Not tough enough…

[MacNit]

Pushed around on our home field.

Heck of a comeback…but still an L just like any other.

As I have been saying for a long time. Franklin is soft, his teams are soft (mentally and physically), and that leads to this…again, and again, and again.

Had enough? At this point, if you have not then you must be either a Franklin fanboy or a masochist.

Hopefully this will be the final straw. Pay the buyout, raise beer prices by $1, and give someone else a chance.

 

[BiochemPSU]

Franklin has been on borrowed time for years now. If Saquon Barkley had played for Rutgers, James would have been doing the assistant coaching carousel thing a long time ago.

PSU hoped it had hired a generational coach in Franklin, it didn’t work out. No shame in moving on, he’s had a fair go of it. Yet, this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

 

[MacNit]

Franklin has been on borrowed time for years now. If Saquon Barkley had played for Rutgers, James would have been doing the assistant coaching carousel thing a long time ago.

PSU hoped it had hired a generational coach in Franklin, it didn’t work out. No shame in moving on, he’s had a fair go of it. Yet, this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

A very fair take.

 

[MaconNitt]

Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons. With his next win he will move into second place all time in victories as a PSU coach.

We're all frustrated or we wouldn't be Penn State fans. We were almost in the National Championship game last year. With the extended playoff system one loss doesn't end your season.

Do you really want to be like a Nebraska who fired a coach because he didn't win enough games to your liking and set the program back?

 

[Nits1989]

Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons. With his next win he will move into second place all time in victories as a PSU coach.

We're all frustrated or we wouldn't be Penn State fans. We were almost in the National Championship game last year. With the extended playoff system one loss doesn't end your season.

Do you really want to be like a Nebraska who fired a coach because he didn't win enough games to your liking and set the program back?

Frank Solich. It turned out to be a bad move in hindsight.

 

[KingLando]

Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons. With his next win he will move into second place all time in victories as a PSU coach.

We're all frustrated or we wouldn't be Penn State fans. We were almost in the National Championship game last year. With the extended playoff system one loss doesn't end your season.

Do you really want to be like a Nebraska who fired a coach because he didn't win enough games to your liking and set the program back?

Or do you want to be Georgia?
I agree--the loss today isn't a big deal but the playoff wins were SMU and Boise.
The Steelers are stuck in mediocrity because they refuse to make a necessary move--I don't want Penn State to be the same.

 

[MaconNitt]

Or do you what to be Georgia?
I agree--the loss today isn't a big deal but the playoff wins were SMU and Boise.
The Steelers are stuck in mediocrity because they refuse to make a necessary move--I don't want Penn State to be the same.

Its easy to say "do you want to be like Georgia"

You don't or won't answer who are you realistically going to replace him with?

 

[BiochemPSU]

Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons. With his next win he will move into second place all time in victories as a PSU coach.

We're all frustrated or we wouldn't be Penn State fans. We were almost in the National Championship game last year. With the extended playoff system one loss doesn't end your season.

Do you really want to be like a Nebraska who fired a coach because he didn't win enough games to your liking and set the program back?

Georgia just went on an incredible run after letting their coach go.

Why does every coaching vacancy have to be the result of the head coach croaking or retiring? PSU is the only place that thinks that way, entirely because they refused to take the car keys away from the last guy when it was obvious that it needed to be done. With NIL, this ain’t your Pappy’s college football and you can literally buy your coach a guaranteed amount of success with a competent roster. that’s why Nick Saban is on the Gameday set and not getting more hardware at Alabama because everyone with a solid name brand and financial backing can do it now.

 

[KingLando]

Its easy to say "do you want to be like Georgia"

You don't or won't answer who are you realistically going to replace him with?

And it's easy to use Nebraska as the alternative
Realistically it doesn't matter--a change is needed if we continue down this path
I don't care if it's someone like Ben Arbuckle--see Dan Lanning. They don't have be proven HCs

 

[MacNit]

Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons. With his next win he will move into second place all time in victories as a PSU coach.

We're all frustrated or we wouldn't be Penn State fans. We were almost in the National Championship game last year. With the extended playoff system one loss doesn't end your season.

Do you really want to be like a Nebraska who fired a coach because he didn't win enough games to your liking and set the program back?

Yes. I would take the chance. Losing every meaningful game? What’s the risk?

 

[MaconNitt]

Georgia just went on an incredible run after letting their coach go.

Why does every coaching vacancy have to be the result of the head coach croaking or retiring? PSU is the only place that thinks that way, entirely because they refused to take the car keys away from the last guy when it was obvious that it needed to be done. With NIL, this ain’t your Pappy’s college football and you can literally buy your coach a guaranteed amount of success with a competent roster. that’s why Nick Saban is on the Gameday set and not getting more hardware at Alabama because everyone with a solid name brand and financial backing can do it now.

All well and good. Who is realistically going to replace him?

 

[Calabrin]

Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons.

This is my question, as well.

People talk about getting rid of Franklin as though there's some obvious solution dangling from a low hanging tree branch. Who is going to walk through the door that's going to be a magic bullet?

I just don't buy narrative that you show Franklin the door and everything turns around.

 

[MacNit]

Its easy to say "do you want to be like Georgia"

You don't or won't answer who are you realistically going to replace him with?

That is the AD’s job. But lots to pick from who could lose every meaningful game.

And despite an incredibly easy schedule, let’s not make it out like Franklin wins all the games he is supposed to: I can remember some gems against Michigan State, Indiana, - heck he was a 3.5 point favorite today!

if we are going to win one meanigful have in a decade, what exactly is at risk? Thumping chests because we beat Villanova? Delaware?

We took a chance on Franklin and he has had a good run at it but he has plateaued. He has had over a decade.

Surely there is another you coach who we could give a chance?

Or how about take a run at Urban?

 

[Calabrin]

Georgia just went on an incredible run after letting their coach go.

Why does every coaching vacancy have to be the result of the head coach croaking or retiring? PSU is the only place that thinks that way, entirely because they refused to take the car keys away from the last guy when it was obvious that it needed to be done. With NIL, this ain’t your Pappy’s college football and you can literally buy your coach a guaranteed amount of success with a competent roster. that’s why Nick Saban is on the Gameday set and not getting more hardware at Alabama because everyone with a solid name brand and financial backing can do it now.

Yep. Saban literally fled when he found out his advantage was being taken away.

"What?! A level playing field?! But what about my mystique??"

 

[MaconNitt]

This is my question, as well.

People talk about getting rid of Franklin as though there's some obvious solution dangling from a low hanging tree branch. Who is going to walk through the door that's going to be a magic bullet?

I just don't buy narrative that you show Franklin the door and everything turns around.

They don't grow on trees.

 

[MacNit]

They don't grow on trees.

Coaches that lose every single meaningful game do indeed grow on trees. Especially with the material you have to work with at PSU.

 

[MaconNitt]

That is the AD’s job. But lots to pick from who could lose every meaningful game.

And despite an incredibly easy schedule, let’s not make it out like Franklin wins all the games he is supposed to: I can remember some gems against Michigan State, Indiana, - heck he was a 3.5 point favorite today!

if we are going to win one meanigful have in a decade, what exactly is at risk? Thumping chests because we beat Villanova? Delaware?

We took a chance on Franklin and he has had a good run at it but he has plateaued. He has had over a decade.

Surely there is another you coach who we could give a chance?

Or how about take a run at Urban?

Urban is not coming here. He is doing fine with his TV career. Lanning has Phil Knights money for NIL and can buy 5 star players.

Edited to correct but to buy

 

[MacNit]

Urban is not coming here. He is doing fine with his TV career. Lanning has Phil Knights money for NIL and can but 5 star players.

Why was Penn State favored by 3.5 points. This team is equally talented with Oregon.

But Oregon is better coached and (hard has it may be for traditional PSU-ers to accept) just tougher than PSU.

 

[MaconNitt]

Coaches that lose every single meaningful games do indeed grow on trees. Especially with the material you have to work with at home PSU.

Did the coach throw throw the game ending interceptions against Oregon twice and Notre Dame?

Franklin has made his fair share of bone head decisions/clock management errors that have cost games. Those three games in particular were execution losses.

 

[MacNit]

Did the coach throw throw the game ending interceptions against Oregon twice and Notre Dame?

Franklin has made his fair share of bone head decisions/clock management errors that have cost games. Those three games in particular were execution losses.

And if he ever wins meaningful game again, he would not make tne plays either? Did he block the O$U FG? Run in the return?

Bottom line is he can’t win a big game! How much more evidence do you need? It’s been over a decade!

 

[johnmpsu]

I don't care who they hire. I'd just like to THINK they could/might win a game like today.

Losses can be accepted, especially against teams that are better, but it sure would be nice to believe there is a chance to win. With each passing year that gets less and less probable.

Is that asking too much???

 

[MaconNitt]

I don't care who they hire. I'd just like to THINK they could/might win a game like today.

Losses can be accepted, especially against teams that are better, but it sure would be nice to believe there is a chance to win. With each passing year that gets less and less probable.

Is that asking too much???

The game went to overtime. There was a chance to win. You are not asking too much. Its frustrating as hell to watch.

 

[BiochemPSU]

I don't care who they hire. I'd just like to THINK they could/might win a game like today.

Losses can be accepted, especially against teams that are better, but it sure would be nice to believe there is a chance to win. With each passing year that gets less and less probable.

Is that asking too much???

Apparently, it is asking too much. When you call for change the only response is “WhO are YUo GoiINg to HiRE?!?!” Then you list a name and they go “no.” So, heads they win, tails you lose.

Tennessee coach could do well here, tired of being second tier in the SEC perhaps. I would give the Georgia Tech coach a call. Minnesota’s staff does well with limited resources. There are folks out there.

 

[Calabrin]

Coaches that lose every single meaningful game do indeed grow on trees. Especially with the material you have to work with at PSU.

Yeah, I absolutely echo this frustration.

I just don't have a solution.

 

[Georgia Peach]

Pushed around on our home field.

Heck of a comeback…but still an L just like any other.

As I have been saying for a long time. Franklin is soft, his teams are soft (mentally and physically), and that leads to this…again, and again, and again.

Had enough? At this point, if you have not then you must be either a Franklin fanboy or a masochist.

Hopefully this will be the final straw. Pay the buyout, raise beer prices by $1, and give someone else a chance.

Not going to happen. That's not a defense of Franklin, but a statement about economic and coaching reality. There is nobody on the staff to promote up and top coaches won't like the recruiting and NIL situation compared to the competition (Oregon, tOSU and Michigan).

 

[Georgia Peach]

Or do you what to be Georgia?
I agree--the loss today isn't a big deal but the playoff wins were SMU and Boise.
The Steelers are stuck in mediocrity because they refuse to make a necessary move--I don't want Penn State to be the same.

Everybody wants to be Georgia. Unlimited NIL, talent rich state and region. Very few have that. Indiana has a top coach. Let's watch what happens when he plays tOSU, Oregon, and PSU.

 

[Sunsox]

Certainly not happy with another big game loss, but I didn't see Oregon as a much better coached team. Their 5-star recruits and mercenary portal players made plays. Our senior quarterback missed open throws, our portal LB whiffed on a tackle where his one job was to spy the QB, and on the game winning TD our stud DE had a free run at the QB and missed him. Is that all coaching? Maybe it is, but in today's college football, I personally think being the highest bidder is more important than who the coach is.

 

[KingLando]

Everybody wants to be Georgia. Unlimited NIL, talent rich state and region. Very few have that. Indiana has a top coach. Let's watch what happens when he plays tOSU, Oregon, and PSU.

I like Cig. I think he beats teams ge supposed to like Iowa (barely yesterday) and like Franklin does.

 

[Bwifan]

Apparently, it is asking too much. When you call for change the only response is “WhO are YUo GoiINg to HiRE?!?!” Then you list a name and they go “no.” So, heads they win, tails you lose.

Tennessee coach could do well here, tired of being second tier in the SEC perhaps. I would give the Georgia Tech coach a call. Minnesota’s staff does well with limited resources. There are folks out there.

I would inquire to Lane Kiffin as well as the TN coach....

 

[KingLando]

Did the coach throw throw the game ending interceptions against Oregon twice and Notre Dame?

Franklin has made his fair share of bone head decisions/clock management errors that have cost games. Those three games in particular were execution losses.

Coaching put the QB is bad situations.
Against ND we should have been playing for OT considering our WRs couldn't get open all day
Last night the play calling for 3 quarters was horrific and then the final play call (why are we running that to the short side of the field) was ridiculous. Why didn't we pound Kaytron? When you put guys into a position to fail they likely will.
Also the defense had a chance to win both games and couldn't make stops. How is that on Allar?

 

[LB99]

I would inquire to Lane Kiffin as well as the TN coach....

You keep saying Lane Kiffin. It would be a lateral move to a questionable human being. He’s 12-24 all time vs top 25 teams and 5-15 (with yesterday’s win) vs top 10 teams. No major conference championships. No national titles. Not to mention he is a used car salesman personality.

 

[KingLando]

You keep saying Lane Kiffin. It would be a lateral move to a questionable human being. He’s 12-24 all time vs top 25 teams and 5-15 (with yesterday’s win) vs top 10 teams. No major conference championships. No national titles. Not to mention he is a used car salesman personality.

Those numbers aren't great...until you compare them to Franklin lol

 

[Bwifan]

You keep saying Lane Kiffin. It would be a lateral move to a questionable human being. He’s 12-24 all time vs top 25 teams and 5-15 (with yesterday’s win) vs top 10 teams. No major conference championships. No national titles. Not to mention he is a used car salesman personality.

Disagree watched him coach here at FAU and what he did there with that dumpster fire of a program in a short amount of time was remarkable. He is so bad a coach that Saban wanted him as OC. What about Sark at Texas? Would you take him or since he has no Natty's you would pass on him as well? No it's not a lateral move. Ole Miss is no where near PSU level. Only question would be could PSU pull him out of the SEC. I am not sure he would do that but I would ask.

 

[LB99]

Disagree watched him coach here at FAU and what he did there with that dumpster fire of a program in a short amount of time was remarkable. He is so bad a coach that Saban wanted him as OC. What about Sark at Texas? Would you take him or since he has no Natty's you would pass on him as well? No it's not a lateral move. Ole Miss is no where near PSU level. Only question would be could PSU pull him out of the SEC. I am not sure he would do that but I would ask.

Coaching at FAU is far far different from big boy football. In big boy football, he is mediocre with very few meaningful accomplishments. Sark loses big games too. His personality is so great that Saban was fine with him leaving before the season was over. You wanna make a big splash with accomplishments to back it up? Throw a ton of cash at Saban.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Not going to happen. That's not a defense of Franklin, but a statement about economic and coaching reality. There is nobody on the staff to promote up and top coaches won't like the recruiting and NIL situation compared to the competition (Oregon, tOSU and Michigan).

Going to disagree a bit here - I actually think the HC position at State would draw a ton of interest from high quality candidates. It’s not like we’re lacking in tradition or culture. We’re a legitimate top 10 program right now, and we have the $$ and resources to compete with any of those programs. What’s not for a top coach to love?

 

[MtNittany]

The defense shouldn't have allowed Oregon to push them around in OT.

 

[MacNit]

Coaching put the QB is bad situations.
Against ND we should have been playing for OT considering our WRs couldn't get open all day
Last night the play calling for 3 quarters was horrific and then the final play call (why are we running that to the short side of the field) was ridiculous. Why didn't we pound Kaytron? When you put guys into a position to fail they likely will.
Also the defense had a chance to win both games and couldn't make stops. How is that on Allar?

Well setting aside that Allar is not nearly as good as some folks think, all of this + we are soft and continue to find ways to lose these games.

If you think about it, full credit that Franklin does not lose the locker room. All the practices and sacrifice and yet another loss - getting bullied on your home field.

Got to believe BGJ will leave after this year. Going to be some mediocre Big10 teams looking to administer some payback next year. And PSU will be very vulnerable. This program could be headed into some very challenging times. And I doubt Franklin will want to be part of it. And thanks to Sandy, he will never have to cosch again. Kudos to his agent!

The $10k per game luxury suites ight suddenly become a tough sell!

 

[MacNit]

Those numbers aren't great...until you compare them to Franklin lol

Urban may be the only answer.

 

[The real m.knox]

Why was Penn State favored by 3.5 points. This team is equally talented with Oregon.

But Oregon is better coached and (hard has it may be for traditional PSU-ers to accept) just tougher than PSU.

Something is wrong. PSU can't ever seem to get the "right" OC. Every single one of them can't call plays or get personnel to execute the plays? How does the Kotelnicki offense of last year regress with almost the same personnel? Was Warren that good? Was he the reason PSU ran for 300 yards against Oregon last year?

 

[MacNit]

Everybody wants to be Georgia. Unlimited NIL, talent rich state and region. Very few have that. Indiana has a top coach. Let's watch what happens when he plays tOSU, Oregon, and PSU.

I would to see a team not get bullied on its home field.