Just 3MM gallons? That’s not very much. 300MM, maybe?
LA Fire question for any timber guys on here
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Having a reservoir empty for maintenance during the dry season doesn’t sound like a good idea.
Thanks for the explanation and not acting like a transvestite prick.
I know late summer/fall is generally the driest but do they have a non-dry season?
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When it comes out that the three overweight lesbians running the LAFD were out their taking souls and saving homes, I'll be first in line to shine a huge light on their excellence and fitness for duty.
I misread the LA Times article. Their wet season is around now and has been very dry due to La Niña.
Probably the right time of year for maintenance. But if there weren't redundancies in the system that'd be a major screw up.
Also apparently Pacific Palisades is at the end of the water system in that area so if you’re getting high demand the pressure can drop. Not a good scenario.
I think that was bad reporting, fake news, or whatever you want to call it.
Here’s a much more thorough article on the topic. TLDR: despite the issues with using salt water, in emergencies like this they do use it some.
Los Angeles fires: Saltwater used to combat flames comes with immediate benefits but long-term risks
Firefighters have taken the rare but not unusual move of scooping up ocean water to help battle the flames as wildfires rage across Southern California.
www.foxnews.com
-Why was she fired if she was doing her job despite a situation that couldn’t be handled no matter what?
-Why was she so critical of the mayor if things weren’t mismanaged?
I’m so confused since those on here said nothing could be done and it was being handled properly and stop being critical and stop listening to Faux News. I come here to be properly educated and MSN is painting a different story than SPS.
I’ve been watching on flight tracker today and you can tell the winds have subsided. There’s at least a dozen fire choppers including a couple of Chinooks. Also have the fire planes running with the MD-87s and a big DC-10 stratotanker as well.
MD-87 (video mislabeled it)
DC-10
MD-87 (video mislabeled it)
DC-10
It was empty, firemen were fired, insurance cancellations....seems very fishy
It's extremely annoying reading through this thread. So many people don't understand wildfires whatsoever and just read blurbs, tweets, or crappy articles from others that don't understand what is happening and they all get worked up. It's unfortunate though, because wildland firefighting is absolutely amazing. It's also really complicated. And some of the things they do is extremely cool... I mean those VLAT's (Very Large Air Tankers) in the videos you posted are flying 250' of the deck in what is really just a passenger plane that could hold up to 350 people.
When I have more time I may start a new thread about fire management out west. It's become a super interesting subject to me, and because of the community I live in we are very immersed in the wildfire world.
I always thought I would make my boys join the military (or try to) because of the family tradition, adventure, and personal growth it offers, but I think the forest service/BLM wildland firefighting world might accomplish a lot of the same stuff. There's some interesting tidbits including the growing idea that putting out/containing fires is the wrong way to manage them.
I don't have any special understanding of western wildfires or how to combat them.
The political shittslinging going down is an easy target to hit. Low hanging fruit. Its not the whole story.
But, cutting funding for our own citizens while rolling out trillions for homelessness, drug addiction, DEI foolishness, coporate bailouts, and foreign wars have become a tipping point for everyone, everywhere.
Stupid environmental and economic policies are being exposed.
That said, I truly believe when mother nature flexes her muscles, humans are reminded just how small we are. I doubt any amount of REASONABLE preparation for this would have made much difference. Case in point, pictures of an empty man-made reservoir are making the rounds on InstFaceTwit, but that amount of water is miniscule in a disaster of this size, especially when the supply infrastructure wasn't up to the task of getting it where it needed to be anyway.
Hell, my cynical brain tells me that even if the carpet-munching DEI biznatches had been clamoring for years about prepping for this, the dubmass citizens there would have voted it down because of environmental impact concerns.
May be REO’s best song. They were so much better band before Kevin Cronin took over leadership from Gary Richrath. You Get What You Play For is one of the best live albums ever.
Word is State Farm canceled policies at there renewal dates because they stopped clearing brush and regulatory boards potentially capped rates or rate increases.
Imagine the MS residents who endured the post-Katrina State Farm screwjob hearing about dropped/denied policies.
At least it will make national news now when that company gets blasted on CA resident's social media. That company deserves all hell coming it's way.
Interesting. So MSN is the new fake news, huh? Do you have answers for my other question?
Also of interest is that you agreed with my Covid comment. I guess you agree that all the conspiracy theorists were actually right. WTG.
I'm just saying she hasn't been fired. I don't really know anything about her other than she is employed. Google it. At least a few hours ago she wasn't.
I think very few people were right about much of anything with Covid. Experts and conspiracy theorists included. The people hell bent on being "right" consistently cherry pick anecdotes to say "look at me I was right". They aren't worth having any discussions with no matter what angle they are coming from.
Forester/Certfied prescribed burn managers/Wetland biologist/Program manager over many different type of ecosystem restoration projects here. As posted here previously someone mentioned a relative of theirs who was a research forester warned of these disasters years ago. Our professors at State told us this was coming 30 years ago when the CA stepped away from prescribed burning. CA & FL are defined as all season fire states. Fire is natural and necessary for most of the environment. Removing yearly wildfires fires and not prescribed burning created this situation.
The removal of fire from the area has changed the historical species composition from predominantly early successional species to a scrub/shrub environment.
Realistically there’s no way to prescribe burn all of CA forest. The acreage is crazy, but you can create containment zones for the extremely rural areas by burning perimeters. As for the high density areas like the Palasides prescribed fire would have definitely prevented this catastrophe. But due to politics your balancing smoke management, carbon output policies, and budget cuts to the US Forest Service and USFWS as well as state and local forestry/wildlife departments proper management hasn’t occurred.
Unfortunately the path forward to find a solution will be dominated by politics and not sound science and in 20-30 years this fiasco will probably be repeated.
The removal of fire from the area has changed the historical species composition from predominantly early successional species to a scrub/shrub environment.
Realistically there’s no way to prescribe burn all of CA forest. The acreage is crazy, but you can create containment zones for the extremely rural areas by burning perimeters. As for the high density areas like the Palasides prescribed fire would have definitely prevented this catastrophe. But due to politics your balancing smoke management, carbon output policies, and budget cuts to the US Forest Service and USFWS as well as state and local forestry/wildlife departments proper management hasn’t occurred.
Unfortunately the path forward to find a solution will be dominated by politics and not sound science and in 20-30 years this fiasco will probably be repeated.
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I am sure that building regulations are now in place in many areas prone to certain types of disasters. What they don't seem to do though is limit the value of a house.
I can speak more to Hurricanes from a personal experience. My daughter lives in Cape Coral. When she first got there 15 years ago she was able to rent a house on a canal. It was a pretty standard 1200 sqft 3 bed 2 bath home. Each time I came to visit more of the houses on her block were being torn down and larger more elaborate homes were being put up in their place. The houses on the canals as you took the boat out were getting bigger each visit. The boat lifts are full of million dollar boats. Some people have the 2 million dollar 6-400hp engines sea boat and a 100k bay boat in a second lift then a few jet skis thrown in. As the real estate market went up her landlord was looking to cash in and she found a nice 1400 sqft house not on a canal and is happy. That original house got torn down and a large house is going up in it's place.
So this area gets hit by 2 massive Hurricanes over the past 20 years, with a few minor ones thrown in. We have all seen the pictures of these million dollar boats sitting on the side of the road in the after math. My son in law is a mechanic at a marina and they were part of the salvage effort and most of that is these boats get totaled. But they keep building bigger and put more and more money at risk even though they know the disaster will happen and there is nothing you can do about it.
Wildfires don't really compare to other disasters in terms of damage done annually.
Drought is interesting. I guess watching @DesotoCountyDawg 's crops wither away would be less entertaining TV than seeing PooPop's house burn or @skipperDawg 's house get the roof ripped off in a hurricane.***
But the big one I know personally is storms. I lived in DFW for a decade plus and dealt with a dozen major storms. Sometimes we took hail or wind damage others it was fine. But no matter what my insurance climbed... Not just homeowners, but auto too. I'd have to go back and look, but it at least doubled and likely tripled from 2012-2020 I bet.
But the cost for the actual damage is spread out and increased upon the masses in the region. My guess would be if you live 5 miles on shore in Cape Coral you are subsidizing the insurance cost of that Mcmansion on the canal quite a bit.
I'd bet my life savings that reality lies somewhere in the middle 1/3 scenarios between "**** just happens" and "the ****** did it".
Absolutely.
However this fire is going to blow that little chart apart. They are looking at 150 Billion according to some right now for this fire.
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It’s also kind of hard to get a pumper truck close enough to the ocean to get the water. You can’t drive those things on sand.
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The insurance thing is no conspiracy. The companies were not allowed to charge prices that took into account the risk by California regulators. Reputable companies will not do business in a regulatory environment like that.
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