Ok so what do you think Watson gets???

[Americanbulldog]

I’m sorry but 24 people can get the same story straight when they have had prior access to the same lawyer. Especially before the news even breaks. Come on man, you can’t be that naive. The police didn’t get involved until after the lawyer.

But I will also bite. What happens if the same said wife was passed up for a promotion for good reasons and decides to lie about the boss jamming his hand in her pants? Where is his equal protection. What I’m seeing is you are saying always believe the woman.

Roger Goodell: Deshaun Watson committed “multiple violations” with “egregious” and “predatory behavior”

Yep, the NFL will be throwing the book at Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson. On Tuesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell met with reporters in connection with the meeting held specifically for approving the sale of the Broncos. Goodell, who appointed Peter Harvey to handle the appeal of the six-game...

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[Lurker123]

I sat on the GRAND JURY in Charleston SC years ago for a 6 month term. We met for 2 days every month and averaged 400 potential indictments per day. We voted a true bill on almost everyone. We only got to hear the police version. We heard more stuff than i cared to hear but we did not indict all. i was one of the 12 GODS for the 6 months and while it was exciting to hear some of these charges, most of these were petty crimes for simple possession and other court clogging trash. I can say with out prejudice that since the GJ did indict Dabos boy toy it was only because they did not have the evidence to do so.

Now, you litttle boys can go back to arguing about chit you have zero clue of but think you have the big boy pants on….good day.

Funny, but true.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I sat on the GRAND JURY in Charleston SC years ago for a 6 month term. We met for 2 days every month and averaged 400 potential indictments per day. We voted a true bill on almost everyone. We only got to hear the police version. We heard more stuff than i cared to hear but we did not indict all. i was one of the 12 GODS for the 6 months and while it was exciting to hear some of these charges, most of these were petty crimes for simple possession and other court clogging trash. I can say with out prejudice that since the GJ did indict Dabos boy toy it was only because they did not have the evidence to do so.

Now, you litttle boys can go back to arguing about chit you have zero clue of but think you have the big boy pants on….good day.

I have pretty much ignored his theory on the DA for this reason.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Roger Goodell: Deshaun Watson committed “multiple violations” with “egregious” and “predatory behavior”

Yep, the NFL will be throwing the book at Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson. On Tuesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell met with reporters in connection with the meeting held specifically for approving the sale of the Broncos. Goodell, who appointed Peter Harvey to handle the appeal of the six-game...

www.yahoo.com

You can post opinions all you want. It changes nothing. Also funny he believes he so guilty but wasn’t willing to rule.

 

[Americanbulldog]

I have pretty much ignored his theory on the DA for this reason.

You got the evidence the DA chose to give you, are you intelligent

 

[Americanbulldog]

You can post opinions all you want. It changes nothing. Also funny he believes he so guilty but wasn’t willing to rule.

Ok cool, don’t say I told you so when Derek gets 12-15 games and about 15-20 mill fine…..oh and nfl ordered counseling. Have a great day

 

[Americanbulldog]

You can post opinions all you want. It changes nothing. Also funny he believes he so guilty but wasn’t willing to rule.

Not saying I would approve his behavior, but in these days and times if there was one centilla of evidence of sexual assault he would have been charged long ago. This is nothing but a money grab

Well, if that’s true they got his money, his lawyer got his money, the nfl bout to get his money, oh and he can cry about it on nfl ordered counseling…. So I guess there’s that.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Ok cool, don’t say I told you so when Derek gets 12-15 games and about 15-20 mill fine…..oh and nfl ordered counseling. Have a great day

I’ll take that bet. As an over under.

 

[ToddFlanders]

So Watson is scheduled to start the Brown’s preseason game on Friday. I guess the suspension only covers regular season games. If the NFL comes back with a full regular season ban, do the Browns still start him in the preseason to thumb their noses at the league?

 

[Yard_Pimps]

No if he’s banned for the year than that includes preseason games. At that point they will likely file for an injunction is to allow him to play while it’s settle in court.

 

[Americanbulldog]

So Watson is scheduled to start the Brown’s preseason game on Friday. I guess the suspension only covers regular season games. If the NFL comes back with a full regular season ban, do the Browns still start him in the preseason to thumb their noses at the league?

He won’t play in preseason. He’s looking at a full season most likely. 20-25 mill fine and court ordered therapy. Browns ain’t thumbing nothing cuz

 

[Americanbulldog]

No if he’s banned for the year than that includes preseason games. At that point they will likely file for an injunction is to allow him to play while it’s settle in court.

He won’t play at all. Y’all need to get that through your head. The PA don’t have a leg to stand on. I’m taking bets now

 

[Americanbulldog]

Man, this thing is so rigged. Now the NFL is appealing the INDEPENDENT, female judge's decision. They apparently want an indefinite ban (of at least a year) and a monetary fine. Here's the kicker, the NFL (i.e. Roger Goodell) is appealing the decision. Guess who gets to hear the appeal? Whoever Roger Goodell chooses OR...and this is rich...Goodell can hear the appeal himself. Two separate grand juries declined to bring charges. An independent former federal judge, who happens to be a female, decided 6 games was an adequate suspension. But Goodell can't let it go.

So the whole independent judge thing was just a sham. In the end, the NFL (i.e Goodell) can just hand out whatever punishment he wants.

Players assoc signed off on it!

 

[Americanbulldog]

Won’t stop them from suing. If goodell suspends him for longer they will sue in federal court.

They won’t sue!

 

[Lurker123]

No if he’s banned for the year than that includes preseason games. At that point they will likely file for an injunction is to allow him to play while it’s settle in court.

I thought the ban was only regular season games. But I'm remembering that Dallas rb (I think) whose suspension was only 6 games.

If it's a partial season suspension, I think he still could play in the preseason games.

 

[Americanbulldog]

It's reported that Watson and the NFLPA will sue the NFL in federal court if he is suspended for the season. And Watson would likely win. Two separate grand juries have looked at ALL the evidence (the vast majority of which the NFL has no idea about) and declined to bring charges. The NFL would have a tough task to show why they know more than 2 separate grand juries.

We bout to find out how big of a task it is!

 

[HillsToSea]

Nobody has pointed out the difference between how Watsons and Krafts ( patriots owner) situations were handled. Kraft seemed to slide by.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

They won’t sue!

That is your opinion. Numerous reports of people better connected than you say otherwise.

 

[Prestonyte]

It's reported that Watson and the NFLPA will sue the NFL in federal court if he is suspended for the season. And Watson would likely win. Two separate grand juries have looked at ALL the evidence (the vast majority of which the NFL has no idea about) and declined to bring charges. The NFL would have a tough task to show why they know more than 2 separate grand juries.

Today's dual justice system is all about the will to prosecute, or not, depending on political and constituent pressures and less about guilt or innocence. The NFL is looking to defend their reputation of not condoning predatory behavior against women and they have the leverage in their contracts to do so. That's not to say the NFL is not acting on political pressure, because they are.

 

[Americanbulldog]

The Full Sue Robinson Decision & Summary of Her Reasoning on Deshaun Watson Suspension - LEAGUE OF JUSTICE

Here is the full Sue Robinson decision on why she chose to suspend Deshaun Watson six games

leagueofjustice.com

That is your opinion. Numerous reports of people better connected than you say otherwise.

guess we will see.

 

[Americanbulldog]

Today's dual justice system is all about the will to prosecute, or not, depending on political and constituent pressures and less about guilt or innocence. The NFL is looking to defend their reputation of not condoning predatory behavior against women and they have the leverage in their contracts to do so. That's not to say the NFL is not acting on political pressure, because they are.

Totally agree with this sentiment

 

[ToddFlanders]

Nobody has pointed out the difference between how Watsons and Krafts ( patriots owner) situations were handled. Kraft seemed to slide by.

I think one difference is the consent of the workers. Still illegal, but not predatory. Now they have no consent if they were trafficked there, but that didn't really come out I don't think.

However, the big difference is that the "NFL" works for the owners. They are the NFL - the league is basically just their representation arm. It's a lot harder to penalize an owner than a worker.

 

[HillsToSea]

I think one difference is the consent of the workers. Still illegal, but not predatory. Now they have no consent if they were trafficked there, but that didn't really come out I don't think.

However, the big difference is that the "NFL" works for the owners. They are the NFL - the league is basically just their representation arm. It's a lot harder to penalize an owner than a worker.

Your last paragraph

 

[Americanbulldog]

No, two grand juries refused to indict. And that's way bigger than a DA not wanting to take on a case.

With grand juries, the prosecutors get to show them all the available evidence under the sun (even if it would not be admissible in court). They usually have direct testimony from some of the accusers as well. Then, you only need a majority of the jurors (not unanimous) that believe that there is "probable cause" (not beyond a reasonable doubt) that a crime occurred.

I'm not saying he's innocent, but if you can't meet that standard of proof, then what can be proven? He's been out a year already based on accusations alone. The fact that a court (civil or criminal) will never hear this case, then what is the NFL going to go off of?

This isn’t aging well TF

 

[Americanbulldog]

I'm not saying I'm a genius, but if the shoe fits....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...6-games-violating-nfl-personal-conduct-policy

Yeah, you are not a genius… sorry snoop

 

[Yard_Pimps]

This isn’t aging well TF

You truly are delusional. I’m going to laugh like hell when he’s not even suspended for the year.

 

[ToddFlanders]

This isn’t aging well TF

How so? Is he about to be prosecuted or lose a civil court case?

 

[Americanbulldog]

How so? Is he about to be prosecuted or lose a civil court case?

It’s coming brotha. Gone for a year and hefty fine .

 

[Americanbulldog]

You truly are delusional. I’m going to laugh like hell when he’s not even suspended for the year.

Well at least I don’t have to worry about you laughing, look cuz, Watson is done! You hear me??? Done! Ever heard the saying “we got to make an example out of someone”. Well guess what, watson is about to be that example. So… I’m not so sure why you are hell bent on battling on here, unless your name is Derek……or Ms watson. Lol

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Well at least I don’t have to worry about you laughing, look cuz, Watson is done! You hear me??? Done! Ever heard the saying “we got to make an example out of someone”. Well guess what, watson is about to be that example. So… I’m not so sure why you are hell bent on battling on here, unless your name is Derek……or Ms watson. Lol

Because While I believe woman should get justice, I also believe that A men should also be protected from false claims, B I don’t believe in caving to media or public opinion. Both of those are happening here.

 

[Lurker123]

Because While I believe woman should get justice, I also believe that A men should also be protected from false claims, B I don’t believe in caving to media or public opinion. Both of those are happening here.

These are good intentions, but public opinion, unfortunately, outweighs them.

I figure in the end, he gets somewhere between a full year and the 6 games already mentioned.

 

[ToddFlanders]

It’s coming brotha. Gone for a year and hefty fine .

Perhaps. But that’s just Goodell going rogue and not based on an objective look at the evidence (or lack thereof) and previous penalties handed down by the NFL. A judge already did that and handed down six games - because that’s what’s warranted with the fact pattern.

The whole reason they had a judge look at it in the first place is that Goodell shoots from the hip on suspensions and it always makes the NFL look stupid because of the nonsensical number of games given out. They’ll look just as stupid here if they give out a season with no evidence - which there still is none of any consequence.

 

[Prestonyte]

Perhaps. But that’s just Goodell going rogue and not based on an objective look at the evidence (or lack thereof) and previous penalties handed down by the NFL. A judge already did that and handed down six games - because that’s what’s warranted with the fact pattern.

The whole reason they had a judge look at it in the first place is that Goodell shoots from the hip on suspensions and it always makes the NFL look stupid because of the nonsensical number of games given out. They’ll look just as stupid here if they give out a season with no evidence - which there still is none of any consequence.

If you were Goodell what would you do?
His job is to protect the NFL. Go too soft and you give the appearance of condoning a sexual predator of women. In addition, you also set an example/precedent that others can follow Watson's behavior and also get a similar light punishment and thus creating a bigger problem for the NFL. My choice would be to make a statement with my penalty and let it be known the NFL will not tolerate this type of behavior. Hopefully it makes Watson a better man in the process and he makes better choices in the future.

 

[Americanbulldog]

Perhaps. But that’s just Goodell going rogue and not based on an objective look at the evidence (or lack thereof) and previous penalties handed down by the NFL. A judge already did that and handed down six games - because that’s what’s warranted with the fact pattern.

The whole reason they had a judge look at it in the first place is that Goodell shoots from the hip on suspensions and it always makes the NFL look stupid because of the nonsensical number of games given out. They’ll look just as stupid here if they give out a season with no evidence - which there still is none of any consequence.

You keep saying no evidence. Have you physically read all the reports? About the wjaculation, about even 3 party supporters at the time talking about constant erections.??? About how they texted other people saying how weird it was.?? Again, the timing was important because this was way prior to him having legal issues. Then he lies to the judge and nfl and said HE NEVER HAD ERECTIONS?? Also, he prefaced most of his Instagram posts looking for messages by saying he was an nfl qb. That’s conduct unbecoming, using your star stays as an nfl qb. So much to unpack and I’m sure most of his supporters don’t want to hear all this. Oh well.

 

[Americanbulldog]

Because While I believe woman should get justice, I also believe that A men should also be protected from false claims, B I don’t believe in caving to media or public opinion. Both of those are happening here.

I believe men should be protected too, I am one, lol but serial predators have no place in the nfl or society for that matter. They have him dude, his social media, his erections, ejaculating on someone who didn’t want any part of it. Text messages is what’s killing him, now they are finding out just how bad it was. This is coming from some ladies who had told others about his weections and touching their hands and arms with his penis while they were doing messages. The nfl knows they are dealing with a predator and he will be dealt with accordingly

 

[Lurker123]

You keep saying no evidence. Have you physically read all the reports? About the wjaculation, about even 3 party supporters at the time talking about constant erections.??? About how they texted other people saying how weird it was.??

I believe when he says "no evidence" he is referring to the part where all the evidence is just the testimony of the women, and no actual physical evidence.

 

[ToddFlanders]

If you were Goodell what would you do?
His job is to protect the NFL. Go too soft and you give the appearance of condoning a sexual predator of women. In addition, you also set an example/precedent that others can follow Watson's behavior and also get a similar light punishment and thus creating a bigger problem for the NFL. My choice would be to make a statement with my penalty and let it be known the NFL will not tolerate this type of behavior. Hopefully it makes Watson a better man in the process and he makes better choices in the future.

I'd do exactly what he did. Put it in the hands of an impartial, yet capable, person's hands and then go with that. You aren't going to outrun this. If he's starting game 1 in 2023, you'll get the same press as he'll get starting game 7 in 2022. Just get it over with and move on. No one is going to boycott the NFL over this - he's already been out a year and as of now it's just accusations that will never become public in a court of law.

 

[ToddFlanders]

You keep saying no evidence. Have you physically read all the reports? About the wjaculation, about even 3 party supporters at the time talking about constant erections.??? About how they texted other people saying how weird it was.?? Again, the timing was important because this was way prior to him having legal issues. Then he lies to the judge and nfl and said HE NEVER HAD ERECTIONS?? Also, he prefaced most of his Instagram posts looking for messages by saying he was an nfl qb. That’s conduct unbecoming, using your star stays as an nfl qb. So much to unpack and I’m sure most of his supporters don’t want to hear all this. Oh well.

Hey, I get it. You don't like Watson. I'm not a fan either. But grand juries heard witness testimony (i.e., from the "victims") and came away not believing it. Big difference between leaking things to the press and sitting in a place where you can't lie or you'll go to jail.

 

[Prestonyte]

I'd do exactly what he did. Put it in the hands of an impartial, yet capable, person's hands and then go with that. You aren't going to outrun this. If he's starting game 1 in 2023, you'll get the same press as he'll get starting game 7 in 2022. Just get it over with and move on. No one is going to boycott the NFL over this - he's already been out a year and as of now it's just accusations that will never become public in a court of law.

You underestimate the outrage and havoc women's groups can impose on the NFL. Not going away so easily. Because of his behavior against 50+ women, Watson gets to be the example of how the NFL will treat players who are sexual predators to women.

 

[Americanbulldog]

I believe when he says "no evidence" he is referring to the part where all the evidence is just the testimony of the women, and no actual physical evidence.

They have evidence. It’s called the women that actually supported watson sent texts about erections and him touching their arms with his penis……..THIS WAS BEFORE THE HEAT! Then they got ahold of those texts and found deshaun had lied about a lot of things. It’s funny how people cling to a sinking ship.