How about lying to a judge? That’s what good ole Watson did. An innocent man don’t have to lie. I’ll leave it at that. Tons of evidence and he will lose a ton of money and 12-15 games. Don’t worry I won’t tell you I told you so.
Ok so what do you think Watson gets???
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Houston PD Detective Testified She Believes Watson Committed Crimes, per Report - Sports Illustrated
The Browns quarterback has denied all allegations against him, and two Texas grand juries declined to indict him on criminal charges.www.si.com
Deshaun Watson suspension: Examining NFL process and precedent - Sports Illustrated
Our Business of Football columnist analyzes the factors that influenced Sue L. Robinson’s decision on the Browns’ quarterback.
Is this where I make a snide comment about not needing judges and juries because you can just decide who is guilty?
Seriously though, you may think hes guilty, and thats fine, but he wasnt even given a trial, much less convicted.
I know, because you have all the pertinent evidence….I hear ya boss. Why didn’t they elect you commissioner???
What you Fail to understand is that a prosecutor is not the jury and the judge. Two grand juries hold significantly more weight than she does.
I don’t have to have all the evidence. I believe in the justice system. I unlike you also believe in innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. That use to be an American principle that we were proud to have. Now people like you feel you and the media should be the judge jury and executioner. Sorry bud that’s just now how it works and shouldn’t. In my opinion he should get ZERO games suspension. Mainly because the evidence does not line up.
I hear ya, I don’t personally care for Watson nor do I KNOW if he’s guilty or not. Evidence is overwhelming however. A retired fed judge and the sheriffs Dept seem to all agree that Watson has not been truthful and the kid is a sexual predator. There are many, many reasons that the prosecutor didn’t want to indict with a grand jury, don’t be a simpleton and think just because there was no indictment that he is automatically innocent. But I guess I’ve followed this more closely than some, so I don’t know your level of judicial intelligence. Let’s say agree to disagree and I hope you have a great day
I have followed this very closely. I would love to know what this mountain of evidence is you speak of. The only thing I have seen is he said she said along with some circumstantial stuff that likely would never make it in to court. All of which the grand juries saw. You do realize the Nfl chose the best 4 cases and the 4th case basically admitted she lied to her sister. It was thrown out for that.
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Grand juries “see” what a prosecutor provides them. Again, this isn’t anything personal between me and Derek, however you have to be big enough to understand why a prosecutor would WANT NO PART OF RHIS KIND OF CASE. And if they didn’t, ask yourself why. And once you come to that, is it plausible that a prosecutor can deal to the grand jury a case that they hope don’t get taken up…..but it would be such a hard case to try in criminal court. Maybe you need to step outside the box and look at the game more closely.
Look at how the Paul Pelosi and Hunter Biden cases have been handled compared to Jan 6th cases. Prosecutors have much influence in how cases are pursued and presented. They feel the pressure and respond accordingly.
Thank you man, I was beginning to think I wasn’t explaining it effectively. Basically at the root….. prosecutors know a winning and losing court case when they see one. Prosecutors like anyone don’t like to have losses on their resume.she KNEW IT BOILED DOWN TO…as far as criminal charges that it’s a he said she said and would be difficult to impossible to PROVE. So she did what we all would do. She made her problem go away! Big time personas like Watson with unlimited resources would have ate her alive in the court of law. That’s what many in here are not getting. So I believe he’s guilty? Sure. Do I believe he’s got a fetish? Sure. Is he a rapist? Doubt it. Did some of these meaaage ladies jump on the bandwagon? Probably. Sheriffs in the case, the nfl, and Sue Robinson all agree. And let that sink in for a min….THEY ALL AGREE…. That this guy did what some of these ladies said he did, he was shady in the process, lied to the judge and the nfl, so that alone, also with the sheer numbers of accusations gives the nfl no wiggle room. Also the climate in which we live today…. He was a dead man walking, and the conduct policy in the nfl will end up getting him. 12-15 games. Again I don’t know Derek from Adam…. I do hate Clemson and how he made that team relevant, but the guy is a shady predator and this is unprecedented even for the National felons league.
Okay, so the contention is that it was an unwinnable case, so the DA "made it go away". I would suppose the unwinnable case makes it difficult to simply label him guilty then.
I'm left with the notion still that he's floating between the guilty and innocent lines, and his punishment should not be on assumed guilt.
And not to defend him, but him sleazily hitting on his massagers doesn't really rise to the level of " unprecedented, even for the National Felons League". There's been some pretty bad stuff come out of the NFL.
Most call it sexual assault. I guess , and I’m just spitball in here that you would be against sexual assault for your mom? Maybe wife/gf or daughter? He is a sexual predator, if you want to be graphic he ejaculated on a woman’s chest and face and she didn’t ask for it. So…. Ok you see it your way and I see it mine. Again, he is labled, he will have to go to therapy, and he will miss 12-15 games and a severe hefty fine. Do with that info what you will.
Well, I can honestly say I was not aware of the ejaculating accusation. (I think there's a song there somewhere)
Creepy, gross, but still not "unprecedented" for the NFL. We're literally talking about murderers and rapists with that.
The point also stands about treating him as guilty if we are now arguing the case was unwinnable.
Allegedly, there is nothing at all to collaborate that. Believing someone just on words for career and legal punishment is dangerous. Would you believe him if he said the opposite happened and she assaulted him? No you wouldn’t.
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It's not just one accuser. He was obviously shopping around as he visited well over 50 different massage therapists. Why? Not normal behavior.
To me the number doesn’t matter without proof. You mean to tell me out of all these accusers no one has nothing. Not one shred of hard evidence.
The numbers is why I don't personally believe he's completely innocent.
But when it comes to punishment, I can't shake the idea that his case wasn't even strong enough to go to court.
Which is why I fall in the middle ground when it comes to my personal opinion on his punishment.
His behavior is decidedly "not normal" for sure. But so far there is not enough evidence that his behavior was criminal. But really, the illegality is somewhat meaningless here. The issue is did he violate the NFL personal conduct policy - which he definitely did. They wrote that thing so broad that it serves as a "catch all" for any "bad" behavior, illegal or not.
"All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid 'conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.'" That's the opening line, and it could be anything.
Another line from the policy: "Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players."
That pretty much sums up going to 50 different massage therapists and having them accuse you of being a weird predator.
Yeah, this is true. The NFL can bring the hammer even if he is not criminally guilty.
Too bad the ejaculatory victim didn't save her blouse. If so, we could have a repeat of the Lewinsky/Clinton blue dress impeachment trial thing.
Ok, your wife comes home and says her boss stuck his hand down her pants. Nobody saw it and it was just them
2 at work. So, by your way of thinking you better not be upset because it’s your wife’s word against her boss word and he says nothing happened. Oh well boys, nothing to see here. Come on dude you and I know better.
Dude you know how hard it is for 5 people to corroborate an incident? Try 30-40??? From the police to the judge, they ALL DESCRIBE THE SAME ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR!!! I’m not understanding what you are not getting?
Un winnable to the DA, in her opinion. Inwinnable to the extent that you have a nfl star with unlimited resources and lawyers. This case if it ever went to court could have taken years! She didn’t want that and Watson really should not have wanted that.
Once you get caught lying to DAs, law enforcement and a judge that sealed his fate with the nfl
I think you two are arguing two different things.
You're saying he should or shouldn't be upset, when he's talking about doling out punishments based on evidence, or lack of it.
No I’m saying he’s upset at Derek getting “punished” with no evidence in his opinion.
I’m sorry but 24 people can get the same story straight when they have had prior access to the same lawyer. Especially before the news even breaks. Come on man, you can’t be that naive. The police didn’t get involved until after the lawyer.
But I will also bite. What happens if the same said wife was passed up for a promotion for good reasons and decides to lie about the boss jamming his hand in her pants? Where is his equal protection. What I’m seeing is you are saying always believe the woman.
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No no no, I didn’t say that and never will I always believe “the woman”. It’s a dirty world we live in and we individually have to wade through crap daily to try to get to the other side. That’s it my friend. I look at reality. You cannot, cannot get 30-40 people to corroborate a story and stick to it after getting questioned multiple times by multiple agencies. It don’t happen bud, you couldn’t get your kids and wife and mom to tell the same story correctly 10 times. You know this. And it comes down to believability… it came down to certain acts and certain serial behavior. It also came down in my opinion to lies also. So, I believe the kid is a horn dog, I believe he likes the game of taking a message to another level. He knows who he is, he got drunk on fame and fortune and is JUST ANOTHER CAUTIONARY TALE. Hope he gets his life right, and I’m saying this from a past which I’ve done things that I’m not proud. It is what it is.
I sat on the GRAND JURY in Charleston SC years ago for a 6 month term. We met for 2 days every month and averaged 400 potential indictments per day. We voted a true bill on almost everyone. We only got to hear the police version. We heard more stuff than i cared to hear but we did not indict all. i was one of the 12 GODS for the 6 months and while it was exciting to hear some of these charges, most of these were petty crimes for simple possession and other court clogging trash. I can say with out prejudice that since the GJ did indict Dabos boy toy it was only because they did not have the evidence to do so.
Now, you litttle boys can go back to arguing about chit you have zero clue of but think you have the big boy pants on….good day.
Now, you litttle boys can go back to arguing about chit you have zero clue of but think you have the big boy pants on….good day.
Not saying I would approve his behavior, but in these days and times if there was one centilla of evidence of sexual assault he would have been charged long ago. This is nothing but a money grab
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