Offensive expectations for the final 5 games

[18IsTheMan]

We are 7 games in, so I assume we must accept that our offensive approach is not changing this season (or likely as long as Satterfield is here).

It seems obvious to most people that we have the most success when we commit to the run. The only two real offensive drives we had last night that ended in TDs were based on the run. And, really, when we commit to Marshawn. We probably don’t score that last TD if he doesn’t come back in the game. The drive was stalling out until he came in and promptly scored a TD.

I just don’t known what else Satterfield needs to see. Maybe it’s that he wants the offense to have success some other way than the way we’re having success.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

We can't just "commit to the run", even with a good offensive line, which we don't have. Especially in a defensive league like the SEC. We aren't Bama in the good ole days. Balance is the answer, and to get that, Rattler had to make some better decisions and receivers need to make some catches.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Believe me, I would love it if we could just line it up and run the ball down an opponent's throat, but this team just doesn't have that type of talent anywhere on the team.

 

[Lurker123]

We are 7 games in, so I assume we must accept that our offensive approach is not changing this season (or likely as long as Satterfield is here).

It seems obvious to most people that we have the most success when we commit to the run. The only two real offensive drives we had last night that ended in TDs were based on the run. And, really, when we commit to Marshawn. We probably don’t score that last TD if he doesn’t come back in the game. The drive was stalling out until he came in and promptly scored a TD.

I just don’t known what else Satterfield needs to see. Maybe it’s that he wants the offense to have success some other way than the way we’re having success.

Heard acouple guys on the radio discussing this before the game.

"Just run the ball" was repeated about 20 times, and "keep the ball out of Rattler's hands" was a close second. (And yes, we all know rattler has to hand it off)

It appears they were 100% correct.

Edit: Just looked it up and was surprised. Through 7 games, did you know that Rattler has 5 td's and 8 int's? He either is not a fit for the "system" or he's just not that good.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We can't just "commit to the run", even with a good offensive line, which we don't have. Especially in a defensive league like the SEC. We aren't Bama in the good ole days. Balance is the answer, and to get that, Rattler had to make some better decisions and receivers need to make some catches.

However you want to slice it, our best offensive success has come with the run.

 

[Prestonyte]

However you want to slice it, our best offensive success has come with the run.

Agree, and Rattler has to be more elusive when running/scrambling. Doty is much better in that respect.

 

[WontSayMuch]

Offense looked good (probably at it's best) last year against UNC in the bowl game. If we're bent on keeping Rattler at qb, why not give Joyner 3-4 planned series per half? Maybe a couple in the first quarter to jump start the slow starts. You don't have to bench Rattler, just a few zone reads and easy passes to give our defense a break early.

 

[WingchunCock]

Offense looked good (probably at it's best) last year against UNC in the bowl game. If we're bent on keeping Rattler at qb, why not give Joyner 3-4 planned series per half? Maybe a couple in the first quarter to jump start the slow starts. You don't have to bench Rattler, just a few zone reads and easy passes to give our defense a break early.

If we were to give Joyner 3-4 series per half he would be our starting QB. I would like to see a mix of Rattler and Doty throughout the game.

 

[Guy in the Back]

We have to “commit” to the run. It keeps folks honest. I have been on our OL for much of the year. However, pass pro has gotten much better. It isn’t a coincidence that it coincides with us running the ball better.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

However you want to slice it, our best offensive success has come with the run.

Yeah, take away the threat of the pass, and see what happens, especially against SEC teams.

We ran the ball 35 times last night. Threw it 25 times.
We average 3.4 yards a run. 6.7 yards per pass attempt.

Success passing sets up the run, and vice versa. We are not talented enough to just line up and say we are going to run the ball down throat of most teams we play. That's just reality. We need balance. Blocking has to be better, and receivers have to make a play when the ball hits them right in the hands.

 

[Lurker123]

Yeah, take away the threat of the pass, and see what happens, especially against SEC teams.

Committing to the run does not mean abandoning the passing game, unless someone is just looking for reasons to argue.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And we need to get a few f'king calls too. That 14th ranked TAMU passing defense got a lot of leeway last night.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Committing to the run does not mean abandoning the passing game, unless someone is just looking for reasons to argue.

We are already "committing to the run". We run it more than we pass it now.

 

[Lurker123]

And we need to get a few f'king calls too. That 14th ranked TAMU passing defense got a lot of leeway last night.

Okay, but I think that is independent of us becoming run first vs something else.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Okay, but I think that is independent of us becoming run first vs something else.

We were run first last night. 35 rushing attempts vs 25 passing attempts.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

How many more times do you think we need? Remember, 50 more yards of offense came from passing last night.

 

[Lurker123]

We were run first last night. 35 rushing attempts vs 25 passing attempts.

Does run more equate to run first?

Nevermind, it's obvious you just want to argue.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Does run more equate to run first?

Nevermind, it's obvious you just want to argue.

So, what do you want to do? Run the ball of first down every time?

Defenses will NEVER figure that out. LOL

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Unless you are a dominant team that is loaded with talent on the oline and at RB, balance is the only answer.

 

[Lurker123]

So, what do you want to do? Run the ball of first down every time?

Defenses will NEVER figure that out. LOL

It's like your purposely misunderstanding in order to continue arguing. Do you honestly believe committing to the run means running on every first down? Because I doubt anyone really believes that.

What I'll point out was the first (or second) turnover where we went for three straight passes in the red zone and settled for a FG. Imho, that was a time to go to our strength, not away from it.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

It's like your purposely misunderstanding in order to continue arguing. Do you honestly believe committing to the run means running on every first down? Because I doubt anyone really believes that.

What I'll point out was the first (or second) turnover where we went for three straight passes in the red zone and settled for a FG. Imho, that was a time to go to our strength, not away from it.

Running the ball when we are expected to run the ball is not our strength. Usually ends poorly against good teams.

 

[WingchunCock]

It's like your purposely misunderstanding in order to continue arguing. Do you honestly believe committing to the run means running on every first down? Because I doubt anyone really believes that.

What I'll point out was the first (or second) turnover where we went for three straight passes in the red zone and settled for a FG. Imho, that was a time to go to our strength, not away from it.

At least one play should have been a run. My guess is Satterfield was hoping to help Rattler get off to a good start.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

At least one play should have been a run. My guess is Satterfield was hoping to help Rattler get off to a good start.

I think that is fair. People seem to believe we have this imaginary strength in the running game. "It's our strength". BS. Despite running the ball more, only 38% of our yards have been from rushing. Factor out the cupcakes, and that drops to 31%.

We need more passing, but with better blocking and receivers gotta make easy plays. If that happens, expect the running game to open up and take off.

 

[FightinRooster]

Heard acouple guys on the radio discussing this before the game.

"Just run the ball" was repeated about 20 times, and "keep the ball out of Rattler's hands" was a close second. (And yes, we all know rattler has to hand it off)

It appears they were 100% correct.

Edit: Just looked it up and was surprised. Through 7 games, did you know that Rattler has 5 td's and 8 int's? He either is not a fit for the "system" or he's just not that good.

“ He either is not a fit for the ”system” or he’s just not that good”.

This^

 

[Lurker123]

At least one play should have been a run. My guess is Satterfield was hoping to help Rattler get off to a good start.

It might be trying to help rattler, but imo, it's more of trying to outsmart the defense by doing the opposite of what they expect. Sometimes you outsmart yourself instead of just doing what needs to done.

 

[FightinRooster]

Is it the players or is it the offense? Could Satterfields offense be productive with different players? Could our players be more productive in a different offense? I’ve always liked the philosophy to tailor your offense around your players strengths. We’re still struggling after 7 games. I don’t see the offense improving that much really. We’ll have to lean on defense and ST.

 

[Lurker123]

Despite running the ball more, only 38% of our yards have been from rushing. Factor out the cupcakes, and that drops to 31%.

I was curious, so I looked up a team like Arkansas, that is committed to running. They attempt 28 passes and 48 rushing attempts per game. (And their yards are a close to 50/50 split)

To me, this illustrates that even run heavy teams aren't going to get equal yardage out of the run game. I don't think that's a good expectation.

But in the end, if running behind Lloyd is not a strength, relying on Rattler is certainly not either. And if I have to pick one when the game is on the line, I think its an easy choice.

 

[Lurker123]

Is it the players or is it the offense? Could Satterfields offense be productive with different players? Could our players be more productive in a different offense? I’ve always liked the philosophy to tailor your offense around your players strengths. We’re still struggling after 7 games. I don’t see the offense improving that much really. We’ll have to lean on defense and ST.

This is a good question. I do know that the offense is still in the 80's with a healthy Lloyd and rattler vs last year when it was over 100.

Is that a big enough leap for the improvement in talent?

 

[18IsTheMan]

And we need to get a few f'king calls too. That 14th ranked TAMU passing defense got a lot of leeway last night.

We definitely got robbed on the pass interference flag that was picked up.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think that is fair. People seem to believe we have this imaginary strength in the running game. "It's our strength". BS. Despite running the ball more, only 38% of our yards have been from rushing. Factor out the cupcakes, and that drops to 31%.

We need more passing, but with better blocking and receivers gotta make easy plays. If that happens, expect the running game to open up and take off.

When we have had success, it has been on drives that featured the run. We only had 2 real offensive drives last night that ended in points and both had more run than our drives that didn’t.

 

[vacock]

Pain.

SCMF

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

We definitely got robbed on the pass interference flag that was picked up.

It was more than that one play. They were holding the TE all night across the middle. But they sure didn't miss it when our secondary did it.

 

[FightinRooster]

This is a good question. I do know that the offense is still in the 80's with a healthy Lloyd and rattler vs last year when it was over 100.

Is that a big enough leap for the improvement in talent?

IMO…..no.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

When we have had success, it has been on drives that featured the run. We only had 2 real offensive drives last night that ended in points and both had more run than our drives that didn’t.

Both had 20+ yard pass plays in them too. It's not just the run. You need success in the pass game to set it up.

 

[Maccmaine12]

We can't just "commit to the run", even with a good offensive line, which we don't have. Especially in a defensive league like the SEC. We aren't Bama in the good ole days. Balance is the answer, and to get that, Rattler had to make some better decisions and receivers need to make some catches.

Think Spencer put the ball on the money last night, the wideouts have to start making those easy catches. Brooks dropped two easy passes that was in his hand. The first one was a TD.

 

[Lurker123]

Both had 20+ yard pass plays in them too. It's not just the run. You need success in the pass game to set it up.

There is also the notion that the run can set up the pass.

And committing to the run does not have to mean abandoning the pass. I agree with balance, but I like working to your strengths more.

 

[Cackmandu]

Good thread guys, my question is why with virtually the same oline are we worse running the ball compared to last year? Were the running backs that much better? Juju had a much better year last year, there is no room to run, its like our oline has regressed!

 

[Viennacock]

Does run more equate to run first?

Nevermind, it's obvious you just want to argue.

Run first means we start the game by establishing the run. We threw the ball on the first three plays from the 5 yard line. That is not a run first mentality. Sorry that you are confused what run first means. It doesn't mean that you run the ball because you have tried passing w/o success.

 

[Lurker123]

Run first means we start the game by establishing the run. We threw the ball on the first three plays from the 5 yard line. That is not a run first mentality. Sorry that you are confused what run first means. It doesn't mean that you run the ball because you have tried passing w/o success.

You misunderstood, because i was not clear in that post. I am proposing we establish and commit to the run.

I was posing a question to the poster because there seemed to be different ideas about what "committing to the run" meant. And I felt that confusion was intentional in order to argue.

 

[Viennacock]

You misunderstood, because i was not clear in that post. I am proposing we establish and commit to the run.

I was posing a question to the poster because there seemed to be different ideas about what "committing to the run" meant. And I felt that confusion was intentional in order to argue.

Gotcha. My apologies!