only finished 4 games over .500 it really is crazy to expect Beamer to ever have a winning record in conference play.
We should be better than we have been at producing MLB talent. I think that bugs me more than records or anything else when it comes to Kingston time here... for the guy's sake.
Good observation. We have sent so many to MLB in the past and that has fallen way off.
South Carolina baseball should be able to call any coach in the country and have a shot at landing him. But if the choice is between another Kingston (lower level coach without any real accomplishments) and Landon Powell, then go for Landon Powell!
Nothing in this resume should have gotten the head coaching job at South Carolina:
But it wasn't once in an era stuff. South Carolina baseball has consistently been one of the best programs in the nation for decades. From 2000 - 2014, the team always won 40+ games. Since then, we've had 40+ twice. The program has significantly declined.
Are you sure?
Last season, we were ranked the entire year and also won the series against CU.
After our sweep of #2 UF, we were #3 in the country with a 34-6 record before injuries and a batting slump.
We overcame that slump, made it to the Super Regionals, and lost a heart-breaker in the first game to UF on their home field which probably would have swung that 3-game series in our favor.
Even though they were runner-up in the CWS, UF was probably the best team in the country.
This season, we lost two 1-run games to a top ten Clemson team on the road.
What exactly is wrong with Kingston?
Last season, we were ranked the entire year and also won the series against CU.
After our sweep of #2 UF, we were #3 in the country with a 34-6 record before injuries and a batting slump.
We overcame that slump, made it to the Super Regionals, and lost a heart-breaker in the first game to UF on their home field which probably would have swung that 3-game series in our favor.
Even though they were runner-up in the CWS, UF was probably the best team in the country.
This season, we lost two 1-run games to a top ten Clemson team on the road.
What exactly is wrong with Kingston?