Official PSU - Oregon '24 B1G Championship game thread
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Also - what happened to Rojas? He had the face mask penalty (I think) but I don’t recall seeing him at all after that.
From experience watching him, if you look about a yard away from where the play is happening you’ll see him.
I didn’t see a full replay from the line of scrimmage, but the receiver looked like he was double covered and Drew tried to force it. This wasn’t desperation time, Drew should have threw it out of bounds.
Someone needs to take that analytic sheet n shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Had PSU actually scored on that last possession they would have had to gotten the 2pt conversion just to tie the game. Makes no sense to try the 2 when they did with an entire quarter of Football to play.
if you're trying to win the game it makes perfect sense-if you make it, a TD and extra point wins it (assuming they don't score again) if you don't make it, you can tie with a successful 2 pt try at the end
if you're just trying to get into OT then no, kick the extra point
I think we were trying to win the game- it was worth the risk
Analytics is simply somebody's idea of trying reinvent the wheel. It doesn't replace sound, fundamental football decisions made by good, winning football coaches.
You can kick the extra point first, letting you make the decision later.
Kicking first, going for two later is statistically the same as going for two first, kicking second so what’s the point?
On the other hand, going for two and missing on the first TD puts a team at higher risk of not winning.
The whole point is that it's not. Going for first after the 2nd one, and you lose the game if you miss it (assuming there is just one more score). Going for first after the first one, and you've got the chance to hit the two pointer on the 2nd one to send it to overtime. If you're going to go for 2 after one of them, the first one is the obvious choice since it opens up another path to winning (hence why it takes it from a 50/50 chance to a 62/38 chance).
Oregon was in control of that game from start to finish. Penn State competed valiantly. They deserve credit for that on offense. The defense played poorly. Thankfully, not many teams can do what Oregon did on offense.
UO was the last team you want to score on opening drives, been a problem all year, BS needs to stop.
I'm a musician. Analytics reminds me of some musicians using their music iPad instead of hard copy sheet music. I don't know how many times I witness these musicians trying to 'turn' the page snd the iPad malfunctions and while the rest of us are playing they are trying to get the doggone thing to work. Sometimes old school is better.
Just got back from New York., but did watch the game from the hotel room. If ever there were a game that I thought might be fixed, this was the one. Though not as significant as some of the other bad calls, the completed pass, first ruled as a catch and then mysteriously overturned without review, was beyond belief. I actually started to wonder who was getting paid off. Friend of mine called me on our drive back to Pittsburgh this afternoon. He lives in New Mexico now. He was on social media sites from areas in the Southwest and Southeast and was amazed at how many posts made note of how Penn
If by chance these two teams meet again in the playoffs and there is fair officiating, the better team wins. Penn State.
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The most bizarre non-call i thought was our DL having an Oregon OL riding is fricking back and there not being a flag. He made an incredible play, but the lack of a flag was officiating incompetence 101. NO excuse on that play for no flag
Prior to this year, i don't recall this crew doing PSU games. If they have someone can mention to which ones they did.
They don't look familiar to me.
But you still have to go for two either way. Do you believe the chances of successfully completing a two point conversion are better after the first TD than it is the second TD?
The thing about analytics is - and this is a great quote - you have to marry them, not date them. You have to be consistent in your use of them for them to matter. So - if you’re being aggressive enough to go for two when Franklin did, why not go for it on fourth down instead of kicking a field goal (that we ultimately missed)? Picking and choosing sort of invalidates their usefulness.
Interesting point. The issue I have with analytics is that they can't include the 'feel' of the game. I've spent time on the sidelines of many high school games. In the heat of a game you get a feel for the game.....a feel for momentum.....the emotion of the game. I believe the experiencing the emotions of a game is vital for making decisions. I will give Franklin some latitude, that maybe at that moment of the game the momentum and charged emotion was in our favor. Being on that sideline, those you can cut those feelings with a knife. I just felt it was too early in the game to go for the 2 points.
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Your post and analogy literally have nothing to do with this conversation. It's used in every sport to break down trends and to supply your team with the most knowledge it can have on an opponent and in game situations. It's not the end all and coaches sometimes do ignore it and the only time these type of comments come up are after a failed play or a loss which would happen with or without analytics.
Sometimes people that don't like progress or change will fight it without a real understanding of what they are talking about. If any coach out there right now isn't using analytics....he won't be coaching very long as they will get wrecked by teams that get the data, analyze the data, and use the trends to game plan and make decisions. It's like being a MLB palyer in 2024 and not using pitch charts or self scouting on an opponent's pitcher. That is a better analogy then flipping sheet music.
No idea where that quote came from, but it's not really correct. Following some analytics would still be better than following no analytics (in all sports). Nothing invalidates their usefulness.
"Feel"...reminds me of how people will talk about using feel at the blackjack table or the roulette table and think that it's more important than basic math. Sure, there might be some small role that momentum can play, but it's rarely outweighs the math on some of these awful decisions that coaches make (and really, just make because that's what coaches have always done, and they are scared of charting a new course).
Guessing we'll hear it for a 14th time this season in two weeks (and 15th if including the team you were rooting for in the Blue/White game).Hmmm, where have I heard this before?
Point taken. I'm not a change denier. I'm always seeking better ways to do things. My analogy is basically pointing out that something new or different isn't necessarily better.
I agree, but in this case getting and using analytics is way better than not doing it. It's not close.
One bit of good news is that The BIG Ten officials will not be doing the SMU (SEC) or the Fiesta Bowl games. I'll take that. Can't possibly be any worse. Now, should Penn State get matched up against another Big Ten team down the line, you can bet we'll see Big Ten officials again. That will be a problem.
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The odds that some of our fans complain that the refs are biased against us is right around 100%. Fans of every SEC team will tell you that their refs are terrible, and they are out to get their team. I think the last time we saw SEC refs was the Auburn game at home...and our fans thought they were terrible (who can forget the 3rd down punt).
Thankfully, the odds that the announcers hate us is only about 99.5%.
Not sure how anyone could have watched this game and honestly think that the officiating was not slanted.
That was my thought as well, that chunk plays are great but you really have to score a touchdown with almost no time left. Picking up 7-12 yards running the ball or staying in bounds would have been the best path. It looked like "if our #1 WR gets single coverage, go for it". He wasn't exactly open, and it wasn't exactly a mismatch. It was an understandable call, hardly stupid, but I didn't like it.
Didn't much like that call either, but he would have been open had he not had the defender holding onto his jersey. Of course, no call made. Par for the coarse in this game. Can't even count how many times Joey Porter was called for that same sort of thing, both with Penn State and now the Steelers.
The Omari Evans "incompletion" was egregious. The holdings and pass interference subjective non-calls were questionable, but to call a clear catch incomplete and then not review it in those circumstances was really sketchy and incompetent at best.
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