Makes you want to be a teacher doesn't it
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I am in year 23. Never been a day in my life I wish I’d done something else. That said if I was just starting, no way I’d make it to retirement.
Folks like to place blame all around about the failure of the education system. It is a broken system in which the adults lose more and more grip on control. However, I tell folks all the time that biggest failure is that we no longer have nuclear families and that kids aren’t taught to believe that each person has value and should be treated as such. Kids no longer demonstrate respect because parents don’t show respect.
I believe we are seeing the death of public schools as they are. If things don’t drastically change, we will not have enough teachers to fill the voids…and I’m not even talking about quality teachers.
Folks like to place blame all around about the failure of the education system. It is a broken system in which the adults lose more and more grip on control. However, I tell folks all the time that biggest failure is that we no longer have nuclear families and that kids aren’t taught to believe that each person has value and should be treated as such. Kids no longer demonstrate respect because parents don’t show respect.
I believe we are seeing the death of public schools as they are. If things don’t drastically change, we will not have enough teachers to fill the voids…and I’m not even talking about quality teachers.
Attempted murder is what it was. He should be dealt with appropriately. He’ll probably end up in juvie for 1.5-2yrs and end up being a lifelong drain on society.
That was disgusting to watch/see.
He will likely go unpunished. I pray that the teacher will be ok.
My daughter, a wonderful and reputable high school English teacher who never wanted to do anything else from the time she was a little girl, will step away in May after 29 years - at age 51. Had the career she chose and felt called to pursue not changed so adversely, she never would have done this, especially while having a kid in college for three more years. She just can't take anymore.
Her daughter, my granddaughter, is in her second year as a kindergarten teacher. Like her Mom, she always wanted to teach. It breaks my heart to contemplate that she will probably grow to despise her choice. Her district is enacting a policy whereby teachers must make their lesson plans available to all parents of her students, with the parents having the right to formally protest those plans.
That seems good to some people but how many of those parents are trained to educate children? How many different lesson plans can one teacher be expected to enact? You can't run school that way.
To who? The ones causing most of the problems/crimes? Thank the good lord I live in an area where we don't have those kinds of problems. If we ever do, I'm moving to the upper Midwest, Minnesota, Michigan or Wisconsin to stay one step ahead.
A couple of years ago, it was becoming en-vouge to move to downtown areas in large urban cities. Well the crime has stayed. During Covid-19 you started seeing the shift of people moving to rural America since they could take their work with them.
The South is such a hot bed for transplants that the quaint towns are now not so quaint anymore. The rural areas are either undesirable due to poverty, lack of good education (no offense to people who live in Orangeburg) or overcrowded with transplants trying to change the culture (Brevard, NC, Hendersonville, NC, Landrum, SC, Travelers Rest SC, Jonesborough TN, etc).
I think at some point, you may see a white flight going to places like Wyoming, Montana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakotas. Eastern Washington, Idaho. jus saying. I won't live in any area where I have to worry about: porch pirates, shootings, drug dealing, carjackings, unruly schools. I guess I live in a bubble, but I'm glad I live in Upper East TN. Much rather live with Mountaineers and Hillbillies than inner city thugs.
In Texas, the student would be tried as an adult in most circumstances along with making a terroristic threat for threatening to kill a school employee.
You are dreadfully mistaken suh.... and out of line.
You see, that young lad had just taken a chiropractic class and merely laid the teacher down in the proper position and then was giving her a clear and heartfelt message around the head and neck area.
There was no violence whatsoever in that video. You did not see what you think you saw. Ask any liberal......
Re: Transplants. --- Recently divorced / got a profile on OkCupid. Started talking to this chick from Long Island. Born and raised there then moved down here in her late 30's. Claimed on the phone she hoped I didn't hold that against her. She told me one day her dream is to return north and live in east PA or "somewhere like that."
Being the honest bloke that I am, I told her I did hold that against her, that there were many people in the south who shared my hostility to yankee transplants and I even encouraged her to go ahead and move back. Asap.
I swear with everything that I am that she reminds me 100% of "Karen" from Goodfellas. Needless to say, we've been on 3 dates and going out again next week. (WTF am I getting myself into?) <smh> // It's like monkeys trying to play football with a baseball bat. I know it ain't gonna work but........ she is pretty. All I'm saying is *JUST ONCE* I'd like to meet a redneck girl in daisy dukes that likes to catfish and watch college football. Hell I'd even take a Clemson girl with no teeth. In fact, the no teeth thing might be a bonus
Funny you mention this, I have a friend who lives in Asheville ( a transplant from Auburn, NY) who loves southern Girls and he drives up to Johnson City to see the kind of girls he likes, true blonde/blue. I would wager a guess that 90% of the people here are of Scot-Irish, British, & German descent which lends its self to fair complexion and blue/green eyes. I'm of Scot-Irish and German descent and my ancestors were from Western NC/Upstate SC/Upper East TN region. (Most all originating from Buncombe/Henderson Counties in NC).
If you like girls who have hairy arm pits, legs, nose rings, etc. get you a girl in downtown Asheville...lol
Many teachers have had a hand in creating this culture.
It pains me to say this, as I come from a family of educators.
It pains me to say this, as I come from a family of educators.
You would think CNN would report this, right??
My Dad was a district superintendent when he retired. My mom was a teacher. My grandmother was a teacher. My cousin was a teacher. As stated above, my daughter and granddaughter are both teachers. I can assure you, none of them is or was part of the "problem".
My Mom taught me in fourth grade - OLD school. I can tell you when the problem started, at least in our part of the country, but that would result in the locking of the thread. I don't want to be the one who causes that.
I aver that the problem started in other parts of the country with the rise of the teacher unions.
On this I disagree. Parents should see the lesson plan, and should be able to object. How those objections are handled can take it from a productive policy to totally unmanageable though.
This is thoroughly disgusting. Blind side, sucker punch a much smaller person, stomp on them, and then start punching them relentlessly, and still kicking after he was pull off her. Because she took his toy that he shouldn't have had in the class room to begin with. Dude needs to be tried for attempted muder as an adult. When he's in prison, he can play his Switch all day, unless someone takes it from him and beats him down the same way.
No one is touting suppression of information, but this is public education, not private tutoring. Teachers with 20-30 students charged mainly with teaching basic skills cannot practically provide tailor-made education for each Bobby and Susie in the class. Expectations of that kind are part of the problem. That, and behavioral issues fostered in the home that parents expect teachers to either tolerate or to fix, these are what are killing public education. At any rate, schools hold parent/teacher conferences every month and administrators make themselves available to meet with parents as well. There are channels.
As a parent, I would love to see a syllabus for my son's classes at the beginning of the year or semester. No, I'm not qualified to teach every one of my son's honors and AP high school courses and I'm not looking to interfere with a teacher's plan to teach him Chemistry or Physics. But, as a parent, I am the person most vested in and responsible for my kid's K-12 education (yes, even more than the teachers) and have a right to be involved. And, FWIW, it would be wrong to assume that involvement is somehow hostile to or interferes with the teachers' plans. But I do have conversations with my son that sometimes provide context to those classroom discussions that don't quite hit the mark or that he doesn't fully understand.
Holy crap - and in that article the kid says - at 17, I would say ‘young man’, but he doesn’t deserve to be referred to as any type of ‘man’ - that he will kill her when he gets back!! WT??
Sadly, just like your daughter, the good ones are getting out and are turning it over to those wanting to make education an indoctrination process and a dumbing down of our children and grandchildren when it comes to valuable life skills. This plan has been in action for decades and makes the coming generation more dependent and easier to control!
I don't know about a plan. The slippery slope, on the other hand, is manifest.
Teachers need to be strapped with a license to kill nowadays.
Also. Animals.
Also. Animals.
I’d like to see one politician have to submit his/her work plans to an outside group for their daily review. Most of these toads haven’t been in a classroom with todays students yet they want to run daily activities. It is ridiculous.
I can’t speak for all schools, but I haven’t been part of one that had an indoctrination agenda. I hate that it may be happening in some places that have made folks think it is happening in the majority of places.
I do agree however that we have “dumbed” down the process. No Child Left Behind was a great idea, but was a complete failure. It also led to our current situation. Graduation rate became a huge factor in accountability, and along with the removal of the Exit Exam, schools could begin to manipulate the process. We removed Tech Prep classes and tried to force everyone into college. We stopped retaining kids at early ages when they couldn’t read, even when the teacher and parent know it shouldn’t happen. People think they understand, but every bit of that falls on federal and state lawmakers that punishes schools for things such as a kid that doesn’t graduate in four years, a kid that is retained as a third grader even though they read on a kindergarten level, or even a special education student that the school prepares them for the workforce but may not meet diploma criteria.
I also agree that as educators, we are sometimes our own worst enemies. I have worked with some folks that had no business in a classroom. The overwhelming majority of teachers do genuinely care about what they do and their students’ success and will work their tails off for their kids. It is unfortunate that a growing faction of our society has so little regard for teacher or an education in general.
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I think I see a disconnect here. If I read this right, we're both good with parents seeing the lesson plan/syllabus or info on what the teacher teaches.
I am NOT saying that teachers need to come up with multiple lesson plans for each and every child. That would be unsustainable.
But a parent should be able to question things being taught their children. The reaction is what needs work. Should that topic be taught at all? Should the individual child just be held out?
Although I agree with you, I don't think it's realistic/sustainable for parents to question teachers. These questions need to flow through a non-teacher / district staff to decide if a particular lesson should be taught. Teachers can't have half the classes parents questioning them about a lesson being taught.
I think parents should be involved in their children's education. The implementation of personalization in the public school classroom has its limitations. That's why schools have resource teachers for students needing help in particular areas, mainly reading and math.
Let's differentiate between "topics" and "subjects". It shouldn't be too difficult to identify legitimate subjects that are needful and desirable for life preparation. "Topics" carries an entirely different connotation, and yes, parents have legitimate interests where "topics" are concerned. I need not elaborate.
There is a difference between an adult conversation and an attack when it comes to a lesson. Unfortunately, most conversations happen via a social media attack.
I taught science before moving into admin. One of the topics I taught was evolution. It was straight from our state standards, and made up 5-10% of the questions on the state assessment. Over the years, I had no less than 10 people complain about the lesson’s topic. Some were very personal. Several times I had to explain that I didn’t choose to include the standard, but it still did matter.
My wife teaches English. She teaches the book Night. The last two semesters, she has had to create alternate lesson for a few kids. The issue is that the book mentions some mystic things. What was lost in the process is a piece of literature written by a holocaust survivor about his experience.
I fully invite parental involvement. However, it must be a two-way communication and a willingness to be able to agree to disagree without looking to destroy an individual.
My wife teaches English. She teaches the book Night. The last two semesters, she has had to create alternate lesson for a few kids. The issue is that the book mentions some mystic things. What was lost in the process is a piece of literature written by a holocaust survivor about his experience.
I fully invite parental involvement. However, it must be a two-way communication and a willingness to be able to agree to disagree without looking to destroy an individual.
Nope…you never will. It was horrible, and shows a black kid hitting a white teacher. Now if you can reverse the colors, they will loop it and call in Al Sharpton.
What bothered me the most was the slow and gentle reaction of the men teachers. They should have dove on that piece of crap with force and subdued him. They gently tried to step in while the thug got in more kicks on the laid out teacher. You will see no coverage or outrage from the left. It will probably be spun as systemic racism caused this reaction. I say its the hate taught by the left.
Kid will be in another school across town in a few weeks.
Public schools are over with as far as I’m concerned. The Private sector will take over from here.
How about helping find those “resource“ teachers in Spartanburg. My grandson needs math help…5th grade. My daughter has called the school several times asking if they even know people that will tutor if we pay for it. Has asked for extra help like staying after school maybe with someone who teaches math. They just tell her they don’t have anyone and don’t know of anyone. Hell they had that when I was in school Decades ago…
I guess we’ll check out a Sylvan Learning center or something like it….my point is they seem very disinterested
I have two daughters who are teachers and one son-in-law. They teach from a state mandated(Georgia) curriculum structured to have students pass state mandated end of term tests to measure subject learning. The curriculums were developed by committees composed of principals, curriculum folks, teachers and parents. There's not a lot of wiggle room. Teachers are anxious for their students to pass those tests because they are evaluated on student learning. Teachers have a ton of paper work to deal with much, if not most, surpurpolus. Unfortunately, there are times when 1-2 parents attempt to impose their will on the rest of the class and dictate how things ought to be. And of course parents take exception to how their child is disciplined. Teachers are under a lot of pressure and politicians trying to gain points with their constituency is making it worse.
For the most part, schools have no rules and no discipline or measures in place designed to effectively correct misconduct regardless of the identity of the offender - particularly if the offender identifies as one of the protected groups. Which is very much like how the newly adopted United States legal system operates.